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Does anyone know what mode Eco is on by default. On, Off or Auto?
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Does anyone know what mode Eco is on by default. On, Off or Auto?
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Does anyone know what mode Eco is on by default. On, Off or Auto?
As noted on p. 199 of the X1600H Owner's manual, ECO defaults to OFF. Take some time to review the manual.
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Yup. Dropped as part of Dolby's new Dolby Surround upmixer spec.
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Reading through old posts about center spread being dropped for the 3600. The Monolith HTP-1 has this feature and they were released about the same time. Can you elaborate on the new Dolby Surround upmixer spec? When did Dolby update it and what are the specific changes?
I believe the Monolith HTP-1 was released several months after the X3600H so it looks as if it's not a Dolby mandated spec revision but simply Sound United felt the need to omit the setting from 2019 models onward, I wander if the X8500HA with onboard 2.1 board will have the Center Spread setting as it might be deemed a 2021 model & not a X8500H 2018 unit which has retained the Center Spread feature.
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As noted on p. 199 of the X1600H Owner's manual, ECO defaults to OFF. Take some time to review the manual.


Should I bother turning it on, my volume is mostly at 50.5.
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Should I bother turning it on, my volume is mostly at 50.5.
I have turned to the dark side and use Eco Auto 100% of the time. Audioholics did a test on the Auto setting and it showed no detrimental effects.

In Auto mode, while at -30.5db MV and quieter, Eco is ON and not only saves power but reduces AVR temps by at least 10°F with no degradation to sound.

At -29.5db MV and louder, Eco is now Off and you get full power when you actually need it.

At -30.0db MV, Eco is somewhere in the middle and can turn on and off if needed, so I personally avoid -30db MV.
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So I know that the better audyssey version is a big deal but if I don't want to spring for the 2600 am I going to be kicking myself forever if I can get a really good price on the S950H?

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So I know that the better audyssey version is a big deal but if I don't want to spring for the 2600 am I going to be kicking myself forever if I can get a really good price on the S950H?

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The "best" Audyssey version (ie. XT32) is a big deal. The difference between XT (X2600H) and MultEQ (S950H) not so much.

As an example, on a scale of 1-10 where MultEQ = 1 and XT32 = 10, then XT = 3.

However, be sure to review post 1 to learn the other features/benefit that you would be giving up (ie. 3 year warranty reduced to 2 years, Zone 2 pre-outs). If none are of interest/concern to you, then go with the S950H and enjoy the savings.
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The "best" Audyssey version (ie. XT32) is a big deal. The difference between XT (X2600H) and MultEQ (S950H) not so much.



As an example, on a scale of 1-10 where MultEQ = 1 and XT32 = 10, then XT = 3.



However, be sure to review post 1 to learn the other features/benefit that you would be giving up (ie. 3 year warranty reduced to 2 years, Zone 2 pre-outs, 2nd main zone HDMI monitor output). If none are of interest/concern to you, then go with the S950H and enjoy the savings.
How does the second HDMI out work? I noticed that on the back of the 2600 and the 950 they are both marked as monitor 2. If I had my PC connected to one of the HDMI inputs would my projector and computer monitor not show up as two separate displays if they were connected to the two HDMI outputs? Thanks

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How does the second HDMI out work? I noticed that on the back of the 2600 and the 950 they are both marked as monitor 2. If I had my PC connected to one of the HDMI inputs would my projector and computer monitor not show up as two separate displays if they were connected to the two HDMI outputs? Thanks

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Edited my previous post to reflect the S950H also features the 2nd main zone HDMI monitor output which is ideally designed for when there is a TV and PJ in the same room. Note, that as with most HDMI splitters, the lowest common denominator applies in that if one display is 1080p and the other is 4k, then only 1080p will pass if the <HDMI Video Output> = Auto (Dual) (ie. must instead use either "Monitor 1" or "Monitor 2" as appropriate for that particular source).
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I am having a weird problem with my 3600H. In HEOS mode, the front display shows No Network Connection message though it is connected to the internet and playing all online services fine. When input in selected to TV or Disk, it shows everything fine. Anything HEOS or Airplay- there is that message scrolling tru the front display on the AVR. Very annoying. Anyone experienced this?
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Edited my previous post to reflect the S950H also features the 2nd main zone HDMI monitor output which is ideally designed for when there is a TV and PJ in the same room. Note, that as with most HDMI splitters, the lowest common denominator applies in that if one display is 1080p and the other is 4k, then only 1080p will pass if the <HDMI Video Output> = Auto (Dual) (ie. must instead use either "Monitor 1" or "Monitor 2" as appropriate for that particular source).
Great post, that totally makes sense. Projector and monitor are both 1080p right now but eventually going to switch to 4K projector. I wish the 1600 just had the better GUI and I would just roll with it. Thanks

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AVR hum driving me crazy - Denon AVR-X2600H

I recently upgraded my Denon 1910 for a 2600H.

