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Best 7.1 home theater receiver for under $400?

I'm currently using an older Onkyo that doesn't have HDMI support. It's over 15 years old and still works great, so I was leaning towards that brand. I also hear good things about Yamaha.

I was considering the Onkyo TX-NR686 or 676. I'm not sure how much better "THX certified" really makes one sound.
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I'm currently using an older Onkyo that doesn't have HDMI support. It's over 15 years old and still works great, so I was leaning towards that brand. I also hear good things about Yamaha.

I was considering the Onkyo TX-NR686 or 676. I'm not sure how much better "THX certified" really makes one sound.
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Denon X1500 currently on close-out. Brand new with full warranty.
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This Denon AVR-S740H also caught my eye. I'm not sure what makes it less expensive than the X1500H considering it has more watts per channel, but Amazon has a 5% off coupon on it:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...BJHTGUFA&psc=1

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Denon AVR-S750H or the Sony STR-DH790. If you could increase your budget by an extra $100, the Yamaha RX-V585 or the Denon AVR-S950H.
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Denon AVR-S750H or the Sony STR-DH790. If you could increase your budget by an extra $100, the Yamaha RX-V585 or the Denon AVR-S950H.
I see the S750H here for $300. Is that site legit? It's refurbished but comes with a 1 year warranty.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...specifications

I see the same company sells it on Amazon too. I'm also trying to find the watts per channel. Online I'm seeing 75, 110, and 165.

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Accessories4less is legit...

No worries buying from them.
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Bet bet is the Yamaha TSR-7850 from CostCo....
A stock, great warranty, only AVR brand that is HDMI/HDCP certified....

Just my $0.02.....
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This Denon AVR-S740H also caught my eye. I'm not sure what makes it less expensive than the X1500H considering it has more watts per channel, but Amazon has a 5% off coupon on it:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...BJHTGUFA&psc=1
the 1500 has the higher quality audessey room correction.
check out this thread for descriptions
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-8-a.html
i own three denons. all have been flawless, and one onkyo. im a little biased to the denons obviously. pick one that has the features you want, there are some good choices listed in your thread.
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I was at Costco yesterday, the TSR-7850 is $20 over your budget. Well worth it though.
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If you're an Onkyo fan this might interest you. Better than the nr676 or nr686

https://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-RZ82...gateway&sr=8-6
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I see the S750H here for $300. Is that site legit? It's refurbished but comes with a 1 year warranty.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...specifications

I see the same company sells it on Amazon too. I'm also trying to find the watts per channel. Online I'm seeing 75, 110, and 165.

This is the best AVR you can get for under $400. It's the Denon X2400H, which has a better version of Audyssey (XT...and yes, this matters.) vs. the others that have been recommended.

I own it, so I can definitely attest to it being a fantastic AVR, and a MAJOR ugrade (it's not even a close comparison) over the Onkyo NR656 that it replaced.

Here is the link for the "FACTORY" refurb from accessories4less for $319. It comes with a 1 year warranty, but I suggest adding additional coverage, which starts with 2 years (3 yrs. total) for $25.99. You can add up to 5 years (6 yrs. total) if you choose to do so.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ml#!warranties

As for your question regarding wattage, the one you mentioned is 75 WPC/2 Channels driven.


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Bet bet is the Yamaha TSR-7850 from CostCo....
A stock, great warranty, only AVR brand that is HDMI/HDCP certified....

Just my $0.02.....
By far, the best deal out there.
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If you're looking at the x2400 from AC4L then spend $10 more for the x2500. It adds a phono input and can overlay GUI over Dolby Vision. I own the x2400 and it is missing those two features. Good AVR otherwise.

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Thanks, a lot of good ones to consider.

One more from accessories4less that looks like a good deal. Been going over reviews for everything:

Onkyo TX-NR777

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html

I've never heard a Denon and know they're supposed to be one of the best sounding. One minor concern is I'm not an Apple user and most don't seem to support Chromecast. They all have Airplay though. May never use Chromecast anyway.

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Thanks, a lot of good ones to consider.

One more from accessories4less that looks like a good deal. Been going over reviews for everything:

Onkyo TX-NR777

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html
Don't let the WPC be the main determining factor if that's why you're considering this one. 95 WPC vs. 110 WPC isn't that big of a difference. What makes a HUGE difference is the room correction software & processing capabilities.

