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So I was considering pulling the trigger on the Pioneer 303 but after reading reviews on the UI and menu system being super complex I got Leary of it. I want something simple which is what I’ve heard a lot of good things about the Sony.

Just curious what makes others in the $450 price point better than the Sony?

I only run a 5.1 system and likely will never go past 7 channel. I do use a dual zone to provide audio to the pool area.
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I haven't seen the Pioneer or the Sony. My Denon AVR-X4300H has settings that aren't always intuitively obvious, but I managed, sometimes with a little help from the Web. I wouldn't base a buying decision on the complexity of the UI. That's only my opinion.
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@scrapdiggs the solution is drugs, as @bobknavs pointed out LOL!

All kidding aside, I have just read mixed reviews of the Sony. It rarely goes on sale and gets drowned out by deals from Denon, Yamaha and Onkyo.

It does get excellent reviews for HT and 2 channel use and some have mentioned that it has some of the expensive es parts in it? It also has some kind of virtual surround dsp to make 5.1 sound like 7.1??

However, at this price I can get 9 channels, detachable power cord, full preouts, phono input, better room correction solution and can play audio from one source while watching video from another.


p.s. I have read that the sony does plays very well with sony gear as well as sony tv's and it has a superior ios app.


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I was thinking that way with Onkyo vs Denon. I could get 9.2 Onkyo with pretty much everything I wanted. Except I think Denon is just better and i wanted AUDYSSEY room correction, not the Onkyo version. In the end i waited for a great deal on Denon and couldn't be happier.
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I was thinking that way with Onkyo vs Denon. I could get 9.2 Onkyo with pretty much everything I wanted. Except I think Denon is just better and i wanted AUDYSSEY room correction, not the Onkyo version. In the end i waited for a great deal on Denon and couldn't be happier.
I think i'll keep looking for a great deal on a Denon as well as id like to get Audyssey as well.
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i really wanted the Audyssey MultiEQ 32XT as well. The lowest Denon that had that was the 4500. If you don't need 5.2.4 or the XT32, the Denon 3500 is quite a bit cheaper. Also the 3600 is coming out in a couple weeks that would probably lower the cost of the 3500.

I just installed 4 Atmos speakers in the ceiling and it sounds amazing. I use the receiver to power the 4 ceiling speakers but use a 250w/channel Cinepro amp for my other 5 channels.

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i really wanted the Audyssey MultiEQ 32XT as well. The lowest Denon that had that was the 4500. If you don't need 5.2.4 or the XT32, the Denon 3500 is quite a bit cheaper. Also the 3600 is coming out in a couple weeks that would probably lower the cost of the 3500.

I just installed 4 Atmos speakers in the ceiling and it sounds amazing. I use the receiver to power the 4 ceiling speakers but use a 250w/channel Cinepro amp for my other 5 channels.

Good luck!
Ive been out of the scene for awhile. Im not exactly sure what Atmos speakers are but im learning.
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probably more that you want to spend

it's just a new surround format that uses height channels. I doubt you need it, i would stick with the Denon 3500.
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That one was just selling new on Frys for $399
Wow thanks for pointing that out! That’s a heck of a buy!
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i really wanted the Audyssey MultiEQ 32XT as well. The lowest Denon that had that was the 4500. If you don't need 5.2.4 or the XT32, the Denon 3500 is quite a bit cheaper. Also the 3600 is coming out in a couple weeks that would probably lower the cost of the 3500.

I just installed 4 Atmos speakers in the ceiling and it sounds amazing. I use the receiver to power the 4 ceiling speakers but use a 250w/channel Cinepro amp for my other 5 channels.

Good luck!
As far as I know, the 3500 is the lowest end model with Audyssey XT32 and SubEQ. https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx3500h

The 3400 (2017 version, also with XT32) is still available at a model year closeout price.

