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I just setup new Anthem MRX 1120 using Genesis. I'm used to Audessey. Where do I send generation file to have support evaluate my settings. I have 2 subs and want to ensure my bass settings are correct
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I updated ARC Genesis with 1.2.2 and did the basic 5 position measurement as per the instructions in the X pattern raising and lowering the mic 6" above and below ear position and this is what I ended up with (PDF file attached) The crossover for the mains is 100 and surrounds at 80? Also, the Center channel is sounding very low. Overall its like the sound is compressed. Decided to just turn it off for now. Any suggestions!
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Thanks everyone. I turned off the HP/LP filters on the sub amps tonight. After re-running Arc and varying the mic height, I was able to get the curve to look MUCH better.

Now I need to listen to the system to see how it sounds. The initial listen is a very crisp and tight bass response.

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I updated ARC Genesis with 1.2.2 and did the basic 5 position measurement as per the instructions in the X pattern raising and lowering the mic 6" above and below ear position and this is what I ended up with (PDF file attached) The crossover for the mains is 100 and surrounds at 80? Also, the Center channel is sounding very low. Overall its like the sound is compressed. Decided to just turn it off for now. Any suggestions!
when that happens set a profile with everything to flat, cut the max correction down to 200hz, set all your channels to 80hz and take it from there. Sometimes the minimal are the best settings. I like +2 on the room gain and +3 on the deep bass
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when that happens set a profile with everything to flat, cut the max correction down to 200hz, set all your channels to 80hz and take it from there. Sometimes the minimal are the best settings. I like +2 on the room gain and +3 on the deep bass
Hi Eyecatcher! Do I make those changes in the Professional Mode? Sorry but I haven't messed around with it before so I'm a little lost with the suggestions you make. Thanks for your help!

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I ran ARC again on my office system and I made sure to vary the mic height between measurements. I'm very happy with how the system sounds. The vocals are super clear & transparent, and the bass is fast & articulate.

In my office, I'm running an 8" Totem Storm sub, so it's very different from the two 18" LMS Ultra 5400" in sealed boxes in my theatre. Not surprisingly, ARC put different curves against the subs between the two systems. The theatre is using a flat curve whereas the office uses a 9th order curve. Is this to accommodate the less low-end extension from the tiny Totem Storm?

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Hi Eyecatcher! Do I make those changes in the Professional Mode? Sorry but I haven't messed around with it before so I'm a little lost with the suggestions you make. Thanks for your help!
Yes switch the preference to Professional Mode. That mode allows you to modify the auto calculated settings and change target curves etc. Thats where the fun begins. Open your saved profile in make changes save again and upload it.
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Yes switch the preference to Professional Mode. That mode allows you to modify the auto calculated settings and change target curves etc. Thats where the fun begins. Open your saved profile in make changes save again and upload it.
Just realized I didn't save the file after uploading, gonna measure again but this time in Professional mode and see what happens. Any suggestions before I run the measurement?

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Here is a good video on ARC Genesis that will answer alot of questions.


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Go with the Beta Firmware, Beta ARC and Maximum Correction Frequency: 350 Hz on all channels with the following target settings. It's about as good as I could get it and I've been at this for years.

Room Gain: 1.75 dB
Room Gain Center Frequency: 200 Hz
Deep Bass Boost: 3.25 dB
Deep Bass Boost Center Frequency: 50 Hz
Maximum Correction Frequency: 350 Hz
Thanks for the settings suggestions. They got me to try some combinations of settings I hadn't used before and the results are much better than what I was getting before.

My room was autocalculated at 4.5dB room gain. I reduced that to 2 dB, added 3 db to the Deep Bass Boost, Gain Center to 150 Hz, and reduced correction frequency to 200 Hz.

Room Gain: 2 dB
Room Gain Center Frequency: 150 Hz
Deep Bass Boost: 3 dB
Deep Bass Boost Center Frequency: 50 Hz
Maximum Correction Frequency: 200 Hz

The key was to flatten the curve created by the room Gain and add that bass down low. The mid bass Boost was muddying things up and reducing clarity. I can live with ARC with these settings and it seems they improved my bass integration without screwing anything else up.
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Thanks for the settings suggestions. They got me to try some combinations of settings I hadn't used before and the results are much better than what I was getting before.

My room was autocalculated at 4.5dB room gain. I reduced that to 2 dB, added 3 db to the Deep Bass Boost, Gain Center to 150 Hz, and reduced correction frequency to 200 Hz.

Room Gain: 2 dB
Room Gain Center Frequency: 150 Hz
Deep Bass Boost: 3 dB
Deep Bass Boost Center Frequency: 50 Hz
Maximum Correction Frequency: 200 Hz

The key was to flatten the curve created by the room Gain and add that bass down low. The mid bass Boost was muddying things up and reducing clarity. I can live with ARC with these settings and it seems they improved my bass integration without screwing anything else up.
Thats great. I was going to update that post because I arrived on the same exact target settings with the room gain, boost center and max correction. They are certainly the most sensitive setting in Genesis to adjust. My speakers are +/- 1db anechoeic 3 way with a dedicated midrange driver with an internal crossover around 250hz so the gain definetly hinders their clarity in the midrange frequencies (typically considered 250Hz and up). With the minimal settings it also makes it possible to use Dolby Volume if you wanted to. With the leveler off before it would get way to bloated in bass and midrange.