Whenever I stated that the difference between my Denon X2400H (Audyssey XT/95 WPC) and my Onkyo NR656 (AccuEQ/100 WPC) wasn't/isn't even close, is not an exaggeration. The bigger soundstage/spatial seperation is one of the biggest surprises, and the difference that it made when listening to music was also night & day. With the Onkyo I had to crank up the sub trim to get the low end that was needed, and voices were way too pronounced (especially women's voices). And again...the overall surround processing is SOOOO much better with the Denon.

This is in no way just me having a particular "brand bias". It's just some info from my recent upgrade experience that I wanted to share to help you make a good choice. That is after all why you're asking for help...is it not?


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Don't let the WPC be the main determining factor if that's why you're considering this one. 95 WPC vs. 110 WPC isn't that big of a difference. What makes a HUGE difference is the room correction software & processing capabilities.

Whenever I stated that the difference between my Denon X2400H (Audyssey XT/95 WPC) and my Onkyo NR656 (AccuEQ/100 WPC) wasn't/isn't even close, is not an exaggeration. The bigger soundstage/spatial seperation is one of the biggest surprises, and the difference that it made when listening to music was also night & day. With the Onkyo I had to crank up the sub trim to get the low end that was needed, and voices were way too pronounced (especially women's voices). And again...the overall surround processing is SOOOO much better with the Denon.

This is in no way just me having a particular "brand bias". It's just some info from my recent upgrade experience that I wanted to share to help you make a good choice. That is after all why you're asking for help...is it not?


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Yep that's why I'm here. I don't want to jump into anything.

Glad to hear your experience with both brands. I think before I commit I'll have to hear a few for myself. It would be hard with some of the discontinued models I'm looking at though. CNET seems biased towards Onkyo over Denon, calling Denons more "warm" but not as good for music in a couple reviews I read. I don't trust pro reviewers either and they don't review every model from every manufacturer. They don't even have a review for some of the ones in this thread.

Looking more into Audyssey it looks like quite a few people prefer that. Right now I think the AVR-X2500H may be the one. Anything would most likely be an improvement over my TX-SR702. I just got all new Polk S-series speakers and running them on an antique.
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Yep that's why I'm here. I don't want to jump into anything.

Glad to hear your experience with both brands. I think before I commit I'll have to hear a few for myself. It would be hard with some of the discontinued models I'm looking at though. CNET seems biased towards Onkyo over Denon, calling Denons more "warm" but not as good for music in a couple reviews I read. I don't trust pro reviewers either and they don't review every model from every manufacturer. They don't even have a review for some of the ones in this thread.
I think CNET is smoking crack.

A. Warm is what you generally want for music.

B. Denon is NOT considered warm by it's consumers, and has always been cited to be better for HT vs. Marantz. "WARM" would be the description of their counterpart, Marantz.

C. CNET is smoking crack!! Lol

D. It's hard to deny word of mouth by the consumers that own these products. Although, you do have to learn to read between the lines to an extent to be able differentiate between the biased reviews vs. the good, honest reviews.
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I assume the X2500H is the next year in line compared to the 2400. Just getting familiar with deciphering some of these part numbers.

I'll probably go ahead and order one tonight after doing a little more digging. No way will I find a place with discontinued receivers on display but some of these deals are worth a shot. Especially manufacturer refurbished with a warranty. The receiver I have now I paid over $400 for back in the day manufacturer refurbished and it hasn't skipped a beat. I hear they can be better than new since they've been double-checked for bugs.
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I assume the X2500H is the next year in line compared to the 2400. Just getting familiar with deciphering some of these part numbers.

I'll probably go ahead and order one tonight after doing a little more digging. No way will I find a place with discontinued receivers on display but some of these deals are worth a shot. Especially manufacturer refurbished with a warranty. The receiver I have now I paid over $400 for back in the day manufacturer refurbished and it hasn't skipped a beat. I hear they can be better than new since they've been double-checked for bugs.
Yes, the X2500H is the 2018 model, whereas the X2400H is the 2017 model, and for $10 more, you might as well get the X2500H.

Also, I actually hadn't thought about the refurbs possibly being better, but I like the way you're thinking here.

