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Question Help needed - choosing a new receiver

Hi all. As the title states, I'm looking for help choosing a new receiver.

My priorities in choosing something new are:
  • HDMI switching / passthrough that supports 4k/60hz HDR, HDCP 2.2
  • rock solid 5.1 channel audio support, not considering adding any additional speakers at this time
  • wouldn't mind having something that supports Airplay 2 audio and Spotify Connect, but it is not a necessity
  • wouldn't mind hooking up a CD player, if I can ever find one, so at least one set of stereo inputs
  • this may just need to hold me over until proper HDMI 2.1 equipped receivers are available


My current setup is as follows:

Speakers:
  • Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE’s, left front / right front / center
  • Ascend Acoustics CMT-170 SE’s, left rear / right rear
  • HSU VTF3-MK4 Subwoofer (slight correction, forgot that I replaced the original amp a few years ago from Mk2 to Mk4)

Receiver:
  • Panasonic SA-XR57

Other:
  • Monoprice HDX(C)-501 5x1 HDMI switch
  • Harmony Hub


Source Devices:
  • Frontier cable STB - fine just running this through TV, don’t need to watch TV in full surround..
  • Xbox One X
  • Playstation 4
  • AppleTV 4K
  • Sony Blu-ray disc player, eventually to be replaced with a proper 4K blu-ray player
  • Retro consoles, only occasionally connected

Display:
  • LG OLED C9 65” (just replaced Panasonic TH-50PH9UK last week, still works fine)


My very early list of candidates includes:
  • Pioneer VSX-933
  • Onkyo NR686
  • Sony STR-DH790
  • Denon AVR-S940H

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Those are some nice speakers, lets get them some power and let them sing.

I think Denon, Marantz and the new Pioneer/Onkyos are the airplay 2 crowd, iirc?

So the step up from the 933 is the lx103, longer warranty and a little more power. The 686 is the bigger cousin and has a little more power yet.

Not sure about Yammy and airplay 2, but the tsr-7850 is a step up for a little more $$ and adds front LR preouts for more power. I saw today that the Yammy rx-a870 is on sale at Frys on clearance if you can find it?

If you like the Denon sound, the x1400/x2400 can be had on sale and the newer x1500/x2500h is a little more $$ but adds a phono input. The next step up is x3400/x3500h (similar to Yammy a870) with preouts and dual hdmi out, but it has the best correction software at that price in audyssey xt32.

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Thanks. There certainly are a lot of options. According to the Denon website, it looks like the X1500 and X1600 come with the Audyssey MultEQ XT. I have a stand alone sound level meter for audio calibration, but I havent used in probably 10-12 years.

In regards to the Denon models, I'm wondering if the 2019 models are worth the extra $200 for each model line. Biggest new feature I see is eARC, but I'm not really sure if that would benefit me or not.
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@Bluewookie I think earc requires everything in the chain to be earc ready, which your c9 might be already?


I think you could get an x3500h for around the same price as the x1600h, which would be a major upgrade in power and features.
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Thanks. There certainly are a lot of options. According to the Denon website, it looks like the X1500 and X1600 come with the Audyssey MultEQ XT. I have a stand alone sound level meter for audio calibration, but I havent used in probably 10-12 years.

In regards to the Denon models, I'm wondering if the 2019 models are worth the extra $200 for each model line. Biggest new feature I see is eARC, but I'm not really sure if that would benefit me or not.
Have been setting up my new 2017 Denon X4400H the last couple days. Clearance at Amazon. Awesome BTW. EARC has been added to this (maybe other and newer models/) via firmware update.
Have you ever checked Denons at Accessories4less?


https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...y/denon/1.html

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@Bluewookie I think earc requires everything in the chain to be earc ready, which your c9 might be already?


I think you could get an x3500h for around the same price as the x1600h, which would be a major upgrade in power and features.
I'm seeing the X1600h for $599 most places, $566 at Amazon.

