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I really do like my 2600h I just wish they had relays that were slighly more silent, they are really loud!
That's because they're electro-mechanical to avoid any physical connection after the fact as they open and close taps on the transformer.

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Yes we do as music has no standardized requirements for mastering and remember it's not just the Denon. Looking for affirmation over information when troubleshooting is always the trap. Again telling everyone to only do the specific things you want them to do to reproduce something ain't the way to go about it. At worst you've found some connection between certain hot tracks and bass mgmt. settings that almost no one but you and a few others have made mention of and the fact that it's not being talked about more in threads is a tell to me. I would be going bonkers if i heard what I listened to on Soundcloud but I ain't and most everyone else ain't either. Still curious to see what others report back but short of the majority of musical content reproducing this when highpassed it's pretty much an anomalous nothing burger to me.
Why not try the track on your X4300H? With a stereo HDMI input, speakers set to small, and no upmixers active. That really doesn't seem too specific to me.
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Why not try the track on your X4300H? With a stereo HDMI input, speakers set to small, and no upmixers active. That really doesn't seem too specific to me.
I might if I get a chance but I've played literally hundreds of CD's,SACD's,DVD-A, blu ray concert films with stereo tracks through my OPPO and Onkyo CD changer as well as thousands of FLAC and MP3 album files on my 128GB Lexar flash drive all passing through my Denon and never once had this issue come up while listening in stereo and I always bass manage. Won't prove anything because I could just lie and say I didn't hear it when I did even though I'd never do something like that but agendas rule on the internet at times on all sides. Mine included. You could also be 100% correct in your assumption but if the majority wont ever hear it does it really matter? Hopefully you should be getting some good feedback here soon with your specific model as well.

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I am having a small problem with my Denon 750 H. It is A couple of days old.. Sometimes when I start the system it seems to have a hard time connecting to the cable box. The sound and the picture keep blinking on and off. I have the cable box connected through an HDMI cable. The HDMI cable is brand new high-speed certified. What should I look for or where should I start.

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I am having a small problem with my Denon 750 H. It is A couple of days old.. Sometimes when I start the system it seems to have a hard time connecting to the cable box. The sound and the picture keep blinking on and off. I have the cable box connected through an HDMI cable. The HDMI cable is brand new high-speed certified. What should I look for or where should I start.



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See if changing the HDMI bandwidth setting helps if it's set to Enhanced. Standard is the setting specifically for helping with cable box issues.

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I am having a small problem with my Denon 750 H. It is A couple of days old.. Sometimes when I start the system it seems to have a hard time connecting to the cable box. The sound and the picture keep blinking on and off. I have the cable box connected through an HDMI cable. The HDMI cable is brand new high-speed certified. What should I look for or where should I start.

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Try connecting to one of the other HDMI rear inputs.

Also, to mitigate HDMI handshake issues, power on the TV first, pause 5 seconds, AVR, pause 5 seconds, cable box. If using a programmable remote (eg. Harmony), the pauses can be programmed.
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Try connecting to one of the other HDMI rear inputs.

Also, to mitigate HDMI handshake issues, power on the TV first, pause 5 seconds, AVR, pause 5 seconds, cable box. If using a programmable remote (eg. Harmony), the pauses can be programmed.
I am going to try the suggestion and change enhanced to standard on HDMI.
If that works I’m done. If that doesn’t work I will start changing different inputs.
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Try connecting to one of the other HDMI rear inputs.

Also, to mitigate HDMI handshake issues, power on the TV first, pause 5 seconds, AVR, pause 5 seconds, cable box. If using a programmable remote (eg. Harmony), the pauses can be programmed.

5 second delay between each would drive me nuts! Right now I have a 2 second delay programmed between each component: TV -> AVR -> Sources and it's already annoying!
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I'm looking at getting an X2600H.


Because I use different picture modes for games vs. everything else, I'm wondering if I can connect the dual HDMI outputs to different inputs on my TV (LG B7, for the record). That way (in theory) I don't have to switch to game mode and back on the TV constantly.