I also moved to a 10 position measurement, positions 6 and 9 are just different heights forward and rear from center of main listening position and 8 and 10 are to the side of it.
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Thats great. I was going to update that post because I arrived on the same exact target settings with the room gain, boost center and max correction. They are certainly the most sensitive setting in Genesis to adjust. My speakers are +/- 1db anechoeic 3 way with a dedicated midrange driver with an internal crossover around 250hz so the gain definetly hinders their clarity in the midrange frequencies (typically considered 250Hz and up). With the minimal settings it also makes it possible to use Dolby Volume if you wanted to. With the leveler off before it would get way to bloated in bass and midrange.

I also moved to a 10 position measurement, positions 6 and 9 are just different heights forward and rear from center of main listening position and 8 and 10 are to the side of it.
I'm happy with my current 5 position results, so I'm not going down the measurement rabbit hole . What speakers you running? On axis FR is super important, but off axis response and sound power are also critical measurements that determine how a speaker lights up the room and impacts the LP. Floyd Toole's position is that well designed speakers require little, if any, correction above Schroeder in typical rooms. There is so much conflicting advice in this area, but my personal experience and room seem to correlate with that, and apparently yours too.
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I agree. And no speaker is perfect but I'm running Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers and Horizon Center with the RAAL Upgrade, HTM200's for surrounds and a Rythmik F15HP sealed sub I've tried many times but always go back to less correction and focus on good bass management. http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...on%20Tower.pdf If you like to read and research, Floyd's information is very good and is many of the Harman studies. Another good document while dated is https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/fil...mendations.pdf where they also recommended that any low-pass filter internal to the subwoofer should be set no higher than 120Hz. I prefer to have mine set at 80hz, but this is something I most often see neglected on this forum as many vendors recommend LFE which bypasses the low pass filters. A lot of users are not taking advantage of Anthems ability to eq a perfect slope on high frequency extension of a sub.

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I just setup new Anthem MRX 1120 using Genesis. I'm used to Audessey. Where do I send generation file to have support evaluate my settings. I have 2 subs and want to ensure my bass settings are correct

I decided to keep my Marantz SR8012 11.2-Channel with Audessey
Much easier and I'm happy with the sound.

Thanks all for your help
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Getting back to running ARC again today. Went in to my test tones and something really odd happens with my subs. For my speakers, adjusting the levels up or down impacts SPL. But for the sub channel, SPL does not change...I..e, +10 is the same as -10 on my SPL meter (and to my ears). Also makes a more high pitched test tone noise than I'm used to with subs.

Anyone have any idea why that is? My subs are DIY's connected to a Funk Audio 2x2400 rack amp.

Also, thought I had bookmarked an ARC subwoofer guide (i.e., can't recall how "loud" to set the subs before running ARC ... think it was 72db for duals but can't recall).

Odd. If I am just watching TV and I adjust the gain on the Funk Audio amp, it clearly increases or decreases SPL.

But when I am running a calibration level test tone on the subwoofer, neither the AVR's adjustment nor the gain adjustment on the sub amp impacts SPL levels.

 

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Getting back to running ARC again today. Went in to my test tones and something really odd happens with my subs. For my speakers, adjusting the levels up or down impacts SPL. But for the sub channel, SPL does not change...I..e, +10 is the same as -10 on my SPL meter (and to my ears). Also makes a more high pitched test tone noise than I'm used to with subs.

Anyone have any idea why that is? My subs are DIY's connected to a Funk Audio 2x2400 rack amp.

Also, thought I had bookmarked an ARC subwoofer guide (i.e., can't recall how "loud" to set the subs before running ARC ... think it was 72db for duals but can't recall).

Odd. If I am just watching TV and I adjust the gain on the Funk Audio amp, it clearly increases or decreases SPL.

But when I am running a calibration level test tone on the subwoofer, neither the AVR's adjustment nor the gain adjustment on the sub amp impacts SPL levels.
I reported similar months ago here. My symptoms were the test tone for the sub cut out at +4DB and the sub went into protection mode, and when playing content above a certain volume and frequency the sub was making a weird popping noise as if it was faulty, yet the built in test sweeps in the sub were fine at any volume. Anthem said it might be the sub out on the AVR, Martin Logan said it might be sub amp I personally feel it was to do with firmware updates.

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I don't see how it is the subout or the sub amp. The subs would fine with content. When ARC does its sweep subs sound fine. When I ran a first sweep it recommended setting the sub 3db lower so I did that with the sub amplifier gain. Reran arc and didn't get the same message.

It is literally just with the calibration level mode that nothing works for the subs. So weird.

