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"OFFICIAL" 2019 Denon "S-Series" / "X-Series" AVR Owner's Thread + FAQ (Posts 1-8)

This thread covers the following 2019 Denon AVRs: S650H/S750H/S950H/X1600H/X2600H/X3600H



Sound United (parent company of Denon and Marantz) has started to release information on the new 2019 Denon models starting with the three of the four new "S" series models. The lower "X" series will be announced next with the S540BT/X4500H/X6500H continuing thru 2019 (and will therefore continue to be discussed in the 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread) and not being replaced until 2020.

What's new or to be added via firmware update for the 2019 models?

S650H/S750H/S950H/X1600H/X2600H/X3600H

- Note that all the 2019 models are still HDMI 2.0b (ie. HDMI 2.1 models won't be released until 2020)
- HDCP 2.3 - all HDMI ports
- eARC - on board (as opposed to the 2017 X3400H/X4400H/X6400H and 2018 X3500H/X4500H/X6500H/X8500H models previously receiving it via a firmware update)(Note an HDMI w/Ethernet cable must be used between the AVR and eARC capable TV)
- USB thumb drive requirements - NTFS added
- Airplay - ON/OFF setting
- OvrC smart remote management
- HDMI Input Mode setting connected to the HDMI Input Assign menu
- HDMI Multiple Input Assign (allow to assign multiple audio sources to the same video source)
- ALL ZONE STEREO - ON/OFF added to Quick Select button

- Added via future firmware update:
- Dolby Height Virtualizer (S750H and higher; only available when sound mode selected includes "+ Dolby Surround")
- Bluetooth transmit to single pair of headphones/hearing aids
- HDMI Audio Input rename (when input available from source player)
- Spotify Connect now available using FREE Spotify account (in addition to Premium account)



What was dropped from the 2018 models?
- No longer able to apply DTS Neural:X on DD audio but still able to use Dolby Surround on DTS audio

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- All "S" series models have a 2 year warranty if purchased new/open-box from an authorized dealer
- All "X" series models have a 3 year warranty (2 years in Canada) if purchased new/open-box from an authorized dealer
- All refurbished models have a 1 year warranty if purchased from an authorized refurb dealer

Note:
1. Although all models feature two subwoofer pre-outs, only the X3600H features independent subwoofer volume control of each subwoofer.


Denon model web page info and Owner manual links :


- S650H - MSRP $399, 5.2 CH, 75W, HDMI In/Out (5/1) - avail April
Upgrading from the S550BT provides all HDMI inputs as 4k/HDCP 2.3 capable, and the lowest model to feature Audyssey MultEQ (6 mic positions), networking, DSD via USB/network source, speaker posts, 32 bit DAC, and an on board Denon HEOS module (allows streaming of HEOS app music services to the AVR as well as streaming PCM 2.0 source from the AVR to HEOS wireless speakers set up around the home). Firmware updates are installed via a network connection or USB. There are no Zone 2 pre-outs. No noticeable difference in power; however, this is the lowest model with Audyssey so audio quality should be improved after running Audyssey. PHONO input. Dolby Vision + HLG + ALLM.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...ivers/avrs650h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS650H/NA/EN/index.php

- S750H - MSRP $499, 7.2 CH, 75W, HDMI In/Out (6/1) - avail April
Upgrading from the S650H adds a front HDMI input and two more audio channels for a 7CH model, Atmos/DTS:X 5.2.2. It features 5.1 + Zone 2 capability using the Surround Back speaker posts for Zone 2. There are no Zone 2 pre-outs. No noticeable difference in power. DTS Virtual:X (simulates height audio when using a 5.1 configuration but Audyssey is disabled). Dolby Height Virtualizer. Able to use the MultEQ Editor app (iOS/Android; $20). 32 bit AK4458VN DAC (as well as on all higher level models up to the X6500H). This is the lowest model that can use the Audyssey MultEQ Editor iOS/Android app ($20).

