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Clipse 02-20-2019 11:44 AM

On my list is the onkyo 676 and 686 and its competition is the x1400 and x1500.

Will be running klipsch RP-160 and 150s with probably a pb-2000.

What are, if any, real differences among these four?

Mainly gaming and movies, music is not a priority

Rgarc 02-20-2019 01:15 PM

I would go with the Denon 1400 since you can find great deals on those and its a firmware update away from being very similar to the 1500. Check prices in the deals stickie or check Amazon or Crutchfield.

afrogt 02-20-2019 01:19 PM

The Denon x1400 and x1500 only have a single HDMI out while those two Onkyos have dual HDMI out. Make sure that is okay for your setup.

Clipse 02-20-2019 01:58 PM

Beyond the dual hdmi anything else?

I can get pretty much all within like 50$ of each other

Rgarc 02-20-2019 02:55 PM

The onkyo 686 also has more analog inputs that the either of the Denon choices if you need any of those. The Onkyo has a better DAC than the Denons as well. Both Denon have or will have Airplay 2 compatibility while the Onkyo is limited to Airplay if Apple compatibility is a factor for you. Watts-wise the difference is minimal.

audionewb2 02-20-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rgarc (Post 57632784)
The onkyo 686 also has more analog inputs that the either of the Denon choices if you need any of those. The Onkyo has a better DAC than the Denons as well. Both Denon have or will have Airplay 2 compatibility while the Onkyo is limited to Airplay if Apple compatibility is a factor for you. Watts-wise the difference is minimal.

I believe those listed Denons use exactly the same DAC as the Onkyos, the Asahi Kasei AK4458. Maybe @jdsmoothie could corroborate that.

Clipse 02-20-2019 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by audionewb2 (Post 57632932)
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Originally Posted by Rgarc (Post 57632784)
The onkyo 686 also has more analog inputs that the either of the Denon choices if you need any of those. The Onkyo has a better DAC than the Denons as well. Both Denon have or will have Airplay 2 compatibility while the Onkyo is limited to Airplay if Apple compatibility is a factor for you. Watts-wise the difference is minimal.

I believe those listed Denons use exactly the same DAC as the Onkyos, the Asahi Kasei AK4458. Maybe @jdsmoothie could corroborate that.


Looks like both use same dac. The extra hdmi is a bonus. I'm just freaked out by all the onkyo hdmi issues and other stuff with onkyo but the denon seem to have its share of issues too

Rgarc 02-20-2019 04:37 PM

I may be wrong but Denon does indicate that the 1500's DAC is 192 kHz/32 Bit (1400 is 24 bit); while the Onkyo 686 boasts a 384 kHz/32-bit DAC. Was not able to find information as to which specific DAC model is being used in either case.

RKSKYDANCER 02-20-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clipse (Post 57633220)
Looks like both use same dac. The extra hdmi is a bonus. I'm just freaked out by all the onkyo hdmi issues and other stuff with onkyo but the denon seem to have its share of issues too

The Onkyo's have better DAC's then the Denon and as for the HDMI issues, that was a thing of the past. This is not a problem on current models so no need to be concerned with that.
Any brand receiver can have issues. Just stick with brand new (not refurbished) and buy from a authorized dealer like Crutchfield, Safe & sound inc, Frys, Best Buy or World wide stereo for good support.

I would go with the Onkyo TX-NR686 over the Denon's if it were me. Also look at the Sony STR-DN1080. On sale at crutchfield and has been choosen as one of the best budget AVR's for 2018.

Good luck with what ever you choose!

Clipse 02-21-2019 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Clipse (Post 57633220)
Looks The Onkyo's have better DAC's then the Denon and as for the HDMI issues, that was a thing of the past. This is not a problem on current models so no need to be concerned with that.
Any brand receiver can have issues. Just stick with brand new (not refurbished) and buy from a authorized dealer like Crutchfield, Safe & sound inc, Frys, Best Buy or World wide stereo for good support.

I would go with the Onkyo TX-NR686 over the Denon's if it were me. Also look at the Sony STR-DN1080. On sale at crutchfield and has been choosen as one of the best budget AVR's for 2018.

Good luck with what ever you choose!

I came across an open box x2400h in retail store for same price as the 686. Where does thst fall into the scheme of things

RKSKYDANCER 02-22-2019 05:57 PM

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I came across an open box x2400h in retail store for same price as the 686. Where does thst fall into the scheme of things

I would still take the Onkyo 686 over the Denon X2400x even if it was new! I wouldn't be interested in open box just like i would not buy a refurb unit.

I had a new Denon AVR-X3400h. Had it for about 9 months. Decent receiver but not impressive for my living room set up. My brother tried 2 refurb Denon's from A4less. Both were terrible units.

I own a Pioneer SC-LX502 now and it's very impressive. Onkyo makes Pioneer so there are many similarities. I was looking at the Onkyo TX-NR787 or TX-RZ730 before finding the deal i got on the Pioneer Elite.

It's really going to come down to what features you want. Do a comparison thru crutchfield on the models you like. Denon's are good receivers. i just think for $500.00 or less the Onkyo's are a better value.


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