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Budget AVR/Stereo Receiver mainly for music

Hi Everyone,
Please suggest me budget AVR/Stereo receiver and bookshelf speakers for 70% music and 30% movies.

Budget for AVR - $300 (Will stereo receiver be a better option than AVR? As I will be using the system mainly for music, will not be adding surround speakers in the near future for movies. Suggest which option will be better of both.)
Budget for Bookshelf Speakers - $150

Options that I found for AVR - Yamaha RX-V485, Denon AVR-S740H, please suggest any other option.
Options that I found for Bookshelf Speakers - Pioneer SP-BS22-LR, Micca MB42X, Sony SSCS5. Can increase the budget for speakers in case I find better VFM.

Do I need to add Subwoofer? Will there be a real need of that? If yes, I looked into Polk Audio PSW10.

Please help me with this.

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Well, I'm a sort of a newbie myself into this world of hi-fi but after reading a lot of articles on this I think I could offer some advice. On the amplifier side of things, I've always heard you're supposed to get an amplifier that's higher rated than the speakers to eliminate clipping, this translates into distortion which eventually destroys your speakers.



As for receiver brands, I've had good results with Denon never realized how crappy my other amplifier was, really opened my speakers up. I've heard people rave about the audyssey function too, haven't tried it out for myself but it seems like a good addition. On the speaker side of things, the speakers you've chosen are particularly small and would warrant the need for a subwoofer. The reason being, 3 inch to 4 inch driver's bass decreases in volume after 120hz -200hz.



If you're looking to stretch your budget on speakers look parts-express.com I've seen some well priced speakers on there. From what I can see on there, it's between the dayton mk402 and the BIC Venturi DV62si within your price range. When looking for loudspeakers, while this is not always true, if you spot push clip speaker terminals in a modern speaker, it's cheaply designed. You don't want that. Anyway, hope I helped you out.

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best bang for your buck is a refurb receiver - the Denon s740 is good.

Consider the wireless ecosystem you are buying into. most are proprietary ( Denon= HEOS; Yamaha=musicast).Play-fi is an open system ( that will be Pioneer/ Onkyo/ integra).
most receivers are network capable - meaning there will be an ap.

as for budget speakers - arguably the best bang for your buck right now is the NHT super one 2.1 from Amazon at 98 each...so slightly over your budget. just a little more: https://www.htd.com/Level-TWO-Bookshelf-Speakers

if you bump you speaker budget up just a bit more: For example: the ascend acoustics CBM 170. ( 298/pr)

yes, you'll want a sub. whole other rabbit hole and stress on the budget.

look for lists from GagCA - he has compiled some awesome list for bookshelf speakers and quality subs

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Thank you, Mark and Smith, for your help.

The NHT Super One 2.1 looks good to me. Will be ordering them.

I am a little bit confused with AVR/Stereo Recieve. As my main requirement is Music, will a stereo receiver like Sony STRDH190 work for me?
Or I should invest more and get something like Denon X1500 or Denon S740.

Also, suggest me a budget Subwoofer that I can add down the line. Had a look into Polk Audio PSW10, Dayton Audio Sub-1000 and Monoprice 9723. Any other good Subwoofer in this price range?

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Also, suggest me a budget Subwoofer that I can add down the line. Had a look into Polk Audio PSW10, Dayton Audio Sub-1000 and Monoprice 9723. Any other good Subwoofer in this price range?

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A compilation of subs: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58079066

The RSL Speedwoofer gets a lot of recommendations, but it's a $400 (list) unit.

The BIC America F-12 seems to get a lot of respect for a sub that lists for about $225US. It's available at Amazon.

I'm using a Sunfire SDS 8 with my computer speakers (https://www.amazon.com/Sunfire-SDS8-...sr=1-1-catcorr), but I can't recommend it now. It is still available, but its price has nearly doubled from what I paid for it 3 years ago.

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Thank you for your suggestion. Yeah, I had a look into BIC America F-12 and BIC Acoustech PL-200 II, I think I will wait and will add subwoofer down the line instead of investing in above-mentioned Subs at this point of time.

Any help with AVR/Stereo Receiver thing?

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Thank you, Mark and Smith, for your help.

The NHT Super One 2.1 looks good to me. Will be ordering them.