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...ivers/avrs750h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS750H/NA/EN/index.php

https://www.cnet.com/reviews/denon-avr-s750h-review/

- S950H - MSRP $599, 7.2CH, 90W, HDMI In/Out (8/2, main/main outputs) - avail April
Upgrading from the S750H adds 2 more HDMI inputs, 1 more main zone monitor output (eg. when using a TV and PJ), 2 component video inputs / 1 output, 4k/30Hz upscaling, on board. No noticeable difference in either power or audio quality.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...ivers/avrs950h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS950H/NA/EN/index.php


- X1600H - MSRP $599, 7.2CH, 80W, HDMI In/Out (6/1) - avail June
This model has the same features as the S750H but adds: improved audio quality using the higher version Audyssey MultEQ XT (8 mic positions), Zone 2 pre-outs, Crestron/Control 4 interface, and also as the lowest "X" series model adds 1 more year of warranty (total 3 years). Includes “ihiji Invision” and Domotz Pro remote system management technology

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx1600h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX1600H/NA/EN/index.php


- X2600H - MSRP $799, 7.2CH, 95W, HDMI In/Out (8/2, main/main outputs) - avail June
This model has the same features as the S940H but adds: improved audio quality using the higher Audyssey MultEQ XT, Zone 2 pre-outs, RS-232, Crestron/Control 4 interface, ISF (Day/Night) calibration settings (to be set by an ISF calibrator) and 1 more year of warranty (total 3 years).

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx2600h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX2600H/NA/EN/index.php


- X3600H - MSRP $1099, 9.2CH (expandable to 11CH [7.2.4] w/2CH amp), 105W, HDMI In/Out (8/3, main/main/Zone 2 outputs) - avail July
Upgrading from the X2600H adds: Zone 2 custom settings (bass, treble, HPF, stereo/mono), 12v trigger (1), DSD over HDMI, Zone 2 HDMI Monitor output, HDMI/digital PCM 2.0 audio to Zone 2 speaker posts/pre-outs/HEOS speakers, analog --> HDMI conversion, 4k/60Hz upscaling, and the lowest model with at least 7.2 main zone pre-outs. No noticeable difference in power, but much better audio quality using the much more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and Sub EQ HT (when using 2 subs; independent sub level/delay). The Audyssey Low Frequency Containment (LFC) feature which helps to reduce the impact of lower frequency waves passing through walls (great when watching at night with others asleep nearby or if living in an apartment with thin walls). Also features IMAX enhanced DTS:X.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx3600h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX3600H/NA/EN/index.php



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Welcome to the Official 2019 Denon AVR-S/X models thread (S650H/S750H/S950H/X1600H/X2600H/X3600H)


If this is your first visit to this thread, and you want to ask a question about one of the 2019 Denon AVR models, either one that you own or one that you are thinking of buying, please provide the following information to allow for better responses to your questions:

(a) Identify the model number in question (eg. X2600H), as there are 6 different models (S and X series) discussed in this thread. Also if you have not posted in several days since your initial post, please post the model # again so we don't have to back track to learn which model you are referencing.

(b) Identify what you've done so far to troubleshoot the issue and what the front panel is displaying if an audio issue, (also take a few minutes to review the Troubleshooting section provided in post 3 as your question may already be answered there,

(c) Unless you indicate what settings have been changed, the assumption will be that all settings are on the factory defaults (ie. usually "Auto"),

(d) If the advice given seems to simplistic or obvious, don't shoot the advice giver as we have no idea of the level of your technical understanding,

(e) If there is no response to your post, it either means no one knows the answer or it has simply been overlooked so please repost if you still haven't resolved your issue,

(f) If you post a question in this thread and are given advice and either it or some other advice (eg. Denon phone support, Denon "Ask a Question" email support) resolves your issue, have the common courtesy to post back what solution resolved your issue so others can learn from it as well,

(g) If the issue is not user error or not just a misunderstanding on how the AVR works, please call Denon support so the issue is registered,

(h) When responding to another post that is providing assistance to you, please press the "Quote" button in the lower right corner of that other poster's response so that response is also listed with your new post to provide some context, and,

(i) If you don't live in either the USA or Canada, please either indicate your country location in your profile or your post as some Denon models from other regions in the world differ in configuration from their USA/Canada counterparts otherwise responses made in this thread are in regards to the USA/Canada models only.
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Known Issues, By Design and other tips relating to the 2019 Denon S/X Series models


1. By design, performing operations during playback of a Dolby Vision signal may cause variance in the color display of the menu screen and operations content. This is a characteristic of the Dolby Vision signal and is not a malfunction.