When I hooked everything up I noticed a crazy hum in the subwoofer... the subwoofer is old so I figured it deserved an upgrade. Maybe that was the issue?

However, I then hooked up my turntable (with preamp that's grounded) and the hum is ridiculous and the audio is so distorted you can't even tell what you are playing.

First I tried various cables... disconnecting and connecting various ones. Nothing seemed to eliminate it. Then I tried the power sockets - only plugging in what's absolutely necessary. The hum was still there. I even unplugged all the speakers and used bluetooth headphones and the hum was still there.

I tried the same setup with my old 1910 and it worked fine. No issues with the subwoofer or turntable.

Have I got a faulty 2600? Or is there something obvious I'm overlooking?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Question Denon AVR-X4000 (2013) - Is it time to upgrade to a 2019 or newer AVR?

Hello Denon AVR experts,

I've had my Denon AVR-X4000 since it came out (2013 or so).

It is working well with a 5.1 setup (Athena AS-F1 fronts, AS-C1 center, AS-B2 surrounds, and Athena AS-P6000 Subwoofer) and a Samsung Plasma TV 1080P about 8 feet away, which also works well enough.

Typical use: Movies either from Netflix or Amazon Prime in a second bedroom (11 x 18 feet) that functions as my home-office and home-theater cave.

I do not have much interest to upgrade to an Atmos set-up, unless somebody convinces me that the difference is worth it, and even then, it'd be limited to front height speakers (and I'd still hesitate about putting more speakers within the room).
But in any case, I'd welcome comments and an education about it.

Having said all of this... every few years, I like to check whether the new AVR's "state-of-the-art" would make a significant difference and merit an upgrade, staying away from marketing gimmicks.

So, would it be time to upgrade the receiver to one with the latest technology (Denon 3600? or 4500?) for some good reason(s) or not enough progress has been made to merit an upgrade yet?

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Having said all of this... every few years, I like to check whether the new AVR's "state-of-the-art" would make a significant difference and merit an upgrade, staying away from marketing gimmicks.

So, would it be time to upgrade the receiver to one with the latest technology (Denon 3600? or 4500?) for some good reason(s) or not enough progress has been made to merit an upgrade yet?

Thanks,

flmiami

If you don't "need" to upgrade you might as well wait until HDMI 2.1 is a standard for all HDMI ports. Might be 1 or 2 years before that happens but this summer everyone appears to at least be rolling out updates that provide HDMI 2.1 on at least one input.
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sound delay (not synch) when changing chanel on TV

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I just installed my avr-x3600h. I have a problem of delay when I use my TV (Samsung PN60F8500) remote control. I can see it when I change chanel, on the receiver setup menu but the worse is when I change the TV channel (indoor antenna connected to TV). When I change the channel, there's a delay before I can hear anything between 1 to like 7 seconds. Can I have some help trying to see if it's a parameter problem or else? TBH, I suspect it's the HDMI cable because I had to use 2 shorts ones with a female-female connector so I can have a long enough cable but I wouldn't bet on that.

I tried changing a few things on TV and also removing the synch delay on the receiver with no success. And yes, the hdmi cable is on an ARC one on the TV.

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Hi folks,

I just installed my avr-x3600h. I have a problem of delay when I use my TV (Samsung PN60F8500) remote control. I can see it when I change chanel, on the receiver setup menu but the worse is when I change the TV channel (indoor antenna connected to TV). When I change the channel, there's a delay before I can hear anything between 1 to like 7 seconds. Can I have some help trying to see if it's a parameter problem or else? TBH, I suspect it's the HDMI cable because I had to use 2 shorts ones with a female-female connector so I can have a long enough cable but I wouldn't bet on that.

I tried changing a few things on TV and also removing the synch delay on the receiver with no success. And yes, the hdmi cable is on an ARC one on the TV.

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More likely an HDMI handshake issue. Refer to post 3 item 11(k) and do an HDMI HDCP reset.

Otherwise, replace the HDMI cable with a single one that is the correct length.
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Hi everyone,

I searched on this topic but couldn't find the answer I'm looking for.
Here's my config:
- Samsung 2019 QLED TV Q60R
- nVidia Shield TV 2019
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- Disney+ and Netflix (premium with 4K)
(all have latest FW/SW/app updates).