Odd question for folks... When you run the calibrate speaker levels in the anthem does the sub tone sound higher pitched?

Edit:I'm assuming it is the AVM at this point. You can hear the tone in the video below. But more importantly the set level tone doesn't even trigger both subwoofers, only one. But both subs are definitely working with content.


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I don't see how it is the subout or the sub amp. The subs would fine with content. When ARC does its sweep subs sound fine. When I ran a first sweep it recommended setting the sub 3db lower so I did that with the sub amplifier gain. Reran arc and didn't get the same message.

It is literally just with the calibration level mode that nothing works for the subs. So weird.

Odd question for folks... When you run the calibrate speaker levels in the anthem does the sub tone sound higher pitched?

Edit:I'm assuming it is the AVM at this point. You can hear the tone in the video below. But more importantly the set level tone doesn't even trigger both subwoofers, only one. But both subs are definitely working with content.

https://youtu.be/EnZVf5W8Gn0
Exactly. Neither Anthem or Martin Logan support could identify the problem nor myself or this community. I am quite certain it's a bug in the AVR software. I am finishing my new sub build and if it does the same with the new sub its the AVR for certain.

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It is literally just with the calibration level mode that nothing works for the subs. So weird.

Odd question for folks... When you run the calibrate speaker levels in the anthem does the sub tone sound higher pitched?

Edit:I'm assuming it is the AVM at this point. You can hear the tone in the video below. But more importantly the set level tone doesn't even trigger both subwoofers, only one. But both subs are definitely working with content.

Nope. that's funky. Mine does not at all do that. Mine has that nice, lower rumble that it is supposed to produce. And it does trigger both subs (I always check). Using XRLs FWIW....

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Nope. that's funky. Mine does not at all do that. Mine has that nice, lower rumble that it is supposed to produce. And it does trigger both subs (I always check). Using XRLs FWIW....
Maybe I will try a full factory reset, which is a bit of a pain to set up all the inputs again unless they can be saved. Need to check what firmware I'm on, update that maybe while I'm at it.

I am also using XLRs.

 

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Maybe I will try a full factory reset, which is a bit of a pain to set up all the inputs again unless they can be saved. Need to check what firmware I'm on, update that maybe while I'm at it.

I am also using XLRs.

There is a save settings feature in the menu, but I don't honestly know what it does. Does it really save things to be re-loaded after a factory default reset? Don't know....

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There is a save settings feature in the menu, but I don't honestly know what it does. Does it really save things to be re-loaded after a factory default reset? Don't know....
The save user settings does work and saves your settings but if you do a factory reset you'll loose everything and the unit will be back to just like the day you bought it. The only thing I think it keeps is the firmware you last updated to.

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I'll try the save user settings one first...then do a full factory reset if that doesn't work.

 

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The save user settings does work and saves your settings but if you do a factory reset you'll loose everything and the unit will be back to just like the day you bought it. The only thing I think it keeps is the firmware you last updated to.
Ah, too bad it can't keep them and allow a restore after a factory reset, at least all of the inputs that can take a while to create, as pbc pointed out...

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I guess I could also drag my SB-13 Ultra over into that room and try that sub connected only to the AVM-60 to see if it reacts differently. But I'm not looking forward to moving it. It's small, but heavy!

 

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I guess I could also drag my SB-13 Ultra over into that room and try that sub connected only to the AVM-60 to see if it reacts differently. But I'm not looking forward to moving it. It's small, but heavy!

Yeah, that's what I'm using. I know, pain in the butt, but would be interesting to see what it did...so, heave ho! Easy for me to say....

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I don't see how it is the subout or the sub amp. The subs would fine with content. When ARC does its sweep subs sound fine. When I ran a first sweep it recommended setting the sub 3db lower so I did that with the sub amplifier gain. Reran arc and didn't get the same message.

It is literally just with the calibration level mode that nothing works for the subs. So weird.

Odd question for folks... When you run the calibrate speaker levels in the anthem does the sub tone sound higher pitched?

Edit:I'm assuming it is the AVM at this point. You can hear the tone in the video below. But more importantly the set level tone doesn't even trigger both subwoofers, only one. But both subs are definitely working with content.

https://youtu.be/EnZVf5W8Gn0
My sub tone too seems very high pitched and is a bit unsettling. My speakers are easy to work with and are pretty flat regardless to 80Hz and ARC does little with them which I’m fine with but the subs are literally the worst things ever invented and it’s affecting my mental health. I’m having all the problems of a major theme park and a major zoo...

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[QUOTE=Norris Kasey;59621624]Here is a good video on ARC Genesis that will answer alot of questions.


Many thanks Norris!

I got a lot out of watching this youtube video.
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Not sure if it’s been answered but running latest beta, why are my levels still hot compared to my manual SPL meter? Few Db most of the time hotter than what the meter is saying. I find myself running ARC then using the meter to dial in the levels. Is that wrong?

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Or is that the room gain in arc doing it?

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