2. By design, when the sound mode is in “DTS Virtual:X” or sound mode that have “+Virtual:X” in the sound mode name, "Audyssey", “Dynamic EQ” and “Dynamic Volume” settings cannot be configured (X2600H and lower level models only). Although the X3600H can use Audyssey XT32, it is not possible to enable Dynamic EQ, Dynamic Volume, or LFC.

3. Manual EQ refers to the Graphic EQ which, when used, disables the Audyssey EQ . Manual Setup refers to the Audyssey settings that are copied from Audyssey Setup (ie. Audyssey Setup settings remain unchanged until Audyssey is run again so they can be more easily RESTOREd should you prefer to do so after making changes in Manual Setup) and can be edited by you. These changes then become the "active" Audyssey settings; however, do not impact the actual Audyssey EQ.

4. By design, <Picture Adjust> cannot be set when a 4k signal is input.

5. Samsung 2018 OLED TV Q9, Q8, Q7, Q6 Series - No Video Issue: This issue does not allow any 4K/60 / HDR content to pass through the receiver which causes the display to indicate “HDMI No Signal” on the TV. Samsung is currently further investigating the issue and should have more info on when a firmware update will be available. Refer to following link for more information --> https://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6849.

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How do I reset the microprocessor or do a network reset on my 2019 Denon S/X series AVR?

When the AVR is acting up or doing something strange, try the following steps before resorting to a microprocessor reset:

1. "Restart" - set the AVR to Standby and press/hold the power ON button until "Restart" is displayed on the front panel (resulting in no loss of settings).

If no joy, then ...

2. Soft reset - set the AVR to Standby and unplug the power cord for about 10 minutes, then plug back in the power cord and turn ON (resulting in no loss of settings).

If neither of the above resolves the issue, then you'll need to either do a network reset (if network related) or a microprocessor reset. You'll also want to reset the microprocessor before doing anything else if you purchased the AVR as an "open box" or demo/used/refurb unit to ensure all settings are returned to their original factory defaults. Prior to doing a reset, you can SAVE the config file to a USB thumb drive so it can be LOADed after doing the reset (SETUP - GENERAL - SAVE&LOAD).


3. Network Reset (“Amp Assign”, “Speaker Config.” and “Video” settings are not reset)

Note: On all networking models, if you are able to access the menu, you can also do the Network Reset by going to SETUP - GENERAL - RESET - NETWORK SETTINGS

S650H - p. 199

1 - Turn on the power using ON/STANDBY on the front panel.
2 - Select the HEOS Music Source
3 - Simultaneously press "TUNER PRESET CH +" and "TUNER PRESET CH -" on the front panel. Release your fingers when "Network Reset" is displayed on the front panel. "Complete" will display when the reset has completed.

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S750H - p. 228
S950H - p. 239
X1600H - p. 234
X2600H - p. 243
X3600H - p.


1 - Turn ON the power using ON/STANDBY.
2 - Select the HEOS Music source
3 - Simultaneously press/hold the: S750H/S950H - "Zone 2 ON/OFF" and "Zone 2 Source"; X1600H/X2600H/X3600H - "Tuner Preset CH +" and "Zone 2 ON/OFF" buttons on the front panel. Release your fingers when "Network Reset" is displayed on the front panel. "Complete" will display when the reset has completed.

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4. Microprocessor Reset (aka "Reset to original factory settings" to include erasing the Audyssey settings although does not roll back the firmware)

Notes:
- On all models, if you are able to access the menu, new this year, you can also do the microprocessor reset by going to SETUP - GENERAL - RESET - ALL SETTINGS
- Prior to resetting the microprocessor, you can SAVE the config/settings (to include Audyssey settings) to a USB thumb drive using the SETUP - GENERAL - SAVE & LOAD setting and then LOAD the file back after the microprocessor reset.

S650H - p. 198

1 - Turn off the power using ON/STANDBY on the front panel.
2 - Press ON/STANDBY while simultaneously pressing "TUNE +" and "TUNE -"
3 - Remove your fingers when "Initialized" appears on the front panel display.

