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Should I swap my Denon X4000 for Yamaha RX-A680?

I have 5.1 Goldenear Triton 2 speakers, and use 90pct for home theater and 10pct for music

I own the Denon and have been happy with it except for 4k HDR, though I have a video switch which alleviates that
So someone can give me their Yamaha, and I can resell the Denon
The question is how much of a difference in audio quality is there?

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Well the only thing I can say is I prefer the sound of Yamaha over Denon and I have experience with both. I've had many Yamaha HT receivers and the last one I had I had over 10 years. I upgraded to 4k so I needed a 4k receiver. I found a great deal on 3400H and while I have no complaints I feel the sound is different than Yamaha. The Yamaha seemed lively. The Denon is more laid back. That just what I have found anyway. You may like the Denon more laid back sound over the liveliness of Yamaha. I just prefer Yamaha.
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I have 5.1 Goldenear Triton 2 speakers, and use 90pct for home theater and 10pct for music

I own the Denon and have been happy with it except for 4k HDR, though I have a video switch which alleviates that
So someone can give me their Yamaha, and I can resell the Demon
The question is how much of a difference in audio quality is there?
Take the given Yamaha and try it out. If you feel it is better than your older Denon then sell the x4000.

You don't need us to make that decision for you since you have access to both AVR's.

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Take the given Yamaha and try it out. If you feel it is better than your older Denon then sell the x4000.

You don't need us to make that decision for you since you have access to both AVR's.
Taking apart the slew of cables from my Denon will take work. Also the Yamaha is a choice from a gift catalog so I have to know I want it before selecting it
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Should I swap my Demon...
Yes, get rid of your demon and you will feel more inner peace.

If you are being given the Yamaha, why don't you swap and see? Then sell the one you like less. Do try and run the Audyssey and YPAO to see which you are happier with.
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i guess my question is whether the x4000 is i a different class than the a680 so that its doubtful that ill want to switch. and i should use my gift selection on something else (not an AVR)
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i guess my question is whether the x4000 is i a different class than the a680 so that its doubtful that ill want to switch. and i should use my gift selection on something else (not an AVR)
Much higher class, more comparable to the A2080 (all be it older technology). The X4000 is a $1299 7CH model expandable to 9CH w/2CH amp using the most advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 as well as Sub EQ HT (independent dual sub level/delay) while the A680 is simply a newer 7CH model $699 with only a single EQ mic position and no individual speaker crossovers. Also where as Audyssey will EQ the speakers down to 10Hz (or the limitation of the speaker whichever is higher) the A680 can only EQ speakers down to 62Hz.

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Much higher class, more comparable to the A2080 (all be it older technology). The X4000 is a $1299 7CH model expandable to 9CH w/2CH amp using the most advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 as well as Sub EQ HT (independent dual sub level/delay) while the A680 is simply a newer 7CH model $699 with only a single EQ mic position and no individual speaker crossovers. Also where as Audyssey will EQ the speakers down to 10Hz (or the limitation of the speaker whichever is higher) the A680 can only EQ speakers down to 62Hz.
Thanks, that's what i was looking to find out.
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i guess my question is whether the x4000 is i a different class than the a680 so that its doubtful that ill want to switch. and i should use my gift selection on something else (not an AVR)
Right now you can buy the Yamaha Rx-V2085 from Adorama.com for $799( free shipping)
People say it is a clone of the Yamaha A2080 without the fifth foot and has 1 year less warranty

I would snag that one over either of the options you are considering. The build quality of Yamaha units at that level is extremely good


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Right now you can buy the Yamaha Rx-V2085 from Adorama.com for $799( free shipping)
People say it is a clone of the Yamaha A2080 without the fifth foot and has 1 year less warranty

I would snag that one over either of the options you are considering. The build quality of Yamaha units at that level is extremely good


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Thanks, I think I will go for the RX-V2085
are there others in that price range (or lower) that you'd recommend or would that be the best of the bunch?
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Thanks, I think I will go for the RX-V2085
are there others in that price range (or lower) that you'd recommend or would that be the best of the bunch?
You could just go with a more recent Denon X4500 or X3500 if you don't need more than 7 channels. Both have audyssey XT32, pre-outs, HDR and all the latest bells and whistles. Both can be found at significant discount if you shop around,

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You could just go with a more recent Denon X4500 or X3500 if you don't need more than 7 channels. Both have audyssey XT32, pre-outs, HDR and all the latest bells and whistles. Both can be found at significant discount if you shop around,
Thanks - there seems to be a BIG difference in price between the X4500 and X3500 - are they in the same class (sound wise ) as what I have. What's the diff between them?
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Thanks - there seems to be a BIG difference in price between the X4500 and X3500 - are they in the same class (sound wise ) as what I have. What's the diff between them?
The X4500 can process 9 channels (11 with external amp) and a few more watts per channel. The X3500 can't be expanded beyond 7 channels. Both have pre-outs for the addition of an external amp if you need one and both have audyssey XT32. I don't expect there to a difference in sound quality. Both Very good AVR's IMO.