I am a little bit confused with AVR/Stereo Recieve. As my main requirement is Music, will a stereo receiver like Sony STRDH190 work for me?
Or I should invest more and get something like Denon X1500 or Denon S740.

Also, suggest me a budget Subwoofer that I can add down the line. Had a look into Polk Audio PSW10, Dayton Audio Sub-1000 and Monoprice 9723. Any other good Subwoofer in this price range?

Thanks
This is probably as low as I would go for music: The 10 inch wasn't reviewed, but it's cheaper, and probably gives much of the same performance.

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-HT...9633&s=gateway

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https://www.avsforum.com/review-polk...woofer-review/

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Thank you for your suggestion. Yeah, I had a look into BIC America F-12 and BIC Acoustech PL-200 II, I think I will wait and will add subwoofer down the line instead of investing in above-mentioned Subs at this point of time.

Any help with AVR/Stereo Receiver thing?

Thanks
I'd probably go with an AVR. My concern about a stereo receiver is that if it has a subwoofer output, it may not have a crossover. An external powered sub usually has a built-in "crossover", which I expect is really a variable low pass filter. That's fine for the sub, but the advantage to having a crossover in the receiver is that it prevents low-frequency signals from being sent to the main speakers. Lows sent to the mains may cause them to distort at relatively low volume levels, and it increase the electrical load on the amps in the receiver, to no good effect.
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You might consider the secondary used market that is craigslist. Just a thought.
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I'd probably go with an AVR. My concern about a stereo receiver is that if it has a subwoofer output, it may not have a crossover. An external powered sub usually has a built-in "crossover", which I expect is really a variable low pass filter. That's fine for the sub, but the advantage to having a crossover in the receiver is that it prevents low-frequency signals from being sent to the main speakers. Lows sent to the mains may cause them to distort at relatively low volume levels, and it increase the electrical load on the amps in the receiver, to no good effect.
get an AVR because it will have built in calibration software for speakers and sub. A stereo receiver most likely wont. Plus if you ever decide to get into home theater you'll already have an AVR for it.

SuperOnes 2.1 are a good choice for music. You can get away w/o a subwoofer for a while and it gives you time to save up for something better than the Polk PSW10 or entry level Dayton.
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get an AVR because it will have built in calibration software for speakers and sub. A stereo receiver most likely wont. Plus if you ever decide to get into home theater you'll already have an AVR for it.

SuperOnes 2.1 are a good choice for music. You can get away w/o a subwoofer for a while and it gives you time to save up for something better than the Polk PSW10 or entry level Dayton.
I agree with this.
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frys has RX-V485 on sale for incredible price with promo code 2288

https://www.frys.com/product/9543622

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Budget AVR/Stereo Receiver mainly for music

Some options both below and slightly over budget,

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_022RS2...ha-R-S202.html

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_022RN3...ha-R-N303.html

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...-w/hdmi/1.html

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ver-new/1.html

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eos-new/1.html

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-pair/1.html

On sale, infinity Reference 162’s
https://www.infinityspeakers.com/ref...ck-USA-Current

Pretty good price on these Wharfdale 10.2’s, bought myself a second pair the last time they dropped to $225.
https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...r-awfdia102blk

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Thank you everyone, for valuable suggestions. I will be waiting for the subwoofer and will add later in the future.

Guys, please help me with finalizing the AVR. Below are the options right now.

1. Yamaha RXV-485BL - $178 (New)
2. Pioneer VSX-933 - $239 (New)
3. DENON AVR-S740H - $229 (Refurbished)
4. Denon AVR-X1400H - $279 (Refurbished)
5. Denon AVR-X1500H - $279 (Refurbished)
6. Onkyo TX-NR686 - $200 (New)

Any other options?

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Thank you everyone, for valuable suggestions. I will be waiting for the subwoofer and will add later in the future.



Guys, please help me with finalizing the AVR. Below are the options right now.



1. Yamaha RXV-485BL - $178 (New)

2. Pioneer VSX-933 - $239 (New)

3. DENON AVR-S740H - $229 (Refurbished)

4. Denon AVR-X1400H - $279 (Refurbished)

5. Denon AVR-X1500H - $279 (Refurbished)

6. Onkyo TX-NR686 - $248 (New) May get additional discount on it.



Any other options?