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S750H - p. 227
S950H - p. 238
X1600H - p. 233
X2600H - p. 242
X3600H - p.

1 - Turn off the power using ON/STANDBY on the front panel.
2 - Press ON/STANDBY while simultaneously pressing: S750H/S950H/X1600H/X2600H/X3600H - "TUNER PRESET CH +" and "TUNER PRESET CH -"
3 - Remove your fingers when "Initialized" appears on the front panel display.

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5. Factory Firmware Restore

1 - Turn off the power using ON/STANDBY.
2 - Simultaneously press/hold the: S650H - "INFO" and "SLEEP; S750H/S950H - "BAND" and "MODE"; X1600H/X2600H/X3600H - "TUNER PRESET CH-" and "DIMMER" buttons on the front panel and then press/release the ON/STANDBY button on the front panel until you see “Restoring FW” on the unit’s display. This procedure will take 15-20 minutes to restore to the original factory firmware.

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Firmware Updates

(1) Firmware updates for all 2019 models should be available via Denon's website and can be downloaded and installed via USB thumb drive. You will need to enter the serial number of the AVR at the website page to obtain the update. Note this is the only method to update the S550BT as it is not a networking model. I provide a detailed description of how to do a USB update in post 6301 of this thread linked here.

(2) Firmware updates for the network models (ie. S650H and higher) can also be installed by the owner via an internet connection to the Denon servers. Although it's not necessary to update your unit if you are not experiencing any problems, it's generally a good idea to keep it updated so that if there are any problems with the update the unit will still be covered under warranty. The update process generally doesn't take more than 30 minutes once the download begins and also generally does not erase any settings, although it's always a good idea to SAVE the config.avr file using the Setup - General - SAVE & LOAD - SAVE feature prior to doing the update just in case. Note that if the update process is stuck on "Authenticating", ensure a source other than NET/USB is selected and just let it continue for up to a few hours and it should eventually begin the update process (although note that Denon's servers have been known to crash the first day of release due to the overload, so you may want to wait a few days before trying again). One prior model year owner found that disconnecting ALL sources to the AVR enabled the unit to connect to the Denon servers and update the firmware when the update process had previously been unsuccessful.

If the update fails, press and hold the <Power ON> button on the main unit for more than 5 seconds, or remove and re-insert the power cord. After about 1 minute, “Please wait” appears on the display and the update should restart. If the error continues, check the network environment to include: (a) setting <Network Control> to "OFF in Standby", (b) cycling the DHCP setting on the AVR, or (c) using a static IP address.

During the update, the AVR will go into Standby mode, but will continue to update status on the front panel display. If the update seems to be hung up (ie. goes beyond 1 hour) ... power the AVR to Standby, unplug it for a few minutes and power back on and attempt the update again. If the update fails to load, check the network environment (ie. reset the router, replace the router with a more current/robust model, or ideally wire directly to the router if connecting wirelessly) If still not having any luck with the update, perform a Network Reset as described in post 5 above. You may also want to consider purchasing a long (100'+) Cat5/6 cable for network updates only for a higher probability of a successful install.

You will be notified automatically when there is a firmware update when the AVR is turned ON as long as the Notification Update setting is set to ON (factory default). For more information refer to Setup - General - Firmware - Notifications -Update in the Owner's manual. To manually check for an update, refer to Setup - General - Firmware - Update - Check for Update.

(3) What is my unit's current firmware version? The current firmware version can be determined from the AVR's menu: Setup --> General --> Information --> Firmware Version.

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3D Immersive Audio formats:

Dolby Atmos + Dolby Surround upmixer (aka DSU; simulates audio to height/ceiling speakers from non-Atmos BD/DVDs)

The X2600H/X1600H/S950H/S750H are all capable of Atmos 5.2.2 (ie. 2 height speaker maximum). You will have the choice of selecting the specific speaker pair to be used as the Atmos Height speakers (except Top Rear or Rear Height which are only selectable on the X3600H). If able to install in-ceiling or on-ceiling mounted speakers, the best location will be "Top Middle" and directly above and slightly forward of your seated position.