Is this something that would work seamlessly? Are there any drawbacks or limitations to doing this?
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1. HDMI(ARC) is used when you want to pass the audio from the TV's smart apps back to the AVR. The alternatives are either (a) using an optical connection from the TV --> AVR; however, optical cannot pass DD+ which Netflix uses for Atmos Lite, or (b) connecting a 3rd party device (eg. Roku, Firestick, AppleTV, etc.) directly to the AVR which can also access the same streaming services as the TV.
2. This is more likely TV brand/model specific as I can power off my TV and Spotify or Pandora continue to play (which I'll often do when I want to listen in the dark). Try adding an HDMI splitter/switch between the AVR and TV so the TV's EDID is copied to the HDMI splitter/switch.
3. Disconnect/reconnecting is the fix as you indicate.
4. Use the AVR volume control.
5. Audyssey works with 2 speakers. Whether you use it (or Dynamic EQ) or not (like many of the settings) is personal preference.
6. If you disable Dynamic EQ, you can manually increase the bass (OPTION - TONE) to suit your personal preference.
7. Toe in speakers to face the main listening position; however, you'll also want to run Audyssey again after the repositioning.
8. Although hardwired ethernet is more reliable, no reason not to use Wifi if there is a good connection with the home's router/modem.
9. See 7 above; otherwise, add a center speaker, although the Q150 is a bookshelf speaker not really designed as a center speaker while the KEF Q250 would be a much better option.
10. Don't know as I don't use a Macbook.
11. TuneIn is simply the first item on the HEOS page.
12. Sufficient ventilation ideally requires at least 3-4" clearance above the AVR with open front and back, otherwise, consider adding an AC Infinity fan if there is at least 1.5" clearance.
Thank you for the thorough response and help! Some follow ups, if you or others can advise further!

1. What's the benefit of not using an optical cable vs. ARC here? And what benefit does using a dedicated streaming device vs. the native smart TV apps?

2. There must be a way for me to listen to Spotify via the AVR without having the TV on - and a way that doesn't involve getting an HDMI splitter, no? The TV is a new LG B9, I can't imagine it's TV-specific...no one would buy an AVR if they had an LG TV

3. Can you please help me understand crossover and if I need to make any changes with this 2.0 setup? I've been reading up and still not clear.

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Thank you for the thorough response and help! Some follow ups, if you or others can advise further!

1. What's the benefit of not using an optical cable vs. ARC here? And what benefit does using a dedicated streaming device vs. the native smart TV apps?

2. There must be a way for me to listen to Spotify via the AVR without having the TV on - and a way that doesn't involve getting an HDMI splitter, no? The TV is a new LG B9, I can't imagine it's TV-specific...no one would buy an AVR if they had an LG TV

3. Can you please help me understand crossover and if I need to make any changes with this 2.0 setup? I've been reading up and still not clear.

Thanks again!
1. Optical is more reliable than HDMI(ARC); however, although optical can pass DD/DTS 5.1 or PCM 2.0, only HDMI(ARC) can pass DD+ that Netflix uses, especially with Atmos Lite. If you don't have a 5.1.2 Atmos/DTS setup, than doesn't matter if you use optical.
2. If it doesn't work on your TV model, then you'll have to to use a work around (eg. HDMI splitter/switch).
3. After running Audyssey Setup, the point at which it's best to pass the lower frequencies to the subwoofer (ie. "crossover") is determined and the Audyssey EQ is only performed to that crossover point which is why it's okay to "raise" a crossover setting in Manual Setup, but not okay to lower it, as lowering a crossover then introduces frequencies that have not been EQ'd by Audyssey.
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I'm looking at getting an X2600H.


Because I use different picture modes for games vs. everything else, I'm wondering if I can connect the dual HDMI outputs to different inputs on my TV (LG B7, for the record). That way (in theory) I don't have to switch to game mode and back on the TV constantly.


Is this something that would work seamlessly? Are there any drawbacks or limitations to doing this?
Yup.
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q. PS4/Blu Ray Player (BDP)/Game machine - No video or intermittent video issue: On the PS4 or Blu Ray player, set the "Deep Color Output" setting to OFF. Ensure the game machine is set to a standard TV resolution otherwise the AVR won't recognize the signal.

In the troubleshooting post, I found the above. Is this a common problem in regards to PS4? With Deep Color Output turned off, PS4 will not output in HDR. If I can't send PS4 Pro HDR through an X2600, it would really defeat my purpose in getting the unit.


Can anyone comment on being able to passthrough HDR from PS4?
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Guys. My basement theater room is setup for 7.1 with an older Onkyo now. However, the HDMI board is dead, so really I'm getting upmixed 5.1 signal from optical to my 7 channels.
I'm feeling the itch to upgrade.
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Rears: (currently at an atmos height from a previous home owner which is not proper): Polk Monitor 30

I'm thinking of going 7.1.4. Making front and rear atmos Polk monitor 30's and bringing a set of Monitor 40s at rear floor level.

