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post #121 of 463 Old 12-31-2019, 06:52 PM
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I’️m not sure what you mean but I have been using my XMC2 all day today. 🙂
so how has everyone dealt with switching sources on these guys? I have added a layer of complexity since my unit is in a closet so I cannot simply fire the remote at it and configure it so simply
My setup is more traditional but I also use a Logitech Harmony to switch sources and the repeater is pointing at the XMC2.
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+1 for the Harmony - I'm using the Elite model.
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I hope it is just coincidence. For the RMC-1/XMC-2 to only work reliably with 48Gbps cables is not good.
No coincidence, just a lot of hdmi2.0b cables out there that aren't actually capable of a full 18gbps. Most of them in fact can't do it over about 12 feet, even if certified. I have a 20ft certified 2.0b cable that works fine with the xmc2, but I did my research and found one proven to work, and it actually does. Going with cables certified to 24gbps or higher means more likelihood that they can actually do 18gbps.

Watch when 2.1 actually starts becoming available and people start trying to play 8k media, most cables won't work with it, even if advertised as capable.
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I think good optical HDMI cable may help or solve problems with sync

This was the case for my JVC projector at least where regular '18gbps' cables simply didn't work up to their specs, while optical 18gbps HDMI worked. With Emo products can be similar.

I am considering XMC-2 or RMC-1L for my setup. Probably the first one looking to be the best bang for the buck. I am not discouraged by some initial problems (which hopefully will be solved at one point of time + Dirac added). Oppo 203 i.e. also had some problems at start and then turned out to be the great product.

Owning JVC projector made me patient with regard to HDMI sync times

I will shout when I buy XMC-2 and share my experience with it.

By the way, do you think there will be noticeable difference: XMC-2 vs RMC-1L to justify 1k$ difference?
The 2nd has fully differential inputs across all 16 channels, while XMC-2 only for LCR. Will I hear it ? I have 7.2.4 setup currently with 2 balanced power amps. Currently using unbalanced RCA connection. My plan is to use their balanced outputs and hook up to XMC-2 or RMC-1L.

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By the way, do you think there will be noticeable difference: XMC-2 vs RMC-1L to justify 1k$ difference?
The 2nd has fully differential inputs across all 16 channels, while XMC-2 only for LCR. Will I hear it ? I have 7.2.4 setup currently with 2 balanced power amps. Currently using unbalanced RCA connection. My plan is to use their balanced outputs and hook up to XMC-2 or RMC-1L.
It’s an interesting decision. I bought the XMC2 the first day it was released but if the RMC1L was available then, I would have liked to have the option.

The XMC2 is also fully balanced across all channels but only the LCR’s DACs are in “mono” mode, meaning 1 DAC per channel. The other channels are still fully balanced but each DAC supports 2 channels. RMC1L has 1 DAC for each channel in mono mode. This and the “nicer” front display and some better connectors in the back are what separates the XMC2 and the RMC1L. So the value is there for the XMC2.

Still, I watch a lot of movies and have full range surrounds (Revel F12). Whether that’s worth $1k it’s up to you. I have JBL in ceiling Atmos speakers too and they definitely don’t need anything special.

The important thing for me was that for music listening (2 channel), I was told by Emotiva at Axpona last year that there is no difference in sound quality. For movies the center is fully balanced and in “mono” mode, so you won’t hear a difference across the front 3. My Revel F12s are good but I don’t think they are worth having the mono mode surround DACs (I don’t even take the grills off).

Both options are good imho and you can’t go wrong but now there is the Monoprice HTP-1 at the RMC1L’s price point too for you to consider (if you haven’t already).
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It’s an interesting decision. I bought the XMC2 the first day it was released but if the RMC1L was available then, I would have liked to have the option.

The XMC2 is also fully balanced across all channels but only the LCR’s DACs are in “mono” mode, meaning 1 DAC per channel. The other channels are still fully balanced but each DAC supports 2 channels. RMC1L has 1 DAC for each channel in mono mode. This and the “nicer” front display and some better connectors in the back are what separates the XMC2 and the RMC1L. So the value is there for the XMC2.

Still, I watch a lot of movies and have full range surrounds (Revel F12). Whether that’s worth $1k it’s up to you. I have JBL in ceiling Atmos speakers too and they definitely don’t need anything special.