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(1) Speaker abbreviations used in this thread: Subwoofer (SW), Front L/R (FL/FR), Center (C), Surround L/R (SL/SR); Surround Back L/R (SBL/SBR); Front Height L/R (FHL/FHR); Top Front L/R (TFL/TFR); Top Middle L/R (TML/TMR); Front Dolby L/R (FDL/FDR); Surround Dolby L/R (SDL/SDR).

(2) If you only have a 2.0/2.1/3.0/3.1 setup, you can still add 2 height (FH, TF, TM, or DF) speakers for a 2.X.2 or 3.X.2 Atmos only setup (ie. DTS:X requires 5.1.2 setup). However, when adding 2 Surround Back speakers you must first have a 5.1 setup, although you can simply move the "side surround" speakers behind you but must still connect them to the "Surround" speaker posts.

(3) If you already have in-ceiling "side" surrounds for a 5.1 setup, you can do a 3.1.2 setup configuring the ceiling surrounds as Top Middle or with a 5.1.2 setup, if you can add (a) Front Heights (front wall mounted), (b) Top Fronts (in-ceiling or ceiling mounted a few feet forward and above the FL/FR speakers), or (c) Front Dolby (upward firing speakers placed on top of (or near) the FL/FR speakers. Yet another option would be to add some floor side surrounds and configure the current ceiling speakers as Top Middle.

(4) For more detailed questions and additional information on Dolby Atmos, please refer to the Official Dolby Atmos thread.

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When expanding the X3600H from 9CH --> 11CH, the most cost effective solution is to purchase a smaller amp (eg. 50W AudioSource Amp100VS2) or re-purpose an existing AVR that you are replacing to power the second set of Height speakers. Another option for much higher cost is to purchase a much more powerful amp (eg. 300W Emotiva XPA-2) and power the Front L/R speakers.


50W, 12 lb solution
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...2C74241PTYPSTE

300W, 35 lb solution
https://www.amazon.com/Emotiva-Audio...p_ob_title_def


Connection:
a. A set of RCA cables would be used to connect either the Front L/R or Height2 L/R pre-outs (depending on amp selected) on the back of the X3600H to the L/R inputs on the external amp.
b. If using the AudioSource Amp100VS, connect to the MAIN/Line 2 inputs.
c. If using an old AVR, you would connect from the X3600H pre-outs to one of the stereo analog audio inputs (eg. CD) of the old AVR and then connect the speakers to the Front L/R speaker posts on the old AVR.


IMPORTANT: Ensure all amps are powered off when making cable/speaker wire connections.

Volume:
If the external amp/AVR has a volume knob, set it to at least 80% of maximum.

Setting:
If using an old AVR, set it to DIRECT sound mode.

Once the amp and speakers are connected, and the amp is powered on, run Audyssey again to add these new speakers into your setup using the following AMP ASSIGN setting:

If the external amp is used for the Height 2 speakers:

Assign Mode: 11.1
Floor
- Layout
: 5ch & SB
Height
– Height Sp
: 4ch
- Layout: Front Height + Rear Height (or whatever 2 settings are available that you want to use)
- Pre-out: Height2

Note: The above PREOUT setting simply identifies which speaker pre-outs are being used for the expansion .... you can externally power as many other speakers as desired as all the pre-outs are hot such that you could externally power up to all 11 speakers if you prefer.


If the external amp is used for the Front L/R speakers:

Assign Mode: 11.1
Floor
- Layout
: 5ch & SB
Height
– Height Sp
: 4ch
- Layout: Front Height + Rear Height (or whatever 2 settings are available that you want to use)
- Pre-out: Front


Note: Regardless of whether using a 9CH or 11CH configuration, if you want to use the same configuration for both Atmos and DTS:X, so you don't have to reload a new Audyssey EQ each time, you must use Layout = "Front Height + Rear Height."

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I had this question, if someone can answer it.

X3400 and x3500 have the same specs except that x3500 has a phono input. But x3400 is selling for almost half the price of X3500. I understand that the x3400 is a 2017 model but if the specs are same what difference does it make.