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My room size is about 15 x24' so I don't picture myself going more than 7 channels.
Is the sound quality really the same - if so, I'm better off with the X3500 (for $500)
Will I notice a big difference if I go with RX-V2085 for $800?
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My room size is about 15 x24' so I don't picture myself going more than 7 channels.
Is the sound quality really the same - if so, I'm better off with the X3500 (for $500)
Will I notice a big difference if I go with RX-V2085 for $800?
The v2085 competes with the x4400/4500, as it has more power and more channels than the x3500. Most of us will not be able to hear the difference in a few extra watts of power. Denon has xt32 and is known for being an excellent HT receiver while Yamaha is known for reliability and being very musical.

The x3500 was way ahead in features but everyone seems to have caught up in 2019 (lx304, a880, rz730/830, lx503, tsr-7850, etc.) however what sets it apart is audyssey xt32 and dual sub control. If you have minidsp and umik for dual subs, then get whichever receiver has your favorite wireless system; heos, playfi, musiccast, etc.

Otherwise at that price, the x3500h is going to be very hard to beat!

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The v2085 competes with the x4400/4500, as it has more power and more channels than the x3500. Most of us will not be able to hear the difference in a few extra watts of power. Denon has xt32 and is known for being an excellent HT receiver while Yamaha is known for reliability and being very musical.

The x3500 was way ahead in features but everyone seems to have caught up in 2019 (lx304, a880, rz730/830, lx503, tsr-7850, etc.) however what sets it apart is audyssey xt32 and dual sub control. If you have minidsp and umik for dual subs, then get whichever receiver has your favorite wireless system; heos, playfi, musiccast, etc.

Otherwise at that price, the x3500h is going to be very hard to beat!

good luck!

I haven't seen a Yamaha 2085 in person. But if its essentially an A2080...then the build quality is going to be significantly better than the Denon X4400/X4500
In fact I put it in line with the Denon X6400 in that regard

However..I get that its all about more channels per dollar these days and so the manufacturers have to cut where they think they can on these models
The Pioneer LX503 is a perfect example...cheaper than its predecessor and more channels
Too bad about that amp / power supply that took a downgrade

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I doubt you'll hear much difference between whatever you choose. I've had many audyssey and Yamaha receivers and I don't notice much difference between YPAO and Audyssey. Setting distances, volumes and eq'ing isn't exactly rocket science.
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Oops correction, seems the best price from an authorized dealer on the x3500 is $600. So still debating vs the Yamaha at $800
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I doubt you'll hear much difference between whatever you choose. I've had many audyssey and Yamaha receivers and I don't notice much difference between YPAO and Audyssey. Setting distances, volumes and eq'ing isn't exactly rocket science.

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Oops correction, seems the best price from an authorized dealer on the x3500 is $600. So still debating vs the Yamaha at $800

Factor in the generally better reliability with Yamaha. The 2085 is nearly the TOTL in Yamaha's AVRs. I've bought many Yamaha's over the past 10 years, none have died on me. I sell older ones to friends and family, my nephew's HTR-7065, vintage 2010(?), or my brother's RX-V771 from 2011(?). I have a HTR-7810 in the bedroom, can't recall the year, probably 2015(?). I'll keep buying Yamaha until they crap on me, like Onkyo did around 2006-10. Yeah, I'm a hard learner!

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Oops correction, seems the best price from an authorized dealer on the x3500 is $600. So still debating vs the Yamaha at $800
Some prefer Denon, some prefer Yamaha. Both very good choices so it comes down to how much you want to spend. I've had 3 Denons and still haven't had one crap out. The Yamaha is a $1600 AVR so you're getting a real good deal on it. The Denon has audyssey XT32, dual sub HT and you're not paying more for channels you don't need. The Denon is also a good deal.

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