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Out of game for a while, looking for some help picking a receivre

Been out of the A/V game for a while so I’m not really up on all the stuff that’s been happening in the industry the past 7 years or so. I was wondering if I could get some help choosing a receiver. I can read and understand specs without a problem, but it’s the nuances(like DAC quality) and general company reputations and experience that this forum brings that I was hoping to bring to the table.

What I’m looking for in order of importance from most to least:
1. $500 with a possibility to $600 at Best Buy if the $100 jump is worth it
2. Preferably available at Best Buy(I’m using gift certificates), but willing to use any other retailer a if the deal is good enough
3. 4k upscaling, BT2020, support for all versions of HDR with passthrough. This is higher on the list than sound quality since this will be my hub, pretty much everything in this price has sufficient enough sound quality anyway, and I want it as future proof as possible
4. 7.2 channels. 9.2 would be nice, but I don’t need it as I don’t ever anticipate having a room big enough to need this.
5. As many surround formats as possible
6. Sound quality. It’s not in a huge room, so power isn’t a huge selling point. Considering my room and speaker size everything in my price range has enough power.
7. Varied streaming service support
8. Wireless speaker support(not referring to Bluetooth): I’m not really sold on this.

Here’s the ones I have, but if anyone knows of a really good deal from anywhere else at $500 I’d be cool with that.
I'm leaning towards the Pioneer VSXLX504 or Onkyo Tx-RZ830, simply because the deal on those
With the list below, is there anything that screams "YES that one" or "NO Don't get that one"?

Best Buy
  • Denon AVRX2500H $399.98($799 Retail pricematch Amz) BB
  • Pioneer VSXLX104 $499.98 BB
  • Yamaha RX-A680BL $549.98 BB
  • Onkyo TX-NR787 $446 BB(price match Amz)
  • Pioneer VSXLX503 $599.98($1k retail) BB

Amazon
  • Onkyo TX-RZ830 $499($1399 retail)
  • Pioneer VSX-LX303 $399.99


Thanks for any help!

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Yamaha of course is known for reliability but only 7 channels, just like the x2500h and lx104. The onkyo rz630/730/830, nr787 and lx503 are all 9 channels, have a ton of features and are all on sale too. Not sure about your location but the rz830 is on sale directly from Onkyo and Amz for an amazing price. You get up to 11 channels, all the new features and it even got the earc update as well.



The lx504 and rz840 will probably be closer to $1k so the rz830 and lx503 have the most features available. If you have dual subs then get a miniDSP. I don't own any of these so this is just my $.02.


Some research data for you here! https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2980794-onkyo-avrs-tx-rz630-tx-rz730-tx-rz830-introduced.html






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Yamaha of course is known for reliability but only 7 channels, just like the x2500h and lx104. The onkyo rz630/730/830, nr787 and lx503 are all 9 channels, have a ton of features and are all on sale too. Not sure about your location but the rz830 is on sale directly from Onkyo and Amz for an amazing price. You get up to 11 channels, all the new features and it even got the earc update as well.



The lx504 and rz840 will probably be closer to $1k so the rz830 and lx503 have the most features available. If you have dual subs then get a miniDSP. I don't own any of these so this is just my $.02.


Some research data for you here! https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2980794-onkyo-avrs-tx-rz630-tx-rz730-tx-rz830-introduced.html






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Thanks! That was super helpful.
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OK sorry just to throw a major wrench in things, I just saw that the x3500h is on sale now too. Check the great deals thread.


7 channels, dual hdmi out, full preouts, phono and one of the best available room correction solutions in xt32 with subeq ht
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Onkyo 830 here with 5.1.4 and happy with it commanding the scene. I think it's $450 on Onkyo's site. For <$600 you would be a fool to not get this. Sure the haters will tell you they suck but I haven't heard one complaint on the 830 plus the company that probably makes their AVR just bought Onkyo so they are now hating on their own brand. Don't get some used out of date Denon... Please....
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Onkyo 830 here with 5.1.4 and happy with it commanding the scene. I think it's $450 on Onkyo's site. For <$600 you would be a fool to not get this. Sure the haters will tell you they suck but I haven't heard one complaint on the 830 plus the company that probably makes their AVR just bought Onkyo so they are now hating on their own brand. Don't get some used out of date Denon... Please....
The TX-RZ830 looks like a real bargain. The obvious things that you give up as compared to a Denon AVR-X3500H or higher model is dual independent sub outputs, and no Audyssey XT32. I have no idea how Onkyo's proprietary room correction software compares to Audyssey.