I’d go with #1 and spend the rest of the budget plus some on the two main speakers even if it meant forgoing the subwoofer.
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Thanks, gbus. I have updated the price for Onkyo TX-NR686. Is it a good option as well?
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Samir, you have a relatively low budget for 70% music and 30% movies, which IMO speaks to 2CH receiver more than AVR. You will get better 2CH sound for music from an inexpensive receiver, than an inexpensive AVR. For now or the future, the AVR must have considerably more power, and more capability.

I suggest you hear for yourself at an in-store audition, before making a decision. Good luck. Have fun.

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Samir, you have a relatively low budget for 70% music and 30% movies, which IMO speaks to 2CH receiver more than AVR. You will get better 2CH sound for music from an inexpensive receiver, than an inexpensive AVR. For now or the future, the AVR must have considerably more power, and more capability.

I suggest you hear for yourself at an in-store audition, before making a decision. Good luck. Have fun.
Any suggestions for AVR then, which will serve the purpose? Its just start for me, so want to build system iteratively. Maybe I will invest more in the future.

Say if it is 60% music and 40% movies.

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Any suggestions for AVR then, which will serve the purpose? Its just start for me, so want to build system iteratively. Maybe I will invest more in the future.

Say if it is 60% music and 40% movies.
stick with the list of receivers you already have. If for anything else, you may find that you want to add a center channel and / or surrounds for movies in the future.

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what about the onkyo integra dtr 40.4 for 299 shipped at acessories4less.
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stick with the list of receivers you already have. If for anything else, you may find that you want to add a center channel and / or surrounds for movies in the future.


Thanks, which one of the list you suggest? It will be difficult for me to go and audition before buying. Already decided on NHT Super One 2.1.


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what about the onkyo integra dtr 40.4 for 299 shipped at acessories4less.

Integra 40.4 is a 2012 receiver which means no 4K capability. I'd want something newer than that.

The Onkyo nr686 is a good deal if you want something that can do Atmos or 7.1 in the future, it also has a phono input if you plan to connect a turntable. Otherwise if you have no plans to go past 5.1 the Yamaha RX-V485 will be fine. The Yamaha does not have a phono input.

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Thanks, which one of the list you suggest? It will be difficult for me to go and audition before buying. Already decided on NHT Super One 2.1.


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not the yamaha. the Onkyo or pioneer, because they are new. and if you go with the refurb then the 1500 is the best bet. but if room correction, is a criterion, then go with a denon.

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Thanks, gbus. I have updated the price for Onkyo TX-NR686. Is it a good option as well?


Looks like you’ve found a good deal on the Onkyo 686, it certainly offers you a good amount of AVR for the money. I’m sure it would serve you very well and comes in below your budget which is always nice.
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On the amplifier side of things, I've always heard you're supposed to get an amplifier that's higher rated than the speakers to eliminate clipping, this translates into distortion which eventually destroys your speakers.

No.

No.

No.

No.

You just don't clip it. It's on you, the user, to know that. You can clip any amplifier if you are stupid.

If we were just discussing cars, the equivalent of what you just said would be "don't buy a car with a 4 cylinder engine because you could wind up redlining the engine all the time and blow it."
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No.

No.

No.

No.

You just don't clip it. It's on you, the user, to know that. You can clip any amplifier if you are stupid.

If we were just discussing cars, the equivalent of what you just said would be "don't buy a car with a 4 cylinder engine because you could wind up redlining the engine all the time and blow it."

Maybe I wasn't clear when stating this. I meant this from an overdriven standpoint, and it still is true, even for that car analogy. It might not blow the engine up but you'll be paying for it, in either mpg (decreased efficiency) or higher wear on the engine, in this case the amp.
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I have finalized on either Onkoyo TX NR686 ($200 New) and Denon X1500H ($265 New). Which one I should get? I have to choose from these two by today.

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flip a coin, it's your money. They both meet your requirements

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I have finalized on either Onkoyo TX NR686 ($200 New) and Denon X1500H ($265 New). Which one I should get? I have to choose from these two by today.

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The onkyo seems like better value for dollar so id pick that.
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Budget AVR/Stereo Receiver mainly for music

I see in discussions, some people are inclined towards Denon X1500H. Is it the case or I should pull the trigger for Onkoyo 686?

I am mainly concerned about audio quality.

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