I don't manage to get "Atmos" displayed on the AVR, just:
=> Sound: Dolby Audio - DD+ + Dsur
=> Signal: Dolby Audio - DD+

I've seen this on the nVidia forum - replying to a guy who has a Marantz 8802A:
"Unfortunately that's your problem. Your receiver unfortunately doesn't support DD+ with Atmos, it only supports Atmos over TrueHD (the loseless stuff). Your plex titles are likely TrueHD, while the streaming apps do DD+ with ATMOS in it (lossy and less bandwidth thus preferred by streaming services), but your audio mode is missing that flag which means your recevier isn't reporting that it supports it."

is that the case with the AVR-X3600H too?
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is that the case with the AVR-X3600H too?
No, the AVR-X3600H is fine with DD+Atmos.
The issues can come either from the Shield itself or the streaming service does some traffic limiting (because of COVID) and disables the Atmos soundtracks - and you get only the DD+ non-Atmos kind.
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0 (reference) or +1 or 2... that's loud

my average is around -20 to -10

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What exactly is high volumes. I generally leave mine on 50.5. Is that considered high or not?

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So I know that the better audyssey version is a big deal but if I don't want to spring for the 2600 am I going to be kicking myself forever if I can get a really good price on the S950H?

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this is a much better receiver than the s950H or x2600 and has the best version of Audyssey available

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I have a new X3600h installed in a home theater setup and wondering if there's information on how to get the unit to work within an Alexa routine. I've looked all over the Heos site and found nothing on this.

The 3600h trigger out is driving the projector extension and motorized screen based on input source selection just fine but I'd like to create routines that will also control lights and shades and change input sources. Anyone know if this is possible and where I can find info on how to do this?

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Hi everyone,

I searched on this topic but couldn't find the answer I'm looking for.
Here's my config:
- Samsung 2019 QLED TV Q60R
- nVidia Shield TV 2019
- AVR-X3600H
- Disney+ and Netflix (premium with 4K)
(all have latest FW/SW/app updates).

I don't manage to get "Atmos" displayed on the AVR, just:
=> Sound: Dolby Audio - DD+ + Dsur
=> Signal: Dolby Audio - DD+

I've seen this on the nVidia forum - replying to a guy who has a Marantz 8802A:
"Unfortunately that's your problem. Your receiver unfortunately doesn't support DD+ with Atmos, it only supports Atmos over TrueHD (the loseless stuff). Your plex titles are likely TrueHD, while the streaming apps do DD+ with ATMOS in it (lossy and less bandwidth thus preferred by streaming services), but your audio mode is missing that flag which means your recevier isn't reporting that it supports it."

is that the case with the AVR-X3600H too?

I have a similar setup (Denon + Shield + Disney + Netflix). What are you watching? I can try and reproduce and see if I get a similar outcome.
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I have a similar setup (Denon + Shield + Disney + Netflix). What are you watching? I can try and reproduce and see if I get a similar outcome.
Thanks.
So I made some tests this morning.


Few comments -
Netflix does send Atmos content, and is recognized as such by both the Samsung App and the Android app running on the Shield (which is connected to the AVR).
Disney+ is not in both cases. Interestingly, the Disney app on the Shield seems to not recognize the 4K/HDR capability of the Shield/AVR combination.
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Hi,

exploring adding two more channels to my X3600H setup. Somewhat surprised to find, and even spoke to Denon tech support (didn't seem to be sure himself), that in AMP assign, for an 11.1 set up, I would need to sacrifice either the rear heights or the fronts in order to add an external amp. Support said it was a software limitation.

1. Is their anyway around this? I want to add back surrounds which would be barely used on my end. Very hesitant to add an amp to the fronts or the rear heights just to get barely used (volume wise), back surrounds. More so the quality of the sounds match than anything etc. Feels better to me to have the main layout to be powered by one device.

2. Worst case I could subject to listening sacrifice the rear heights. But practically no budget as I have too much extra hardware laying around. Is this suitable for AVR's / HT: Monoprice Unity 100-Watt Bridgeable Power Amp haven't seen a single mention of its use in quite a wide search of the internet, perhaps because it is stereo or something else? Can it work? If so, would one hear a difference?

3. Worst case repurpose an old Marantz 1608 but I can't wrap my head around hooking it up with all its intricate filters and effects built in. From what I have read most use integrated amps with an HT bypass to get the straight clean power, can one do that with a full blown AVR as well? What about power consumption, is it a waste to run a full AVR just to use two channels from it?

I distinctly recall looking at the X6500 with its 11.2 capabilities when I bought the 3600 which was a few months ago and waved it off at a 1000 dollars more as thinking waste of money. Now I am back to square one . Really don't want to spend anything to get this back surround going or max a couple 100 dollars. Certainly I don't want to mess up the existing setup with cheap power for the key components (fronts and heights), but a cheap amp on the back surrounds (if those can be reassigned) would work for me.

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edit: just found this nice. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post57909756

how about that monoprice amp in this case?

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Hello - trying to confirm.... With the X3600, can you put two different HEOS music sources on the 3 zones possible? Or does music (lets say Amazon) play as the only option aside from audio for a 5.1/2 HT set up?


