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Outlaw Audio 5000 or (3) 2200 Monoblocks with Denon AVR running the rears?

Currently trying to figure out the best amplifier for my setup in my new house.

Denon AVR-x4500h
Energy RC-70's up front
Energy RC-LCR Center
Energy RC-10's surrounds
(Dual undecided subs)

This is going to be a 5.2 setup in a very large 23x16x10 (that's Just the living room area!) plus the attached open kitchen/dining area.

House is scheduled to be completed Jan 2020.

Which setup would be ideal? I listen to a lot of near-reference-level home theater and music.

1. Outlaw Audio 5000 driving all 5 channels. (120w x 5)

or...

2. 3 Outlaw Audio 200w 2200 monoblocks powering the front 3 and running the surrounds off the AVR. (I might even be open to the 3x200 Monolith Amp, also?)




Any downsides with going with the 3 channels up front? I was always from the old school that you should have the same amplification on all channels.

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For speakers it's not room size but more so seating distance from the front soundstage. If you can handle the added expense for the Outlaw mono blocks those would be my first choice if you're sitting a fair distance away from your mains. I own the Outlaw 5000 but not in a space anywhere near yours so my feedback on my experience with it wouldn't help you much.

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For speakers it's not room size but more so seating distance from the front soundstage. If you can handle the added expense for the Outlaw mono blocks those would be my first choice if you're sitting a fair distance away from your mains. I own the Outlaw 5000 but not in a space anywhere near yours so my feedback on my experience with it wouldn't help you much.
Seating should be about 13 feet away from the TV on the wall.

Front setup should be 12-18” from the wall.

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Seating should be about 13 feet away from the TV on the wall.

Front setup should be 12-18” from the wall.

I'm running the Outlaw 5000 on my Denon 4400 and the seating is about 10 feet back from the speakers (which are Polk LSiM 705's for the fronts and 704c for the center). The Outlaw 5000 really does a great job on my setup and I'm very happy with it. Don't know that you would need more than that.
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For movies its not going to make any difference. For multichannel music it might matter more - or might not.
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I would go with just the receiver at first. From 13 feet, it should be able to play plenty loud. If at 0db, it sounds dull, then consider getting an external amp. Keep in mind, it requires a lot of power for a noticeable difference in volume.
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Seating should be about 13 feet away from the TV on the wall.

Front setup should be 12-18” from the wall.
You'll lose about 7.5 dB at 3 Meters but you'll be reinforced by the boundary effect as well as 6dB per additional main speaker so either external amp should work fine. The standard for the best external amplification is mono block power amp's but the 5000 measured very well a few years back in its Audioholics bench testing. I personally think the Outlaw mono blocks are a bit pricey but I picked up my 5000 used on CL on the cheap whereas I believe shipping is extra on Outlaw amp's bringing the new 5000 closer to $700 or so for 5 135 Watt channels of amplification. The 2200's x 3 would run $1,200 plus for 200 Watts per. What the added power does give you is added headroom if you ever switch to less sensitive 4 Ohm speakers. That's where dedicated power amp's shine the most.

I doubt you'll hear any difference between the 2 options and your receiver unless you drive the receivers amp's into audible distortion. If funds aren't a problem and your going to buy an external amp of some kind regardless the mono blocks are the way to go. If funds are an issue and you're going to do the same I'd get the 5000 and wire the L&R speakers to the amp's marked surrounds posts as their the farthest from the power supply. Listening at or close to Reference level for long periods of time takes power. Most though in a home environment don't so the added amp power is more for headroom and peace of mind.

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thank you for your responses.

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