The important thing for me was that for music listening (2 channel), I was told by Emotiva at Axpona last year that there is no difference in sound quality. For movies the center is fully balanced and in “mono” mode, so you won’t hear a difference across the front 3. My Revel F12s are good but I don’t think they are worth having the mono mode surround DACs (I don’t even take the grills off).

Both options are good imho and you can’t go wrong but now there is the Monoprice HTP-1 at the RMC1L’s price point too for you to consider (if you haven’t already).
Indeed. I am in no rush. Can wait a bit to see when Dirac is implemented but since it may take awhile this is not a prerequisite. I am waiting for some reviews of XMC-2 vs RMC1L/RMC-1.

IMHO pre pro from Monoprice looks ugly so I don't even consider it Emotiva perfectly matches my current gear It's a matter of personal taste but the more I look on XMC-2 the more I like its design over RMC-1L...which I liked more at first...

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What are people's experiences with 1080P content on the XMC-2?

My Integra 80.3 pre/pro died for a second time (I chose it because Emotiva was having massive firmware issues with whatever their HDMI capable pre/pro was 8 years ago... lol) I need a replacement processor ASAP, but my setup isn't 4K and I'm in no hurry to upgrade my TV. Am I likely to avoid many of the HDMI switching issues that 4K users are having by sticking with regular HD?
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What are people's experiences with 1080P content on the XMC-2?

My Integra 80.3 pre/pro died for a second time (I chose it because Emotiva was having massive firmware issues with whatever their HDMI capable pre/pro was 8 years ago... lol) I need a replacement processor ASAP, but my setup isn't 4K and I'm in no hurry to upgrade my TV. Am I likely to avoid many of the HDMI switching issues that 4K users are having by sticking with regular HD?
I used a 1080P tv for a few days when i got my xmc2. You don’t need to get new hdmi cables until you buy a 4K tv.
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Indeed. I am in no rush. Can wait a bit to see when Dirac is implemented but since it may take awhile this is not a prerequisite. I am waiting for some reviews of XMC-2 vs RMC1L/RMC-1.

IMHO pre pro from Monoprice looks ugly so I don't even consider it Emotiva perfectly matches my current gear It's a matter of personal taste but the more I look on XMC-2 the more I like its design over RMC-1L...which I liked more at first...
Really? i think the RMC1L looks way better but the XMC2 is probably the sweet spot. Prepros don’t last forever so spending less for virtually the same performance makes more sense.
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how to connect two subs to xmc2 ? I have just RCA subs so no XLR outputs, but I have RCA to XLR cables for them.
Do I connect both subs to separate sub connections on XMC-2 and configure them as dual mono ?

Anyone knows when fw 1.7.6 will be out ?

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how to connect two subs to xmc2 ? I have just RCA subs so no XLR outputs, but I have RCA to XLR cables for them.
Do I connect both subs to separate sub connections on XMC-2 and configure them as dual mono ?

Anyone knows when fw 1.7.6 will be out ?

thanks.
If they are not symmetrically placed with respect to room boundaries and things around them and equidistant to the MLP I would use both outputs and run them dual-mono. That way the proper time delay will be applied to each. That is what I am doing with my XMC-1, anyway, and AFAIK it's the same on the XMC-2.

A number of folk in the RMC-1 threads here and on the Emotiva lounge are reporting success with 1.7.6 so hopefully soon.

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Dear Emotiva,

I am setting up my new XMC-2 in my home theater which is equipped with 9.2.6 speakers.

I understand that Dolby ATMOS specification only mentions one 1 subwoofer. I would like to use only CENTER SUB output to connect to my two Subwoofers. I am using the the other two subwoofer outputs for my height channels.

What is the best way to split one CENTER Sub to two of my Front sub-woofers?

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In order to feed the single XLR output on the center sub out to two subwoofers, you will need to use some sort of splitter. We offer our own XLR splitter here:

https://emotiva.com/collections/acce...ducts/xbal-1x2

Please let us know if you have any additional questions or we can help you further.

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When DIRAC becomes available for XMC-2, how would it recognize that I have two sub-woofers? How would the room correction work in my scenario?

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The XMC-2 will provide a maximum of 9.1.6 discrete output...there would not be a way to differentiate between two subwoofers if you are splitting the signal off of the center sub output on the XMC-2...both subs would receive the same adjustments.


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The solution most have used is to run the sub output through a miniDSP to adjust the individual subs so the XMC-2 (actually XMC-1 but same deal) "sees" a single sub. The miniDSP provides phase adjustment/time alignment and EQ for each sub to optimize the bass response.