Asking for
Zone 1 - Home Theater

Zone 2 - Spotify
Zone 3 - Amazon


Asking so we could also group, but I think grouping is per X3600 vs per zone.
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Hello - trying to confirm.... With the X3600, can you put two different HEOS music sources on the 3 zones possible? Or does music (lets say Amazon) play as the only option aside from audio for a 5.1/2 HT set up?


Asking for
Zone 1 - Home Theater

Zone 2 - Spotify
Zone 3 - Amazon


Asking so we could also group, but I think grouping is per X3600 vs per zone.
Nope. Although only one networking source can be used with the AVR zones, you can use multiple sources with dedicated HEOS speakers set up as independent zones instead.

Up to 32 HEOS speakers can be set up as independent zones (in addition to the AVR's zones) with up to 16 being grouped together for whole house audio playing up to 8 different sources.

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exploring adding two more channels to my X3600H setup. Somewhat surprised to find, and even spoke to Denon tech support (didn't seem to be sure himself), that in AMP assign, for an 11.1 set up, I would need to sacrifice either the rear heights or the fronts in order to add an external amp. Support said it was a software limitation.

1. Is their anyway around this? I want to add back surrounds which would be barely used on my end. Very hesitant to add an amp to the fronts or the rear heights just to get barely used (volume wise), back surrounds. More so the quality of the sounds match than anything etc. Feels better to me to have the main layout to be powered by one device.

2. Worst case I could subject to listening sacrifice the rear heights. But practically no budget as I have too much extra hardware laying around. Is this suitable for AVR's / HT: Monoprice Unity 100-Watt Bridgeable Power Amp haven't seen a single mention of its use in quite a wide search of the internet, perhaps because it is stereo or something else? Can it work? If so, would one hear a difference?

3. Worst case repurpose an old Marantz 1608 but I can't wrap my head around hooking it up with all its intricate filters and effects built in. From what I have read most use integrated amps with an HT bypass to get the straight clean power, can one do that with a full blown AVR as well? What about power consumption, is it a waste to run a full AVR just to use two channels from it?

I distinctly recall looking at the X6500 with its 11.2 capabilities when I bought the 3600 which was a few months ago and waved it off at a 1000 dollars more as thinking waste of money. Now I am back to square one . Really don't want to spend anything to get this back surround going or max a couple 100 dollars. Certainly I don't want to mess up the existing setup with cheap power for the key components (fronts and heights), but a cheap amp on the back surrounds (if those can be reassigned) would work for me.

Thanks

edit: just found this nice. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post57909756

how about that monoprice amp in this case?
1. As you learned from my post you listed, that Denon tech support you spoke with is misinformed. When AMP ASSIGN = 11.1, then either the Front L/R or Rear Height 2 L/R must be externally powered, not that they are "sacrificed". He needs to spend some time reviewing the Owner's manuals for the models he supports.
2. The most cost effective solution for the expansion would be to power the Height 2 speakers by repurposing the NR1608 although the Monoprice amp would work as well (although your link only goes to the main Monoprice webpage so didn't actually see the amp).
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1. As you learned from my post you listed, that Denon tech support you spoke with is misinformed. When AMP ASSIGN = 11.1, then either the Front L/R or Rear Height 2 L/R must be externally powered, not that they are "sacrificed". He needs to spend some time reviewing the Owner's manuals for the models he supports.
2. The most cost effective solution for the expansion would be to power the Height 2 speakers by repurposing the NR1608 although the Monoprice amp would work as well (although your link only goes to the main Monoprice webpage so didn't actually see the amp).
Thanks very much. What are your thoughts on the monoprice amp, other than just working, quality or sound wise would one notice anything? Another idea would be switching another 1608 out of duty and perhaps connecting the two of them to get even or more unform power all round (if that applies) so:

Marantz 1608 + Marantz 1608 for the whole 11.1 set up -- but both being relatively old compared to the X3600 -- for more accurate sound all round or the X3600 + 1608 as above -- the Denon being newer or the monoprice if indeed there would be no noticeable difference in sound etc.
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Thanks very much. What are your thoughts on the monoprice amp, other than just working, quality or sound wise would one notice anything? Another idea would be switching another 1608 out of duty and perhaps connecting the two of them to get even or more unform power all round (if that applies) so:

Marantz 1608 + Marantz 1608 for the whole 11.1 set up -- but both being relatively old compared to the X3600 -- for more accurate sound all round or the X3600 + 1608 as above -- the Denon being newer or the monoprice if indeed there would be no noticeable difference in sound etc.
No reason to. Rear Height speakers will draw very little power. A single NR1608 will provide more than enough power. Either way, they're just amps.
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