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Denon AVR-X8500H vs. AVR-X6500H - What do I need?

I have been comparing Denon AVR-X8500H vs. AVR-X6500H, other than the 6500 being 11.2 and the 8500 being 13.2 they appear to be 98% equal across the board. The cost delta between the two is $1,800.


My HT room (dual purpose) is 19' wide at the screen side and about 23' deep of which I'm using about 18' for the HT area. My projector is a Sony 4K VPL-VW285ES and I'm shooting a 135" picture on the 19' wall. My media is a combination of 4K DVD, AT&T WiFi box, Pioneer DVL-909 Laserdisc, VHS and Amazon Firestick just to name a few. I will be using a Mini RCA to HDMI converter for the older equipment (Laserdisc & VHS). For now I'm using an older non-HDMI Sony AV Rec for sound and hot racking around my components via the Sony projector HDMI cable. Time to get all this tied into a single AV Rec system.


Given the area of 19' wide and 18' deep I think I'm ok with the following;


What I have
Center Spk (Klipsch RP-450C)
Front Spk L (Sansui XP-X9)
Front Spk R (Sansui XP-X9)
2 Sub Spk (Klipsch R125W)
Surround Rear Spk L (Sansui SP2000)
Surround Rear Spk R (Sansui SP2000)


** Sansui speakers will be swapped out with Klipsch Reference speakers at a later date**


What I want to add
4 Polk Audio V60 ceiling mount Atmos speakers


So adding all this up would give me a 5.2.4 (9.2) and if I added two side surround I'm still at 7.2.4 (11.2). I don't think I need the X8500 it appears the X6500 will fit my needs and the $1,800 in savings can be used for speakers.


Is my thought process on track here?


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I have been comparing Denon AVR-X8500H vs. AVR-X6500H, other than the 6500 being 11.2 and the 8500 being 13.2 they appear to be 98% equal across the board. The cost delta between the two is $1,800.


My HT room (dual purpose) is 19' wide at the screen side and about 23' deep of which I'm using about 18' for the HT area. My projector is a Sony 4K VPL-VW285ES and I'm shooting a 135" picture on the 19' wall. My media is a combination of 4K DVD, AT&T WiFi box, Pioneer DVL-909 Laserdisc, VHS and Amazon Firestick just to name a few. I will be using a Mini RCA to HDMI converter for the older equipment (Laserdisc & VHS). For now I'm using an older non-HDMI Sony AV Rec for sound and hot racking around my components via the Sony projector HDMI cable. Time to get all this tied into a single AV Rec system.


Given the area of 19' wide and 18' deep I think I'm ok with the following;


What I have
Center Spk (Klipsch RP-450C)
Front Spk L (Sansui XP-X9)
Front Spk R (Sansui XP-X9)
2 Sub Spk (Klipsch R125W)
Surround Rear Spk L (Sansui SP2000)
Surround Rear Spk R (Sansui SP2000)


** Sansui speakers will be swapped out with Klipsch Reference speakers at a later date**


What I want to add
4 Polk Audio V60 ceiling mount Atmos speakers


So adding all this up would give me a 5.2.4 (9.2) and if I added two side surround I'm still at 7.2.4 (11.2). I don't think I need the X8500 it appears the X6500 will fit my needs and the $1,800 in savings can be used for speakers.


Is my thought process on track here?


Thanks
Dennis
The X6500 should do what you want, so sure, why spend the extra money. Also, download the owners manuals and compare features. I'll tell you this - if you buy the X8500, you will be tempted to figure out how to add 2 more speakers. At least that's my experience !!
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I noticed that a online store is offering a refurbished AVR-X6500H for $300 less than new retail. Is a refurbished unit worth pursuing?

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I noticed that a online store is offering a refurbished AVR-X6500H for $300 less than new retail. Is a refurbished unit worth pursuing?
In my opinion, new with a full 3 year warranty is better. Maybe the refurb got fixed, or maybe it still has gremlins. Who knows. The hassle of sending in a receiver for repair isn't worth the difference in price to me YMMV.
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A few weeks ago I got a X6500H that I'm using only for ATMOS (movies) and it sounds great. For music still like Dirac Live better so I decided to kept my Emotiva XMC-1 for music. Just make sure you get an Aircom T10 to cool the Denon X6500H down as it gets pretty warm.
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A few weeks ago I got a X6500H that I'm using only for ATMOS (movies) and it sounds great. For music still like Dirac Live better so I decided to kept my Emotiva XMC-1 for music. Just make sure you get an Aircom T10 to cool the Denon X6500H down as it gets pretty warm.
The Aircom T10's rock ! i'm using 2 in my rack !
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A few weeks ago I got a X6500H that I'm using only for ATMOS (movies) and it sounds great. For music still like Dirac Live better so I decided to kept my Emotiva XMC-1 for music. Just make sure you get an Aircom T10 to cool the Denon X6500H down as it gets pretty warm.

Yes that is on my list to purchase this weekend when I place my order for the X6500H. I wish I could just walk into a store here in North AL and walk out with the Denon X6500H but that is a non starter around here.
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Not to derail anything, but the vintage speakers are cool. I replaced all the drivers and crossovers in my Pioneer CS-88s (front) and Realistic MC-1000 (rear). Same drivers in all so timbre matching is good. So, basically it's just the boxes....looks very cool IMO and cheaper than buying new speakers. Klipsch speakers are highly efficient however and are excellent sounding.

Having a cooler is almost a necessity for these new, packed AVRs IMO. I am a DIYer, and made my own cooling setup with 3 x 120mm fans. Automatically comes on and off with the AVR using a trigger.

The 6500h should be fine. (I thought you could run 13.2 with an external amp, but maybe I am wrong about that). At any rate, if it doesn't sound "full" enough with 11.2 channels, you can always do what I do...crank it up some more!
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Not to derail anything, but the vintage speakers are cool. I replaced all the drivers and crossovers in my Pioneer CS-88s (front) and Realistic MC-1000 (rear). Same drivers in all so timbre matching is good. So, basically it's just the boxes....looks very cool IMO and cheaper than buying new speakers. Klipsch speakers are highly efficient however and are excellent sounding.

Having a cooler is almost a necessity for these new, packed AVRs IMO. I am a DIYer, and made my own cooling setup with 3 x 120mm fans. Automatically comes on and off with the AVR using a trigger.

The 6500h should be fine. (I thought you could run 13.2 with an external amp, but maybe I am wrong about that). At any rate, if it doesn't sound "full" enough with 11.2 channels, you can always do what I do...crank it up some more!
No, rather the X6500H is limited to 11CH processing. Only the X8500H can do 13CH processing.
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No, rather the X6500H is limited to 11CH processing. Only the X8500H can do 13CH processing.
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In my opinion, new with a full 3 year warranty is better. Maybe the refurb got fixed, or maybe it still has gremlins. Who knows. The hassle of sending in a receiver for repair isn't worth the difference in price to me YMMV.
You should be able to get that off a new one. Who pays retail??? The retail in Canada for a X8500H is $5k. Should atleast get taxes(13% for us) in if you have a good relationship with your local dealer. I was able to get his demo model, full warranty for 30% off retail.
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The Aircom T10's rock ! i'm using 2 in my rack !
Have one on my X8500H. Leave it on Auto, Fan set to 1 bar. Temp sticks around 85-89oC during regular watching. Hits 91-92oC during movies.

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