As far as demoing them, the only way to get a true representation of what it can do is by doing it "in-home" with it connected to YOUR speakers in YOUR room. Of course you'd have to purchase one first. Lol

Don't overthink it.
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Yes, the X2500H is the 2018 model, whereas the X2400H is the 2017 model, and for $10 more, you might as well get the X2500H.

Also, I actually hadn't thought about the refurbs possibly being better, but I like the way you're thinking here.

As far as demoing them, the only way to get a true representation of what it can do is by doing it "in-home" with it connected to YOUR speakers in YOUR room. Of course you'd have to purchase one first. Lol

Don't overthink it.
After reading every review I could find, I decided to try the Denon X2500H. It was almost a coin flip between that and the Onkyo TX-NR777. Both sounded like everything I was looking for and the refurbished prices were close. 95 watts should be more than I'll ever need even though the speakers are rated over 100. I don't plan on getting any knocks on my door.

Thanks everyone for the advice. Hopefully all goes well. This old TX-SR702 actually sounds great to me, but it just doesn't have any of the latest features and I know I'm missing out on something.
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After reading every review I could find, I decided to try the Denon X2500H. It was almost a coin flip between that and the Onkyo TX-NR777. Both sounded like everything I was looking for and the refurbished prices were close. 95 watts should be more than I'll ever need even though the speakers are rated over 100. I don't plan on getting any knocks on my door.

Thanks everyone for the advice. Hopefully all goes well. This old TX-SR702 actually sounds great to me, but it just doesn't have any of the latest features and I know I'm missing out on something.
Let us know your impressions once you've had a chance to get it dialed in properly.

Also, as stated previously, I wouldn't get too caught up on the wattage. Especially if you have a decent sensitivity rating on your speakers. Which I don't believe has been mentioned. What speakers do you have in your setup?

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Let us know your impressions once you've had a chance to get it dialed in properly.

Also, as stated previously, I wouldn't get too caught up on the wattage. Especially if you have a decent sensitivity rating on your speakers. Which I don't believe has been mentioned. What speakers do you have in your setup?
Polk S20 front, S10 surround, and S15 back surround. Right now a Micca MB42X-C for center that I mainly got because every other center channel I looked at was too long or too tall for the space I have and it didn't have terrible reviews. I can't put most centers directly in front of the TV since the LGC8 stand is so short it'll block the picture. Yamaha YST-SW012 sub.

It's in a small room and it's definitely overkill but whatever. Even at half volume on the current receiver it's way too loud.

So it looks like the sensitivity is 86dB-88. I'm not exactly sure what that means yet. lol

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Polk S20 front, S10 surround, and S15 back surround. Right now a Micca MB42X-C for center that I mainly got because every other center channel I looked at was too long or too tall for the space I have and it didn't have terrible reviews. I can't put most centers directly in front of the TV since the LGC8 stand is so short it'll block the picture. Yamaha YST-SW012 sub.

It's in a small room and it's definitely overkill but whatever. Even at half volume on the current receiver it's way too loud.

So it looks like the sensitivity is 86dB-88. I'm not exactly sure what that means yet. lol
When measured they were able to achieve 88 decibels @ 1 meter using 1 watt. So, when you factor in the size of your room, and how far your listening position is from your speakers, this determines how much wattage it will take to power your speakers. With higher efficiency speakers, you will get greater results with less distortion at higher a SPL.

I know this probably sounds pretty foreign to you, but if you decide to go deeper into this hobby, these are things that are good to learn about when deciding on better gear to upgrade to. Luckily, there is plenty of great gear available at a pretty reasonable price nowadays. Especially if you’re able to go the DIY route. This is where you get the best bang for the buck.

Oh...there is no such thing as overkill. It’s better to have more than you need, than not have enough when you need it.
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When measured they were able to achieve 88 decibels @ 1 meter using 1 watt. So, when you factor in the size of your room, and how far your listening position is from your speakers, this determines how much wattage it will take to power your speakers. With higher efficiency speakers, you will get greater results with less distortion at higher a SPL.

I know this probably sounds pretty foreign to you, but if you decide to go deeper into this hobby, these are things that are good to learn about when deciding on better gear to upgrade to. Luckily, there is plenty of great gear available at a pretty reasonable price nowadays. Especially if you’re able to go the DIY route. This is where you get the best bang for the buck.

