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LF Pioneer or Yamaha Replacement

Greetings guys, so my Pioneer 1222k after 5 years died on me. I'm looking for an AVR that has similar calibration options and sound quality. I had that 1222k purring like a Bengal tiger in my room. My room is a small 10x18 room that is air tight and sound proofed, so the AVR does not have a lot of room for "error" so to speak. I borrowed my brothers Sony 1000ES and it sounds terrible in there and has that bare bones as far as calibration options go. With that being said, I am only looking for another Pioneer or a Yamaha(if it has great calibration options). I'm not going to spend over $500 and have no issue with getting a certified refurbished. I also don't mind getting an older model as well.

I have a 7.1 system setup:
Infinity C351
2x Infinity Beta 50's
4x Infinity OSW-1's

1x PSA X30s sub

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Can anyone help me?

Does YPAO have good calibration for my room?

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Can anyone help me?

Does YPAO have good calibration for my room?
I think the sc1222 had mcacc pro, correct? With the Onkyo purchase a few years ago, mcacc pro was shelved, but finally the 2019 Elite models will be getting mcacc advanced.

From what I understand the best correction you can get under $1500 is Dirac live, so you would be looking at the NAD 758 v3. After that, a lot of people love what Audyssey xt32 with subeqht does in their rooms/theaters. The lowest model with that is the Denon x3400 (2017) or the 2018 Denon x3500.

YPAO w/rsc is probably the next most popular soution, however I have not used it so some Yammy owners will have to give you their $.02 about making it work in your room.
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I think the sc1222 had mcacc pro, correct? With the Onkyo purchase a few years ago, mcacc pro was shelved, but finally the 2019 Elite models will be getting mcacc advanced.

From what I understand the best correction you can get under $1500 is Dirac live, so you would be looking at the NAD 758 v3. After that, a lot of people love what Audyssey xt32 with subeqht does in their rooms/theaters. The lowest model with that is the Denon x3400 (2017) or the 2018 Denon x3500.

YPAO w/rsc is probably the next most popular soution, however I have not used it so some Yammy owners will have to give you their $.02 about making it work in your room.
Wait so MCACC is not on Pioneer AVR's from whenever Onkyo bought them until now? OR just the Pro version of it?

Does that x3400 support true 7.1. Do we know if there's a return policy on that Denon?

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@mijotter , yes sorry the pro version is all but gone, mcacc advanced is back for 2019.



x3400 is 7 channels so I believe it can do either 7.1 or 5.2.2 atmos
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@mijotter , yes sorry the pro version is all but gone, mcacc advanced is back for 2019.



x3400 is 7 channels so I believe it can do either 7.1 or 5.2.2 atmos
What is the difference between the Pro and Advanced?

I have no problem getting a Pioneer from 2016. What were some of the better models?

Thanks.

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@mijotter Pro is much more advanced and has the ability to calibrate dual independent subs, full phase bandwidth control and precision distance control....more here https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/MCACC


mcacc pro was typically installed in their top of the line class d powered stuff, except the vsx1130 and vsx90.


sc85/87/89/91
sc-lx701/801/901


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@mijotter Pro is much more advanced and has the ability to calibrate dual independent subs, full phase bandwidth control and precision distance control....more here https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/MCACC


mcacc pro was typically installed in their top of the line class d powered stuff, except the vsx1130 and vsx90.


sc85/87/89/91
sc-lx701/801/901


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Wow those are well out of my price range. What are your thoughts on the LX101?

I can't seem to find it anywhere and my 1222k won't turn on anymore, but did that one have the Advanced or Pro?

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Get the Denon x3400 for $499, brand new from Amazon.
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Wow those are well out of my price range. What are your thoughts on the LX101?

I can't seem to find it anywhere and my 1222k won't turn on anymore, but did that one have the Advanced or Pro?

Do you have the UE22 error? Take a look at this....https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...listening.html


As @spyboy said, the x3400 for $499 is one of the best deals for a 7 channel avr right now. If you want to stay with Pio and spend a little less, then step up to the vsx-lx302.
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Do you have the UE22 error? Take a look at this....https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...listening.html


As @spyboy said, the x3400 for $499 is one of the best deals for a 7 channel avr right now. If you want to stay with Pio and spend a little less, then step up to the vsx-lx302.
I will definitely look in to that Denon. Apparently it has the highest Audyssey calibration Denon offers. How does it compare to MCACC Advanced(that's what my old 1222k had)? Thanks.

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@mijotter yes audyssey xt32 with subeqht is their highest version. Some love it and others turn it off completely. From what I understand the advantage it has over most all other solutions (except Dirac, ARC, Trinnov, etc.) is that it's very good at flattening the speaker response in your room, especially in the lower frequencies. Also, it is the only correction under about $1200 that can calibrate dual subs (semi) independently.
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@mijotter yes audyssey xt32 with subeqht is their highest version. Some love it and others turn it off completely. From what I understand the advantage it has over most all other solutions (except Dirac, ARC, Trinnov, etc.) is that it's very good at flattening the speaker response in your room, especially in the lower frequencies. Also, it is the only correction under about $1200 that can calibrate dual subs (semi) independently.
I'm just hesitant to try another calibration in my room because my room is very specific. I know what the MCACC Advanced can do and how it can sound, and I really liked it.


It's so hard finding which version of MCACC these Pioneers have as it just labels everything as having MCACC in general.

Is there a list of Pioneer AVRs that have MCACC advanced on them? Anything newer than 2015.


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