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Seeking a avr for monitor audio 200 LCR speakers. Living room is 20' x 11' with 10' ceiling leading to dinning room through a 5' openway. The speakers are located on 20' wall because the opposite side of the 11' wall is the entrance with sliding glass doors. Viewing distance is 7'. My setup for now is 3.1 expanding to 3.1.2 or 5.1. Recommended power for speakers 60 - 150W. I want to get the AVR first before getting the AVR as budget is tight. My budget for avr is 400 - 500. My source is cable tv and blue ray player. Movies ( 80% ) and music ( 20% ). Nothing fancy but a quality and warm sounding avr that will work in harmony and bring the best of the speakers. Preferably hdmi 1080 pass through to allow family members to watch TV without operating avr. Any inputs are welcome.

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DENONAVR-X3400H 7.2-Ch x 105 Watts A/V Receiver w/HEOS

Item #: DENAVRX3400H

Availability: IN STOCK, ships out in 1-2 Business Days.

$999.99

$449.99
What I'd get today if I were in the market. Best room correction at your price point and preouts if you ever feel the need to add external amplification. Though it is plenty powerful enough to drive those speakers. Google some reviews or search forum discussions.

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The Denon has what some people consider better room correction, but it runs hot. I'm a yamaha fanboy and wold go with a rx-a870 from A4L with your budget, or splurge at get a 1070 for $599 shipped no tax for more power, upgraded components and better reliability.
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DENONAVR-X3400H 7.2-Ch x 105 Watts A/V Receiver w/HEOS

Item #: DENAVRX3400H

Availability: IN STOCK, ships out in 1-2 Business Days.

$999.99

$449.99
What I'd get today if I were in the market. Best room correction at your price point and preouts if you ever feel the need to add external amplification. Though it is plenty powerful enough to drive those speakers. Google some reviews or search forum discussions.

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Isn't the Denon X3500 overkill since i will not be using the extra channels since there is no room for extra speakers. Besides i need to get sub.
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Isn't the Denon X3500 overkill since i will not be using the extra channels since there is no room for extra speakers. Besides i need to get sub.

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It's just that if you can get a receiver within your stated budget that allows for future expansion (and the bug might well hit you, believe me!) or multi-room capability with those extra channels, and has superior room correction and dual sub eq, that's what I would do. Really, these days almost all contemporary avr's at that price point are 7.2. You should visit the A4L website, or Crutchfield--they both have really informative comparison charts. BTW was your stated budget for the AVR alone or for both the receiver and sub? If the latter that is a difficult budget.

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Do you have a budget in mind for the AVR?

I don't have a lot of experience with room equalization software, but the X3500H (or the 2017 X3400H) is the lowest-end model with Audyssey XT32 and SubEQ. That's the best retail version of Audyssey, and SubEq does semi-independent equalization of 2 subs.

Some claim that you need better software (such as Dirac), but that probably requires more expense (like an NAD T558 V3, which is the least expensive AVR that I know of that is bundled with Dirac).
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The Denon has what some people consider better room correction, but it runs hot. I'm a yamaha fanboy and wold go with a rx-a870 from A4L with your budget, or splurge at get a 1070 for $599 shipped no tax for more power, upgraded components and better reliability.
Actually i have a Denon 2311 which was at moderate listening levels in LCR configuration. Previously it stopped working with no power. Sent it for repair with some parts replaced. Through 40 mins, suddenly heard loud popping sound with a flash of light. The avr is located on open av rack. Now considering whether to repair again to save the cost of buying a brand new receiver, which could be used to buy a subwoofer. BTW which type of yamaha avr are you using and how is the sound for movies.

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Do you have a budget in mind for the AVR?

I don't have a lot of experience with room equalization software, but the X3500H (or the 2017 X3400H) is the lowest-end model with Audyssey XT32 and SubEQ. That's the best retail version of Audyssey, and SubEq does semi-independent equalization of 2 subs.