The x3500H is basically $999 everywhere I've looked right now. Amazon shows the 2019 model, x3600H is being released on July 15th, and they have it up for preorder at $1099, so maybe the price on the x3500h will drop shortly. It kind of seems like overkill for my setup/space, but it does pack more features and the next level up version of Audyssey.
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I think I saw in another thread that you were concerned about eARC to the LG C9, and there are currently issues to the eARC C9 to Denon 3400 etc. generation (probably will be fixed in time).
So, the option mentioned of a 4400 is a better receiver on clearance that you can buy new. I haven't researched if this is currently available, but it will be, at least by August, and the other poster suggested already available. Or you can get a newer Denon such as 3500 at Accessories for Less that is a refurb for a similar price.
My personal recommendation is at least a 3400 or 4400 (waiting for eARC fix for both) or 3500, since they have Audyssey xt32, which is significantly better than xt. The lower Denon models will have xt. I have purchased Denons new and refurb, and refurb is an option.
The 3400 and 3500 are limited to Atmos with 5.1.2 or non Atmos with 7.1. The 4400 and 4500 can support 7.1.4 with an external amp. From your use case it sounds like you don't need the 7.1.4 capability.
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I think I saw in another thread that you were concerned about eARC to the LG C9, and there are currently issues to the eARC C9 to Denon 3400 etc. generation (probably will be fixed in time).
So, the option mentioned of a 4400 is a better receiver on clearance that you can buy new. I haven't researched if this is currently available, but it will be, at least by August, and the other poster suggested already available. Or you can get a newer Denon such as 3500 at Accessories for Less that is a refurb for a similar price.
My personal recommendation is at least a 3400 or 4400 (waiting for eARC fix for both) or 3500, since they have Audyssey xt32, which is significantly better than xt. The lower Denon models will have xt. I have purchased Denons new and refurb, and refurb is an option.
The 3400 and 3500 are limited to Atmos with 5.1.2 or non Atmos with 7.1. The 4400 and 4500 can support 7.1.4 with an external amp. From your use case it sounds like you don't need the 7.1.4 capability.
By "clearence" I meant that Amazon is selling the 2017's now, NEW, from authorized dealers with warranty, with SERIOUS discounts.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=denon+avr...b_sb_ss_i_11_6
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By "clearence" I meant that Amazon is selling the 2017's now, NEW, from authorized dealers with warranty, with SERIOUS discounts.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=denon+avr...b_sb_ss_i_11_6
As long as it an authorized dealer, that is what I would go for, but the OP also has a concern about eARC. I would take the chance that the eARC issue with the C9 will be resolved. But that is something he/she has to decide.

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Get the x3400 unless you need a phono input. Doesn't appear you do based on your requirements.
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Thanks for all the suggestions and advice.

At this point I think I've narrowed it down to the following
  • Denon AVR-X3500H - if this drops enough in price with the upcoming release of the 3600H in Mid July, this will be the one.
  • Yamaha TSR-7850 - This appears to check most of the boxes for me, and it's one of the few I can get it locally, with Costco's great return policy to boot.


Not being near a Fry's seems to preclude me from a lot of the great deals I've seen mentioned.

HT1: LG OLED65C9 -- Denon AVR-X3500H -- Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE's Front & Center -- Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE's Rear -- Hsu VTF-3 MK4 -- Xbox One X -- Apple TV 4K -- Playstation 4 -- LG UBK90 -- Harmony Smart Control Remote & Hub
HT2: Samsung UN55JS700DF -- Denon AVR-X3500H -- SVS SB-01 5.0 speakers -- SVS PB12 NSD/V -- Apple TV 4K -- Harmony Smart Control Remote & Hub
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Thanks for all the suggestions and advice.

At this point I think I've narrowed it down to the following
  • Denon AVR-X3500H - if this drops enough in price with the upcoming release of the 3600H in Mid July, this will be the one.
  • Yamaha TSR-7850 - This appears to check most of the boxes for me, and it's one of the few I can get it locally, with Costco's great return policy to boot.


