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Emotiva raising prices because of tariffs.

Just got an email that tariffs have gone up significantly and Emotiva is raising prices. That's a real shame and disgrace but hey at least we aren't paying them, China is. The consumer is getting the shaft here.
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When?

The prices on their web pages seem to be unchanged, so far.
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The prices on their web pages seem to be unchanged, so far.
As of July 1st. They said they ate the first tariff increase but this time it's significantly higher.
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Those tariffs have been a wonderful idea for farmers. Why not extend it to consumer products!
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Short term pain, long term gain.

China has always played the long game, now that's what we need to do.

Don't buy Chinese products and avoid the increase.
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China has always played the long game, now that's what we need to do.



Don't buy Chinese products and avoid the increase.
What a crock. I'm sure everything you buy is American made right? Don't be a hypocrite and run off to Walmart and enjoy those prices. I will bet everything you are wearing right now was not made in the US right down to your undies.
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What a crock. I'm sure everything you buy is American made right? Don't be a hypocrite and run off to Walmart and enjoy those prices. I will bet everything you are wearing right now was not made in the US right down to your undies.
No, but I want more things made in the good ole US. I'll pay a bit to reduce the Chinese market dominance. I have no problems buying the cheapest price, but I also understand where we have leverage against the Chinese and I support using it.
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What a crock. I'm sure everything you buy is American made right? Don't be a hypocrite and run off to Walmart and enjoy those prices. I will bet everything you are wearing right now was not made in the US right down to your undies.
I agree with Doc. I don't buy everything American, but I focus on trying to do so. Outlaw amps, Seaton Subs, etc. China needs to pay up.
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No, but I want more things made in the good ole US. I'll pay a bit to reduce the Chinese market dominance. I have no problems buying the cheapest price, but I also understand where we have leverage against the Chinese and I support using it.
Yep and agree 100%. If our past leaders weren't complete failures we wouldn't be in this situation.

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Yep and agree 100%. If our past leaders weren't complete failures we wouldn't be in this situation.
It's called capitalism. You can't force manufacturers to build products in the US. The American consumer has an appetite for cheap prices. Millions of people walk into Walmart everyday because of those prices. Their dollar goes farther than it would otherwise.
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I think what we have here is one sided, if China played by the rules and dropped some tariffs on U.S./Canadian goods, all would be fine. A little give and take, but it just seems lopsided. We still have some fine "Crafted in Canada" speakers and amps that we will be more than glad to sell to our brothers and sisters in the good old U.S. of A!
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I think what we have here is one sided, if China played by the rules and dropped some tariffs on U.S./Canadian goods, all would be fine. A little give and take, but it just seems lopsided. We still have some fine "Crafted in Canada" speakers and amps that we will be more than glad to sell to our brothers and sisters in the good old U.S. of A!
We have sacred cows and tariffs too. It's not one sided.
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It's called capitalism. You can't force manufacturers to build products in the US. The American consumer has an appetite for cheap prices. Millions of people walk into Walmart everyday because of those prices. Their dollar goes farther than it would otherwise.
You are missing my point. We should have had a fair trade agreement with China from the start.
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You are missing my point. We should have had a fair trade agreement with China from the start.
In the end you can't force companies to manufacture goods here. It's not how it works. The are very legit grips about China. In my opinion this approach is wrong and only hurts the US consumer.
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It's too bad about the price hikes but there are other brands other than emotiva that will still be the same price. Shoot, I just snatched up a 200w x 8 Crestron amp off eBay for a steal! There will always be other opportunities for buying. How is the quality of emotiva vs others, say like outlaw audio? I doubt anybody could tell the sonic difference listening between the two.
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It's too bad about the price hikes but there are other brands other than emotiva that will still be the same price. Shoot, I just snatched up a 200w x 8 Crestron amp off eBay for a steal! There will always be other opportunities for buying. How is the quality of emotiva vs others, say like outlaw audio? I doubt anybody could tell the sonic difference listening between the two.
Yeah I'm done with the political talk. It's a shame prices are going up. It's not a good thing. Hopefully it won't last too long.
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I agree with Doc. I don't buy everything American, but I focus on trying to do so. Outlaw amps, Seaton Subs, etc. China needs to pay up.
Not sure which Outlaw amps you're referring to. Their model 5000 is "Designed in the USA by Outlaw Audio and manufactured in the P.R. China" (from the manual). I don't know whether that would be affected by the tariffs, but I expect so, or it'd be possible for Chinese products to avoid tariffs by working through US front companies.