Are there other problems that people are reporting with X3400?
Oops! Wrong thread. Please post your question in the 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread as it is a 2018 model. Also review post 1 of both of the 2017 and 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread to learn differences in the two models.

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Oops! Wrong thread. Please post your question in the 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread as it is a 2018 model. Also review post 1 of both of the 2017 and 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread to learn differences in the two models.



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Oops! Wrong thread. Please post your question in the 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread as it is a 2018 model. Also review post 1 of both of the 2017 and 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread to learn differences in the two models.



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Will move it to the right thread. Thanks.
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I tried. But I don't get that option all the time. Don't know why.
When you select the EDIT button in the lower right portion of the post you want to delete, the following screen should display. Select the "Delete message" radio button and then select "Delete this message" bar in the lower right portion of the display.

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For those of you with a sub (or subs) capable of going <20Hz, a recent update to the MultEQ Editor app has now removed the 20Hz roll-off resulting in much more pronounced lower bass response.
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Thanks for the information! Any word on whether Marantz will have new models this year?
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Thanks for the information! Any word on whether Marantz will have new models this year?
Well, its that time already .... Yep, Marantz will have new models as well, just not announced yet.
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Thanks for the information! Any word on whether Marantz will have new models this year?
Yes. Marantz will be releasing new models as well with the exception of the SR7013 and AV7705.
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HDCP 2.3 on 2019 Denon Models

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What's new or to be added via firmware update for the 2019 models?

S650H/S750H/S950H/X1600H/X2600H/X3600H - HDCP 2.3 (X4500H/X6500H will remain at HDCP 2.2 until they are replaced in 2020)
Hey JD,

Great job as always on the new Denon AVRs! Quick question regarding HDCP 2.3 on the 2019 S650H/S750H/S950H/X1600H/X2600H/X3600H models. I know that HDCP 2.3 was finalized last year but was unable to find complete info on how it compares to HDCP 2.2. I understand that it's mostly an addition to include 8K and higher content protection along with stronger protection, is that correct or are there other content compatibility issues to consider?

I know that HDCP 2.2 was essentially about 4K copy protection and very important for 4k media connected to the earlier Denon AVRs so is 2.3 essentially also including 8K and higher - or does it give these 2019 Denons any other HDCP capabilities/compatibilities?

https://www.digital-cp.com/hdcp-specifications
https://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.ph...urity-hdcp-esm
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2019...cure-hdcp-2-3/

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Hey JD,

Great job as always on the new Denon AVRs! Quick question regarding HDCP 2.3 on the 2019 S650H/S750H/S950H/X1600H/X2600H/X3600H models. I know that HDCP 2.3 was finalized last year but was unable to find complete info on how it compares to HDCP 2.2. I understand that it's mostly an addition to include 8K and higher content protection along with stronger protection, is that correct or are there other content compatibility issues to consider?

I know that HDCP 2.2 was essentially about 4K copy protection and very important for 4k media connected to the earlier Denon AVRs so is 2.3 essentially also including 8K and higher - or does it give these 2019 Denons any other HDCP capabilities/compatibilities?

https://www.digital-cp.com/hdcp-specifications
https://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.ph...urity-hdcp-esm
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2019...cure-hdcp-2-3/

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Don't know any more than you at this point.
I’m concerned about interoperability between HDCP 2.3 and 2.2 components. Logic says they should work together, but it seems like a ton of compatibility issues are plausible.

Note, the S650H has 5 HDMI inputs not 6 according to the manual.
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I’m concerned about interoperability between HDCP 2.3 and 2.2 components. Logic says they should work together, but it seems like a ton of compatibility issues are plausible.

Note, the S650H has 5 HDMI inputs not 6 according to the manual.
Yup, thanks for catching the typo.
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Any indication that the new models will support some sort of wireless surround speakers?
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Any mention of HDR10+ passthrough?
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Any mention of HDR10+ passthrough?
No mention of either feature in the released Owner manuals.
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Possible release date for the S650H/S750H/S950H models: 29th April, 2019 according to Amazon.
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Question Denon S740H vs S750H?

Any thoughts on the Denon S740H ($479 list; $349 Amazon) vs S750H ($499 List)?
Looking at to replace an older Sony AVR without newest HDCP for my mother-in-law.