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Per the Emotiva podcast, Emotiva has gotten the Dirac working and they will be rolling it out within the last 45 days.

They also will be rolling firmware version 1.8 that now has improved usability with snappy menu operation.

Things are looking up! Once I get Dirac, my XMC2 will be made whole.
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I am waiting till Dirac is in and if 1.8 turns to be that good as they say I will most likely join the XMC-2 camp

@Lsdec2 I think proportions and design of XMC-2 are better than RMC-1L which is too small comparing to RMC-1, the RMC-1L's volume knob and display are therefore out of proportions. IMHO RMC-1 looks best, then XMC-2 and then RMC-1L. I also prefer having dedicated direct nav + dim buttons

I found some review RMC-1 vs XMC-2 (google translate link to the original site):

https://translate.googleusercontent....5SbSnHcaA98JNA

(if you scroll down to product details section and click on expand "+" there are more details, which I find interesting.

Based on what they say RMC-1 has the edge over xmc2 in terms of 'surround sound atmosphere' (no surprise here since 2k difference, DAC's operating in mono on all channels in RMC-1), front stage no differences);
'the atmosphere compared to other 11-channel pre-pro models of the Japanese camp, it must be considered to perform better at a satisfactory level'
'Except to fight with the only advantage that can be seen at this time is the ease of use. Smooth at the pre-11 Japanese channel is still better than almost every 16-channel pre and all brands'

BTW anyone seen other reviews of XMC-2 ?

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Well I’m subscribed. I’m about a month or so away from making a purchase, either the XMC 2 or the Marantz 7705. I’ve been building a new system over the past year for a house I’m moving into at the end of the month. I still have to do the theatre build so I have some time until I make the purchase. The last two items I need are the pre pro and the projector.
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Shipped the XMC-1 back yesterday for the trade-in. I figure even if Dirac is delayed a bit more, we are converging now. And I'll enjoy the exercise of making a set of REW PEQ filters to compare in the interim.

FYI, I asked about typical turn-around time and Kayla said 5-7 days. Shipping instructions and accessory checklist were very helpful! I was very relieved to find all my accessories and intact original packing materials.

And so what to do in the meantime? Well ... OPPO-205! Balanced L/R outputs connected to my Nord amp and Magnepan 3.7's for stereo sound; AppleTV connected to HDMI input for all video content; TV connected to HDMI output; USB DAC connected to the PC to stream 2-channel music; Ethernet connected to stream multichannel music from the PC; all audio configured to down-mix to stereo.
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XMC-2 Shipped Same Day

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Shipped the XMC-1 back yesterday for the trade-in. I figure even if Dirac is delayed a bit more, we are converging now. And I'll enjoy the exercise of making a set of REW PEQ filters to compare in the interim.

FYI, I asked about typical turn-around time and Kayla said 5-7 days. Shipping instructions and accessory checklist were very helpful! I was very relieved to find all my accessories and intact original packing materials.

And so what to do in the meantime? Well ... OPPO-205! Balanced L/R outputs connected to my Nord amp and Magnepan 3.7's for stereo sound; AppleTV connected to HDMI input for all video content; TV connected to HDMI output; USB DAC connected to the PC to stream 2-channel music; Ethernet connected to stream multichannel music from the PC; all audio configured to down-mix to stereo.
I shipped XMC-1 Monday, Emotiva received Wednesday and shipped XMC-2 same day, delivery will be Friday. Great customer service with email status every step of the way.

BTW I actually had ordered some RCA to XLR adapters so I could plug my center, sub and surrounds into the OPPO 205 but no need to do that now.
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I’ll be interested in what firmware version you guys will be getting. I’m on v1.8 beta as a beta tester and things are looking great. I think there is still one outstanding issue they may be looking at but otherwise it seems very close.

I watched various YouTube videos, YouTubeTV, Disney+ and a little Netflix yesterday and everything worked very well.

There was one little issue that I think is due to my C7 OLED TV’s buggy ARC/CEC but other than that, it’s working very smooth.

Looks like we are getting close to having Dirac too.
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I’ll be interested in what firmware version you guys will be getting. I’m on v1.8 beta as a beta tester and things are looking great. I think there is still one outstanding issue they may be looking at but otherwise it seems very close.

I watched various YouTube videos, YouTubeTV, Disney+ and a little Netflix yesterday and everything worked very well.