If the specs I've seen suggested for the 3600 are correct (9 amps, 11 processed channels), it appears to be more like a 4500 than it is the 3300, 3400, and 3500.
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As far as I know, the 3500 is the lowest end model with Audyssey XT32 and SubEQ. https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx3500h

The 3400 (2017 version, also with XT32) is still available at a model year closeout price.

If the specs I've seen suggested for the 3600 are correct (9 amps, 11 processed channels), it appears to be more like a 4500 than it is the 3300, 3400, and 3500.
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you are correct, sorry i was typing on my phone, the 3500 has the xt32..
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probably more that you want to spend

it's just a new surround format that uses height channels. I doubt you need it, i would stick with the Denon 3500.
Thanks. I looked into it. I def don't need it. I just need 5.1 and a zone 2 that take a digital source rather than just analog.

I stopped into a Magnolia today and had a guy play me quite a few amps through some nice BnW speakers. I listened to Denon, Pioneer, Marantz and Yamaha.

By far my favorite sound (for movies) was Yamaha. The sound to me had the most detail and clarity between the frequencies and it was pretty obvious. To me. The salesmen originall was leaning Denon but after we listened for awhile and kept going back and forth it came down to the best sounding one under $800 we found was def the Yamaha RX-A780. Sadly its more than I want to spend still.
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it came down to the best sounding one under $800 we found was def the Yamaha RX-A780. Sadly its more than I want to spend still.
You can get a refurb from accessories4less for $380.
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You can get a refurb from accessories4less for $380.
wow! good deal. Ill look into that.

I also see the Onkyo 686 can be had for $299 and didn't get a chance to hear that one. How would it stack up? doesn't Onkyo and Denon both have Audessey?
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I don't think Onkyo does.
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wow! good deal. Ill look into that.

I also see the Onkyo 686 can be had for $299 and didn't get a chance to hear that one. How would it stack up? doesn't Onkyo and Denon both have Audessey?
No, it uses Onkyo proprietary equalization software. https://www.se.onkyo.com/downloads/3...tasheet_EN.pdf

I don't know how it compares to Audyssey. I believe that Onkyo once used Audyssey. Maybe they found the licensing fees excessive.
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Where do you get this coupon?
The coupon is available at most Frys stores. Officially you are supposed to tell him a secret code that you get in am email. Buy I never had to.
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i really wanted the Audyssey MultiEQ 32XT as well. The lowest Denon that had that was the 4500. If you don't need 5.2.4 or the XT32, the Denon 3500 is quite a bit cheaper. Also the 3600 is coming out in a couple weeks that would probably lower the cost of the 3500.



I just installed 4 Atmos speakers in the ceiling and it sounds amazing. I use the receiver to power the 4 ceiling speakers but use a 250w/channel Cinepro amp for my other 5 channels.



Good luck!
Denon 3400 and 3500 both have Audyssey XT32.
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The coupon is available at most Frys stores. Officially you are supposed to tell him a secret code that you get in am email. Buy I never had to.
But then how do you find about which deals the coupon can be applied to?
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For what it’s worth, I’m really impressed with the Sony STR-DN1080, coming from a Denon X1300W.

I’ve owned two Denon AVRs, two Marantz AVRs, Arcam and Anthem separates in the past, so sound quality has always been a priority. In recent years, I settled on Denon as a “good enough at everything” choice to reduce cost and complexity. My last two were 3312CI and X1300W.

I decided to buy the Sony on a whim when it dropped to $350 a few weeks ago. I was beyond frustrated with the (well-documented) lip sync issues with Denon and my LG OLED TV. I told my wife, “even if the sound quality is worse, it’s probably worth it”. I even had a contingency plan to keep the Denon for music.

Given those tempered expectations, I was shocked at how good it sounded - far surpassing the two Denons. I wondered if I was falling for some psycho-acoustic trick, given how important room correction EQ is these days. But I threw all my reference stuff at it and heard more detail and punch. I always felt that the Audyssey curve was a bit anemic, but defeating or changing it introduced other issues. Sony’s DCAC is no joke. I use the Engineer auto calibration setting.