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- S740H - MSRP $479, 7.2 CH, 75W, HDMI In/Out (6/1) - avail April
Upgrading from the S640H adds a front HDMI input and two more audio channels for a 7CH model, Atmos/DTS:X 5.2.2, DTS:X.
It features 5.1 + Zone 2 capability using the Surround Back speaker posts for Zone 2.
There are no Zone 2 pre-outs. No noticeable difference in power. DTS Virtual:X (simulates height audio when using a 5.1 configuration but Audyssey is disabled).
Able to use the MultEQ Editor app (iOS/Android; $20).
32 bit AK4458VN DAC (as well as on all higher level models up to the X6500H).
This is the lowest model that can use the Audyssey MultEQ Editor iOS/Android app ($20).

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...ivers/avrs740h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS740H/NA/EN/index.php


From post #1 Above:
- S750H - MSRP $499, 7.2 CH, 75W, HDMI In/Out (6/1) - avail April
Upgrading from the S650H adds a front HDMI input and two more audio channels for a 7CH model, Atmos/DTS:X 5.2.2.
It features 5.1 + Zone 2 capability using the Surround Back speaker posts for Zone 2.
There are no Zone 2 pre-outs. No noticeable difference in power. DTS Virtual:X (simulates height audio when using a 5.1 configuration but Audyssey is disabled).
Dolby Height Virtualizer.
Able to use the MultEQ Editor app (iOS/Android; $20).
32 bit AK4458VN DAC (as well as on all higher level models up to the X6500H).
This is the lowest model that can use the Audyssey MultEQ Editor iOS/Android app ($20).

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...ivers/avrs750h

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS750H/NA/EN/index.php

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Any thoughts on the Denon S740H ($479 list; $349 Amazon) vs S750H ($499 List)?
Main differences in favor of S750H?

1. Dolby Height Virtualizer or Dolby Virtual Speaker (a Dolby equivalent of DTS Virtual:X);
2. HDMI-eARC - very good feature if streaming services add lossless audio - in my opinion, eARC is worth the price difference;

Both can be irrelevant to your case..., so S740H can serve very well...

Main differences against S750H?

1. S750H comes with a restriction: DSU upmixing is restricted to Dolby soundtracks (DD/DD+);

Can also be irrelevant to your case..., so S740H can serve very well, again...
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Main differences in favor of S750H?

1. Dolby Height Virtualizer or Dolby Virtual Speaker (a Dolby equivalent of DTS Virtual:X);
2. HDMI-eARC - very good feature if streaming services add lossless audio - in my opinion, eARC is worth the price difference;

Both can be irrelevant to your case..., so S740H can serve very well...

Main differences against S750H?

1. S750H comes with a restriction: DSU upmixing is restricted to Dolby soundtracks (DD/DD+);

Can also be irrelevant to your case..., so S740H can serve very well, again...
Thanks, that is helpful.
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I hope you guys can point me in the right direction.


My 10 year old Denon 1610 died so I am looking for a new AVR.

Now I would like to have to spend as little as possible but at the same time I want my next AVR to be some what "future proof" example eARC, Dolby virtual X and Dolby Height Virtualizer.


Now let me just say like with my 1610 I will once again only being using a 5.1 setup at least for a while anyway.

What I really would like to know is since I will be using "Dolby virtual X and Dolby Height Virtualizer" modes the most with my 5.1 speakers does it even make any sense getting the X2600H over the S950H? Since from my understanding Audyssey MultEQ XT is not even used when using "Dolby virtual X and Dolby Height Virtualizer" modes.

My room is medium size at best and my speakers while good to my ears are not what you would call even close to high end maybe not even middle end lol.

Also would I hear a big difference between 75W, 90W and 95W?

The $499 price tag of S750H is so tempting but I would be willing to spend more if the S950H or X2600H would have a very noticeable sound improvement.

I am hoping this new AVR will last me another 10 years!

I am just afraid I will throw extra money for extra features that I may not even need.


And last thing is Denon still really good?

I have seen a lot of bad reviews for Denon AVR's this past year which worries me a little.

I loved my Denon 16109 for the last 10 years though!

Thanks
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