Oh...there is no such thing as overkill. It’s better to have more than you need, than not have enough when you need it.
Ah ok. I'd say the farthest speaker is 9 feet away from the listening area. So I'd only need 3 watts to hit 88 dB with that speaker?

This is why I said overkill. It's in a very small room. I actually had a weaker system in my living room at one point. A bunch of tiny Bose cubes and it was loud even though pretty much all bass came from the acoustimass sub.
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Officially committed to the Denon AVR-X2500H and it should be here by Friday, next Monday at the latest.

So freakin excited. Plus I found out I'll be working 20 hours of overtime this week so it won't cost me anything.
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Officially committed to the Denon AVR-X2500H and it should be here by Friday, next Monday at the latest.

So freakin excited. Plus I found out I'll be working 20 hours of overtime this week so it won't cost me anything.
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Ah ok. I'd say the farthest speaker is 9 feet away from the listening area. So I'd only need 3 watts to hit 88 dB with that speaker?

This is why I said overkill. It's in a very small room. I actually had a weaker system in my living room at one point. A bunch of tiny Bose cubes and it was loud even though pretty much all bass came from the acoustimass sub.
Gotta love those overtime checks!

As for what we were talking about with sensitivity ratings, it's not as simple as what you're thinking. The thing here is, with every doubling of distance you lose up to...IIRC...6db, so you then have to factor in the additional power that it'll take to make up for that. And as many as I've seen it discussed on here, for whatever reason I can't recall the exact formula for it.

Nevertheless, it's just better to have high efficiency speakers.


Congrats on your new purchase and I look forward to your impressions,

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Officially committed to the Denon AVR-X2500H and it should be here by Friday, next Monday at the latest.

So freakin excited. Plus I found out I'll be working 20 hours of overtime this week so it won't cost me anything.
great choice!
i too have an avr-x2400 and i'm really happy with it. I'm sure you will be thrilled with it once you get it set up.
ps. with all that overtime i'd keep upgradingbuts thats me!
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Gotta love those overtime checks!

As for what we were talking about with sensitivity ratings, it's not as simple as what you're thinking. The thing here is, with every doubling of distance you lose up to...IIRC...6db, so you then have to factor in the additional power that it'll take to make up for that. And as many as I've seen it discussed on here, for whatever reason I can't recall the exact formula for it.

Nevertheless, it's just better to have high efficiency speakers.


Congrats on your new purchase and I look forward to your impressions,

Darrell
Thanks for all your input. I'll update once it arrives. It's coming from Florida and the hurricane will be following it up the coast, so I'm prepared for a delay.

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great choice!
i too have an avr-x2400 and i'm really happy with it. I'm sure you will be thrilled with it once you get it set up.
ps. with all that overtime i'd keep upgradingbuts thats me!
I'll see how everything sounds with the new receiver and go from there. The only way I can upgrade the center channel speaker with my setup would be to elevate the TV a few inches or find a way to mount one above it. It seems to be a common issue regarding sound bars and such with some models, like they don't take speaker placement into consideration when designing stands.
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I got the X2500 set up and ran Audyssey. It set the center and L/R fronts to large for some reason, and I figured that can't be right and set them to small. Finally figured out how to change sound modes with the remote and watched Infinity War on Netflix in DD.

First impression is that it handles surround way better than my old receiver. It really feels like things are flying past you; you can almost feel it. Completely different experience than what I was used to. The menus are fairly easy to navigate and most of it feels familiar.

One problem I've been working on his making adjustments for dialogue. I haven't spent a lot of time with it yet, but I'm having trouble with the clarity at times, like there's too much bass and not enough treble in the voices. Turning Dynamic EQ off to adjust tone didn't really make a difference. The crossovers for all speakers except surround were set to 40 during setup and I put them at 80 and didn't really hear a difference. My old receiver only had one crossover adjustment for everything so there's a bit of a learning curve for me there. I'm thinking I may need to run Audyssey again since I may have had the subwoofer turned down too low.

I'll continue playing with it this weekend and check more sources. Right now I've only experimented with streaming and sound is coming the TV HDMI ARC.

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there should be a dialogue level adjust. turn it on. you may have to play with the centre channel level.
see what happens when you rerun audyssey.
have fun!
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