Some claim that you need better software (such as Dirac), but that probably requires more expense (like an NAD T558 V3, which is the least expensive AVR that I know of that is bundled with Dirac).
I would like to keep budget low as possible. I don't require a high end avr.
I prefer a more relaxing sound rather than one causing fatigue. I am less about the loudness and more about excellent sound quality. Something with a better midrange and clearer dialogue as 1 am more into movies. Sufficient power to drive the MA silver 200 without distortion / clipping. To last at least 3 years unlike my previous avr. less than 1 year.
The height clearance of av rack is 9''.

I have narrowed down to Denon or Yamaha

1. Denon x1400 / x1500
2. Denon x2400 / x2500

According to forums

Pro: Audyessey - multi point room correction software, easy to set up, neat back layout, detachable power cord.
Cons: Gets very hot. reliability issues, not subtle.

1. Yamaha V 683 / V 685
2 Yamaha A 670 / A 680

Pro: Better heat management which does not fry the components and reliability
Cons: YPAO correction software, outdated interface, setup not easy


I understand that a sub also plays a important role and i have narrowed it to REL HT 1003 or SVS SB 1000.

Excuse if out of context.

All feedbacks are welcome. Thanks

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x3400H, although the X2400H would probably suffice too if you wanted to save $150. I have a 2400H and it is great, runs warm but all electronics do. Has eco mode to turn off amps when not used. wifi stinks on it, hard wired for heos running best, running 5.1 system now.
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^^^Really? I have had my x2400 since Feb 2018 and have never had any WiFi issues. I'm sure hard wired would be consistently better though.

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I would like to keep budget low as possible. I don't require a high end avr.
I prefer a more relaxing sound rather than one causing fatigue. I am less about the loudness and more about excellent sound quality. Something with a better midrange and clearer dialogue as 1 am more into movies. Sufficient power to drive the MA silver 200 without distortion / clipping. To last at least 3 years unlike my previous avr. less than 1 year.
The height clearance of av rack is 9''.

I have narrowed down to Denon or Yamaha

1. Denon x1400 / x1500
2. Denon x2400 / x2500

According to forums

Pro: Audyessey - multi point room correction software, easy to set up, neat back layout, detachable power cord.
Cons: Gets very hot. reliability issues, not subtle.

1. Yamaha V 683 / V 685
2 Yamaha A 670 / A 680

Pro: Better heat management which does not fry the components and reliability
Cons: YPAO correction software, outdated interface, setup not easy


I understand that a sub also plays a important role and i have narrowed it to REL HT 1003 or SVS SB 1000.

Excuse if out of context.

All feedbacks are welcome. Thanks
Any AVR/AMP regardless of brand kept in an enclosed cabinet will have a significantly shorter life expectancy. If the heat has nowhere to escape it will create an oven effect which is a death sentence for electronics.

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Any AVR/AMP regardless of brand kept in an enclosed cabinet will have a significantly shorter life expectancy. If the heat has nowhere to escape it will create an oven effect which is a death sentence for electronics.
The av rack is a two tier rack with open space all around, not a enclosed cabinet. Excuse me in for not making it clear that, the 9'' height clearance is where the receiver will be located which is at bottom level.

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x3400H, although the X2400H would probably suffice too if you wanted to save $150. I have a 2400H and it is great, runs warm but all electronics do. Has eco mode to turn off amps when not used. wifi stinks on it, hard wired for heos running best, running 5.1 system now.
As suggested, it is a better option. However as always due to budget constraints, it is not possible. I am glad to hear that you are happy with the x2400. What speakers and sub are you using with x2400?

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As suggested, it is a better option. However as always due to budget constraints, it is not possible. I am glad to hear that you are happy with the x2400. What speakers and sub are you using with x2400?

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Center - KEF Q600
Sub - Bowers 10 inch (I think)
Rear's - Bowers M1's


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^^^Really? I have had my x2400 since Feb 2018 and have never had any WiFi issues. I'm sure hard wired would be consistently better though.
Yes - constantly dropping off Comcast WiFi. Other devices, including HEOS speakers run fine. I put a xFI pod behind it and plugged it in via CAT5, no more problems.
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I have purchased the Denon X2500. I have some questions regarding set up despite following the set up assistant. Should i post the queries here or at the Denon X series 2018.

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I have purchased the Denon X2500. I have some questions regarding set up despite following the set up assistant. Should i post the queries here or at the Denon X series 2018.

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