Unfortunately, the 830 is listed as out of stock at the Onkyo USA web site. It's still available elsewhere (like Amazon, authorized dealer). Not at Best Buy, unfortunately.

I don't own an Onkyo AVR. I assume that the HDMI board problems that people complained about are of the past, and irrelevant to the newer models.
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OK sorry just to throw a major wrench in things, I just saw that the x3500h is on sale now too. Check the great deals thread.


7 channels, dual hdmi out, full preouts, phono and one of the best available room correction solutions in xt32 with subeq ht
Where is it on sale and what is price? I can only find for 999 everywhere
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Where is it on sale and what is price? I can only find for 999 everywhere

No discussing prices or places to buy here, so check the deals thread. But i can confirm that everything is on sale today at place that rhymes with Try's. 2018 Pioneer elites, 2018 Denon x series and the onkyo 686.



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No discussing prices or places to buy here, so check the deals thread. But i can confirm that everything is on sale today at place that rhymes with Try's. 2018 Pioneer elites, 2018 Denon x series and the onkyo 686.



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LOL no TRYs in my area and the deal is in store only. Thanks for TRYing lol
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LOL no TRYs in my area and the deal is in store only. Thanks for TRYing lol

Damn sorry bro! Yea when the new stuff comes out, maybe the x3500 will go back on sale?
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Damn sorry bro! Yea when the new stuff comes out, maybe the x3500 will go back on sale?
I would have loved to get the 3500H but could not find for under 1k so I got the 2500H. Was really between 1500H and 2500H in my budget. Ended up getting a Sony XBR75X800G too.
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The Onkyo 830 is an excellent bargain right now. I just saw it on sale as well, so if you're considering a 9 channel AVR, this might be the best alternative.

If you plan to go with 7 channels, they also have the Denon X2400H for an amazing price as well. This is what I just replaced my Onkyo 656 with.

As stated, check the deals sticky, and good luck with your hunt.
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I would have loved to get the 3500H but could not find for under 1k so I got the 2500H. Was really between 1500H and 2500H in my budget. Ended up getting a Sony XBR75X800G too.

How do you like the x2500h? I like the phono plus a little more power over the x1500, but for a little more I can have full preouts plus xt32 in x3500h. I am torn!
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Don't get some used out of date Denon... Please....

I did this....an ancient Denon 2807...Unless I haven't got tweaked for maximum effect, I am shocked how wimpy and underpowered this thing is...Otoh, I am coming from an equally ancient Yamaha Yamaha RX-V1800 , but that thing was mind blowingly powerful,...130 watts per channel I think. Just massive amounts of power , even at moderate volume,it just had this density to the sound. The Denon does have a richness to the sound that one I had a while back also had, but the lackluster power has me thinking the $60 bucks I paid for it may have been too much LOL....I only needed the two HDMI inputs and I like all processing turned off anyway, so figured I would try the Denon. I'm fairly certain that to get an modern receiver that equalled the Yamaha in output would require way over 1k ( I think the Yamaha new was $1.3k) ...the setup on the Denon took some trial and error and only needed to refer to the manual a time or two...Since I'm not in a position just yet to get what I REALLY want , an Outlaw audio preamp and power amp, I'll fiddle more with the Denon to try to get it improved it's output
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Is there actually any real difference between the Onkyo 656, 676, 686 and 830? They all have pretty much the same features besides the marketing fluff.
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How do you like the x2500h? I like the phono plus a little more power over the x1500, but for a little more I can have full preouts plus xt32 in x3500h. I am torn!
Just got it last night and have not had time to mess too much with it. Was up til 1am getting everything together and mounted up. Without even trying out diff settings, it already sounds better than my old VSX-1121. I need to get another pair of speakers to round it all out.

For me the diff between 1500H and 2500H was $100 no worries; but then to go to 3500H was an additional $500 so double the cost of 2500H. For my usage, I could not justify the x2 price.
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Just got it last night and have not had time to mess too much with it. Was up til 1am getting everything together and mounted up. Without even trying out diff settings, it already sounds better than my old VSX-1121. I need to get another pair of speakers to round it all out.

For me the diff between 1500H and 2500H was $100 no worries; but then to go to 3500H was an additional $500 so double the cost of 2500H. For my usage, I could not justify the x2 price.
Yea I hear ya! I am looking for the best video connections for the kids play area. Still deciding between x3500h, rz830 and lx503 for the living room theater.
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