After doing a bunch of research. I think I like the specs of the Denon X3600H.
My TV is 4K HDR, but nothing too fancy after that. I think this receiver should handle the video processing without too much trouble.
Anything to look out for? The current market is pretty wild with many receivers not available from what I assume is COVID related.
I was really looking to pick one up used eventually. Have most of you guys bought the post amp and put the L/R channels? I'd like to hear some feedback.
Anything to look out for?

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Can anyone comment on being able to passthrough HDR from PS4?
I have the 3600, and before that a 930H, and never had issues with HDR from my PS4, or any connected device...and I run everything through the Denon and always have.

All my PS4 Pro video settings are set to Auto.



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Guys. My basement theater room is setup for 7.1 with an older Onkyo now. However, the HDMI board is dead, so really I'm getting upmixed 5.1 signal from optical to my 7 channels.
I'm feeling the itch to upgrade.
L/R Polk Monitor 60
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Surround: Polk Monitor 50
Rears: (currently at an atmos height from a previous home owner which is not proper): Polk Monitor 30

I'm thinking of going 7.1.4. Making front and rear atmos Polk monitor 30's and bringing a set of Monitor 40s at rear floor level.

After doing a bunch of research. I think I like the specs of the Denon X3600H.
My TV is 4K HDR, but nothing too fancy after that. I think this receiver should handle the video processing without too much trouble.
Anything to look out for? The current market is pretty wild with many receivers not available from what I assume is COVID related.
I was really looking to pick one up used eventually. Have most of you guys bought the post amp and put the L/R channels? I'd like to hear some feedback.
Anything to look out for?
The expansion of the X3600H from 9CH --> 11CH is discussed in post 8. Whether you purchase a more expensive/powerful amp to power the Front L/R or a less expensive/lower powered amp to power the Height 2 L/R is personal preference and whether you feel your Front L/R speakers are underpowered or you just want to spend more money on a more powerful amp.
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I follow the audyssey setup instructions how to prepare your subwoofer, however after the setup it puts my subwoofer at -12.0B.

I’ve tried lowering the gain level but still get the same results.



Subwoofer is located at the right near the wall.
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I've had my X3600H for a few weeks now. I am confused about the Audessy setup and setting the speaker size to "small" so that my subs are used for stereo music and TV audio. I have a 5.2 speaker setup with GoldenEar Triton 7's, SuperCenter X, Invisa 525 surrounds and two ForceField 3 subs.


Audessy sets the speakers to Large because of the full range capability of the Tritons, however the setup guide at the beginning of this thread (and virtually all advice I see) says they should be set to Small. The only way I see to do that is in Manual Setup, which I think overrides the Audessy settings.


If I rerun the Audessy setup after manually setting the speakers to small, will this keep the crossovers so that the subs are on more and not just for LFE on movies?

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Can the X2600H's speaker configuration be set to:


Front Left Height
Front Left


Center


Front Right
Front Right Height


? I'm looking at the online manual and don't see this option, though I thought I did before purchasing the X2600H.
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I've had my X3600H for a few weeks now. I am confused about the Audessy setup and setting the speaker size to "small" so that my subs are used for stereo music and TV audio. I have a 5.2 speaker setup with GoldenEar Triton 7's, SuperCenter X, Invisa 525 surrounds and two ForceField 3 subs.


Audessy sets the speakers to Large because of the full range capability of the Tritons, however the setup guide at the beginning of this thread (and virtually all advice I see) says they should be set to Small. The only way I see to do that is in Manual Setup, which I think overrides the Audessy settings.


If I rerun the Audessy setup after manually setting the speakers to small, will this keep the crossovers so that the subs are on more and not just for LFE on movies?


I’d like to know as well as I have a 4500 coming this week and wondering same


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I've had my X3600H for a few weeks now. I am confused about the Audessy setup and setting the speaker size to "small" so that my subs are used for stereo music and TV audio. I have a 5.2 speaker setup with GoldenEar Triton 7's, SuperCenter X, Invisa 525 surrounds and two ForceField 3 subs.


Audessy sets the speakers to Large because of the full range capability of the Tritons, however the setup guide at the beginning of this thread (and virtually all advice I see) says they should be set to Small. The only way I see to do that is in Manual Setup, which I think overrides the Audessy settings.


If I rerun the Audessy setup after manually setting the speakers to small, will this keep the crossovers so that the subs are on more and not just for LFE on movies?
Common setup is speakers set to small crossover set at 80 and [email protected] If you run pure direct for music which I do with my towers most of the time it runs them full range and shuts audyssey off and any corrections and sub. Setting speakers to small let's you change crossover settings. Audyssey after calibration has my towers and center set at 40 and surrounds at 60 which is fine but I like the sub to handle more of the low end. It's more of a personal preference as long as you stay in your speaker specs. My heights I run at 100hz and my front stage and surrounds all at 80hz.