To summarize: my old Arcam and Marantz gear sounded great, but the soundstage suffered due to lack of room correction. The Denon had good soundstage, but lacked some dynamics. The Sony has both, which seemed inconceivable at $350. And the lip sync issues are gone. Icing on the cake: the internal Chromecast receiver works perfectly as a Roon endpoint for music - and doesn’t even have the 96Khz stutter that the Chromecast Audio firmware has now.

There are caveats though. The build quality isn’t spectacular, and I had to exchange one due to transformer hum. It’s also less configurable and provides less info about input/output streams. But I’m really happy I made the switch. For reference: I’m only driving a 5.1 system, my room isn’t huge, and my sub does a lot of the heavy lifting, so raw power isn’t as important in my system. I also don’t need many inputs and outputs. Your results may vary.
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But then how do you find about which deals the coupon can be applied to?
All deals (including sale and special promotion items) except Samsung, Bose and some others.
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I personally like the Sony 1080, but the Denon 3500 for 499 is a great deal.


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For what it’s worth, I’m really impressed with the Sony STR-DN1080, coming from a Denon X1300W.

I’ve owned two Denon AVRs, two Marantz AVRs, Arcam and Anthem separates in the past, so sound quality has always been a priority. In recent years, I settled on Denon as a “good enough at everything” choice to reduce cost and complexity. My last two were 3312CI and X1300W.

I decided to buy the Sony on a whim when it dropped to $350 a few weeks ago. I was beyond frustrated with the (well-documented) lip sync issues with Denon and my LG OLED TV. I told my wife, “even if the sound quality is worse, it’s probably worth it”. I even had a contingency plan to keep the Denon for music.

Given those tempered expectations, I was shocked at how good it sounded - far surpassing the two Denons. I wondered if I was falling for some psycho-acoustic trick, given how important room correction EQ is these days. But I threw all my reference stuff at it and heard more detail and punch. I always felt that the Audyssey curve was a bit anemic, but defeating or changing it introduced other issues. Sony’s DCAC is no joke. I use the Engineer auto calibration setting.

To summarize: my old Arcam and Marantz gear sounded great, but the soundstage suffered due to lack of room correction. The Denon had good soundstage, but lacked some dynamics. The Sony has both, which seemed inconceivable at $350. And the lip sync issues are gone. Icing on the cake: the internal Chromecast receiver works perfectly as a Roon endpoint for music - and doesn’t even have the 96Khz stutter that the Chromecast Audio firmware has now.

There are caveats though. The build quality isn’t spectacular, and I had to exchange one due to transformer hum. It’s also less configurable and provides less info about input/output streams. But I’m really happy I made the switch. For reference: I’m only driving a 5.1 system, my room isn’t huge, and my sub does a lot of the heavy lifting, so raw power isn’t as important in my system. I also don’t need many inputs and outputs. Your results may vary.
Thanks for that. Sounds very similar to my system which is a 5.1 and my sub which is a 600 watt DLS-R5000 Velodyne does a ton of heavy lifting. The thing is a beast.

I do like the idea of the Sony. Ive been happy with a lot of their products. I do wish the price would drop again. $440 seems like a lot.
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Where do you see that for $499?
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Fry's. Often.

Such a tease. When that is the receiver you want, and at a price you'd jump on, but you never see it available at that price with shipping to the no-Frys-Zone, aka the Northeast US.
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Such a tease. When that is the receiver you want, and at a price you'd jump on, but you never see it available at that price with shipping to the no-Frys-Zone, aka the Northeast US.
Fry's ships all over US. I think.
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Fry's ships all over US. I think.
On some of the better deals, shipping to my zipcode is mysteriously not available, but as soon as it returns to normal price it's all of a sudden available for shipping again.
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Wow.... Get someone local to buy and ship. May be through eBay.
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This should give you a start.
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ceivers/1.html

Select Multi channel outputs and Dolby Atmos in the left column and you'll get two pages of results.

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