Not being near a Fry's seems to preclude me from a lot of the great deals I've seen mentioned.
x3400 like @afrogt said. Almost the same as the 2018 version sans phono input. At that price do not discount the rz730/830, they are total beasts for HT. Otherwise the 7850 has a lot of love too.

If you can't commit to one of those right now, then here is what Frys has on clearance tonight...

Denon x4400
Yammy rx-a770/a870 and a1060
Onkyo nr777
Pioneer vsx-lx302

Good luck!
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x3400 like @afrogt said. Almost the same as the 2018 version sans phono input. At that price do not discount the rz730/830, they are total beasts for HT. Otherwise the 7850 has a lot of love too.

If you can't commit to one of those right now, then here is what Frys has on clearance tonight...

Denon x4400
Yammy rx-a770/a870 and a1060
Onkyo nr777
Pioneer vsx-lx302

Good luck!
Thanks!

Fry's is very limited for me, as there are none in the northeast US. Even looking at their site now, for example, x4400 is not available for shipping, and x3400 is $100 more than Amazon.

My big hesitation with the x3400 vs x3500 is that some of the features that have been enabled via firmware updates on the x3400 don't seem to be as well implemented/reliable as those same functions on the x3500, like eARC for example.
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@Bluewookie were not talking you out of the x3500 or into the x3400, I am sure I speak for many of us here when I say we are always looking to get the best we can for less $$. Typically that means going with last years models with similar features but for less money. The x3500h is a very nice avr with phono, earc and xt32, so wait until it goes on sale near you and then jump on it!

I was going to get an x3400 from a member here until I heard the x3500h was getting phono, so then it went to the top of my list. I went to my local Frys when it was on sale late last year and they did not have any, otherwise I would have pulled the trigger. Blessing in disguise though, the wife asked me add ceiling speakers in the kitchen and living room for zones 2 and 3 for parties. Also I am working on building a second sub, so now I am looking at single box solutions with 9 channels or something with zone 2 and 3 preouts and xt32, which is proving difficult to find for less than $800. I love the rz830 and lx503 but mediocre room correction and want a sr6013 from AC4L but hate the port hole window. AARGH!

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@eriksells916 I hear you. I might have otherwise already had the Yamaha TSR-7850 at home and hooked up, but the YPAO version included is only the single point, not the multipoint version.
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@eriksells916 I hear you. I might have otherwise already had the Yamaha TSR-7850 at home and hooked up, but the YPAO version included is only the single point, not the multipoint version.
Yea here is an article on the different versions. Sounds like ypao rsc multipoint is worth the wait. https://simpleonline.blog/2014/10/09...dvanced-topic/

Not a smokin deal, but here is the rx-a870 https://www.frys.com/product/9199528...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

I love this receiver, wish it were 9 channels I still might buy this anyway rx-a1060BL https://www.frys.com/product/8849832...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
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@Bluewookie were not talking you out of the x3500 or into the x3400, I am sure I speak for many of us here when I say we are always looking to get the best we can for less $$. Typically that means going with last years models with similar features but for less money. The x3500h is a very nice avr with phono, earc and xt32, so wait until it goes on sale near you and then jump on it!

I was going to get an x3400 from a member here until I heard the x3500h was getting phono, so then it went to the top of my list. I went to my local Frys when it was on sale late last year and they did not have any, otherwise I would have pulled the trigger. Blessing in disguise though, the wife asked me add ceiling speakers in the kitchen and living room for zones 2 and 3 for parties. Also I am working on building a second sub, so now I am looking at single box solutions with 9 channels or something with zone 2 and 3 preouts and xt32, which is proving difficult to find for less than $800. I love the rz830 and lx503 but mediocre room correction and want a sr6013 from AC4L but hate the port hole window. AARGH!

Good luck!
So get the x4400h from Amazon. its in your price range

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