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Can the X2600H's speaker configuration be set to:

Front Left Height
Front Left
Center
Front Right
Front Right Height

? I'm looking at the online manual and don't see this option, though I thought I did before purchasing the X2600H.
Yes. A 3.1.2 configuration is possible.
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I've had my X3600H for a few weeks now. I am confused about the Audessy setup and setting the speaker size to "small" so that my subs are used for stereo music and TV audio. I have a 5.2 speaker setup with GoldenEar Triton 7's, SuperCenter X, Invisa 525 surrounds and two ForceField 3 subs.

Audessy sets the speakers to Large because of the full range capability of the Tritons, however the setup guide at the beginning of this thread (and virtually all advice I see) says they should be set to Small. The only way I see to do that is in Manual Setup, which I think overrides the Audessy settings.

If I rerun the Audessy setup after manually setting the speakers to small, will this keep the crossovers so that the subs are on more and not just for LFE on movies?
1. Audyssey only refers to the actual EQ curve that is created after running Audyssey Setup. Audyssey then passes the -3dB point of the speakers to the AVR and the AVR makes the speaker settings (ie. LARGE/SMALL, level, distance, crossover).
2. You can then go into Manual Setup and change these settings (eg. LARGE-->SMALL and raise the crossover from 40Hhz/60Hz --->80Hz) without impacting the EQ curve.
3. If you rerun Audyssey Setup, all current settings are ignored.
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Awesome. Thank you; exactly the info that I need.
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Although product rep YouTube videos released last year indicated the 2019 X3600H and lower models would not be replaced this year (rather only the 2018 X4500H/X6500H), a Denon YouTube video was just posted (see link below) that discusses a successor to the X3600H, the X3700H. A press release from Sound United is expected in the next few weeks regarding what other 2020 models will be released and most likely when they will be available.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post59706714
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Excuse the ignorance, but satellite speakers are not full range speakers, correct?

Because when playing a game it has it as an option.
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Excuse the ignorance, but satellite speakers are not full range speakers, correct?

Because when playing a game it has it as an option.
A speaker's capability is determined by its specs not by its size which is why any speaker can be set to LARGE if appropriate.
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Guys. My basement theater room is setup for 7.1 with an older Onkyo now. However, the HDMI board is dead, so really I'm getting upmixed 5.1 signal from optical to my 7 channels.
I'm feeling the itch to upgrade.
L/R Polk Monitor 60
C: Polk CS1
Surround: Polk Monitor 50
Rears: (currently at an atmos height from a previous home owner which is not proper): Polk Monitor 30

I'm thinking of going 7.1.4. Making front and rear atmos Polk monitor 30's and bringing a set of Monitor 40s at rear floor level.

After doing a bunch of research. I think I like the specs of the Denon X3600H.
My TV is 4K HDR, but nothing too fancy after that. I think this receiver should handle the video processing without too much trouble.
Anything to look out for? The current market is pretty wild with many receivers not available from what I assume is COVID related.
I was really looking to pick one up used eventually. Have most of you guys bought the post amp and put the L/R channels? I'd like to hear some feedback.
Anything to look out for?
Before you start thinking about buying external amp and utilize all the 11 channels, you could be thinking about adding a 2nd sub and just stay in a 5.2.4 or 7.2.2 setup. I know what you are thinking and what the spec says, but in real life, you would see biggest sound improvement in your HT
setup is by adding a second sub. Way more noticeable audible difference than adding a pair 5th or 7th surround speakers. X3600H let you do that nicely with 2 independent sub control. I am talking from experience.

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I have an X1600.
When playing a recorded show from my cable/TiVo box, if I fast forward single speed for more than 5 sec or so, Or any time double or triple speed or in reverse, the audio will drop out and can only recover by turning the AVR off/on.

Connections all hdmi
TiVo into passive switch/splitter
Splitter output 1 to TV hdmi 1
Splitter output 2 to AVR
AVR to TV hdmi2/ARC

Have also tried the TV optical out to AVR and get same result.

WTF?
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I have an X1600.
When playing a recorded show from my cable/TiVo box, if I fast forward single speed for more than 5 sec or so, Or any time double or triple speed or in reverse, the audio will drop out and can only recover by turning the AVR off/on.

Connections all hdmi
TiVo into passive switch/splitter
Splitter output 1 to TV hdmi 1
Splitter output 2 to AVR
AVR to TV hdmi2/ARC

Have also tried the TV optical out to AVR and get same result.

WTF?
Have you reported this to Denon?
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