It must be a lot easier to buy products from American companies than to buy products that are made in America (or at least not made in China). Is that good enough?
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Not sure which Outlaw amps you're referring to. Their model 5000 is "Designed in the USA by Outlaw Audio and manufactured in the P.R. China" (from the manual). I don't know whether that would be affected by the tariffs, but I expect so, or it'd be possible for Chinese products to avoid tariffs by working through US front companies.

It must be a lot easier to buy products from American companies than to buy products that are made in America (or at least not made in China). Is that good enough?

Don't know about the Model 5000, but a lot of electronics (likely iPhones for example) would be covered by the next set of tariffs that would cover essentially all of the Chinese exports that aren't covered by the existing tariffs. Based on past import levels, these tariffs would apply to about $300 billion in imports to the U.S. Notification of these tariffs was published in the Federal Register in May, 2019 per established procedures. The deadlines for written input and signing-up to give oral input have both passed. The actual oral input is scheduled before the end of this month. This would seem to make the tariffs available for application starting about the first of July. The level of the tariffs and when they would be applied is up to the President.
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It's too bad about the price hikes but there are other brands other than emotiva that will still be the same price. Shoot, I just snatched up a 200w x 8 Crestron amp off eBay for a steal! There will always be other opportunities for buying. How is the quality of emotiva vs others, say like outlaw audio? I doubt anybody could tell the sonic difference listening between the two.
Given the current pricing, the Emotiva Gen 3 XPA's are ok for the money, but I don't think I'd be willing to pay any more for one than what they cost right now. The price increase may end up hurting them in the long run because I'm not sure they'll be considered as much of a value anymore. That's unfortunate because I like Emotiva as a company and I like to see the "mom and pop" companies succeed. I just feel they took a step back on performance with their Gen 3 line in comparison to Gen 1, and a price increase further reduces the performance per dollar ratio. It will be interesting to see what other brands do.

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Given the current pricing, the Emotiva Gen 3 XPA's are ok for the money, but I don't think I'd be willing to pay any more for one than what they cost right now. The price increase may end up hurting them in the long run because I'm not sure they'll be considered as much of a value anymore. That's unfortunate because I like Emotiva as a company and I like to see the "mom and pop" companies succeed. I just feel they took a step back on performance with their Gen 3 line in comparison to Gen 1, and a price increase further reduces the performance per dollar ratio. It will be interesting to see what other brands do.
A 5% price increase is enough to affect your perception of Emotiva products' value?

I wonder how many others would feel the same.
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Don't know about the Model 5000, but a lot of electronics (likely iPhones for example) would be covered by the next set of tariffs that would cover essentially all of the Chinese exports that aren't covered by the existing tariffs. Based on past import levels, these tariffs would apply to about $300 billion in imports to the U.S. Notification of these tariffs was published in the Federal Register in May, 2019 per established procedures. The deadlines for written input and signing-up to give oral input have both passed. The actual oral input is scheduled before the end of this month. This would seem to make the tariffs available for application starting about the first of July. The level of the tariffs and when they would be applied is up to the President.
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Without getting into the pro or cons of tariffs the one thing that is a "fact" regardless what others may say we will be the ones who will be paying for them.
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Keep in mind...
The tariffs are not just on finished products but also internal components...
Especially crucial for US factories that assemble products in North America, over the last 15 years the majority of the subcomponents, metal parts are produced in China.. The tariffs are too expensive for a US factory to absorb, they will be passed on in their final product pricing to the market..

Just my $0.02...
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A 5% price increase is enough to affect your perception of Emotiva products' value?

I wonder how many others would feel the same.
I couldn't find any specific numbers in the email from Dan Laufman or the Emotiva webpage linked in his email. I just assumed based on the big production he's making it out to be that it'd be closer to 15 - 20%. So no, $50 more for an amp that's currently $1000, probably not going to bat an eye. But raise it $150 or more, I'd have to think twice about it.

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What if it is 20% more but you get an extra two years of warranty? Would that be a good offset?

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I couldn't find any specific numbers in the email from Dan Laufman or the Emotiva webpage linked in his email. I just assumed based on the big production he's making it out to be that it'd be closer to 15 - 20%. So no, $50 more for an amp that's currently $1000, probably not going to bat an eye. But raise it $150 or more, I'd have to think twice about it.
An excerpt from Dan Laufman's post in the Emotiva Lounge...

"... 4. Products that are affected, will only see a nominal 5% increase. We have absorbed the bulk of price increase internally."

Here's the direct link to his post...

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