There was one little issue that I think is due to my C7 OLED TV’s buggy ARC/CEC but other than that, it’s working very smooth.

Looks like we are getting close to having Dirac too.
Mine came with 1.7. I see in Emotiva Lounge they expect to release 1.8 on Monday.
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I’️ll be interested in what firmware version you guys will be getting. I’️m on v1.8 beta as a beta tester and things are looking great. I think there is still one outstanding issue they may be looking at but otherwise it seems very close.

I watched various YouTube videos, YouTubeTV, Disney+ and a little Netflix yesterday and everything worked very well.

There was one little issue that I think is due to my C7 OLED TV’️s buggy ARC/CEC but other than that, it’️s working very smooth.

Looks like we are getting close to having Dirac too.
Mine came with 1.7. I see in Emotiva Lounge they expect to release 1.8 on Monday.
1.8 is gonna be a colossal improvement over 1.7.
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XMC-2 is up and running with no issues! The startup sequence is somewhat daunting with multiple "Please Wait" and dark pauses, so doing the video on mode definitely helps. I had to use the Dr HDMI as with the XMC-1 to get my PC to see the XMC-2 as a sound device and in JRiver Media Center. It does not see the USB DAC right now ... might need a driver.

I'm configured 7.1, and sound is excellent with just levels, delays and a first pass at PEQ from REW measurements. The sound has a brightness and clarity and spaciousness (especially in surround modes) that I believe is a definite improvement over the XMC-1. This was my first impression with both music and video, and then I read another post in the Emo Lounge where someone else described it similarly. Very pleased so far.

PEQ filters are a bit of a learning curve. I had used Dirac for a year and a half with the XMC-1 and was proficient at getting what I wanted. I believe to use PEQ effectively with REW I have to measure and correct the Sub first, then measure the other channels with bass management on, then create correction filters for the other channels. Measuring all channels including the sub (with no filters) results in the filters EQ'ing the Sub twice. More experiments to confirm this.

And a quibble ... it would be nice to see a table in the manual with the PEQ filter file naming convention, rather than have to export a file and read it to figure out how it works.

Hopefully Firmware V1.8 will have some improvements ... and very much hoping Dirac is on schedule for March.

Edit: I just saw in the EMO Lounge someone reported that PEQ for Subs is not working and Filter1 is acting like a shelving (not bandpass) filter. That explains what I saw. Hopefully this gets fixed. It would be nice to see an official post on this so more people don't waste hours trying to make it work.
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I’ll be interested in what firmware version you guys will be getting. I’m on v1.8 beta as a beta tester and things are looking great. I think there is still one outstanding issue they may be looking at but otherwise it seems very close.

I watched various YouTube videos, YouTubeTV, Disney+ and a little Netflix yesterday and everything worked very well.

There was one little issue that I think is due to my C7 OLED TV’s buggy ARC/CEC but other than that, it’s working very smooth.

Looks like we are getting close to having Dirac too.
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XMC-2 is up and running with no issues! The startup sequence is somewhat daunting with multiple "Please Wait" and dark pauses, so doing the video on mode definitely helps. I had to use the Dr HDMI as with the XMC-1 to get my PC to see the XMC-2 as a sound device and in JRiver Media Center. It does not see the USB DAC right now ... might need a driver.

I'm configured 7.1, and sound is excellent with just levels, delays and a first pass at PEQ from REW measurements. The sound has a brightness and clarity and spaciousness (especially in surround modes) that I believe is a definite improvement over the XMC-1. This was my first impression with both music and video, and then I read another post in the Emo Lounge where someone else described it similarly. Very pleased so far.

PEQ filters are a bit of a learning curve. I had used Dirac for a year and a half with the XMC-1 and was proficient at getting what I wanted. I believe to use PEQ effectively with REW I have to measure and correct the Sub first, then measure the other channels with bass management on, then create correction filters for the other channels. Measuring all channels including the sub (with no filters) results in the filters EQ'ing the Sub twice. More experiments to confirm this.

And a quibble ... it would be nice to see a table in the manual with the PEQ filter file naming convention, rather than have to export a file and read it to figure out how it works.

Hopefully Firmware V1.8 will have some improvements ... and very much hoping Dirac is on schedule for March.

Edit: I just saw in the EMO Lounge someone reported that PEQ for Subs is not working and Filter1 is acting like a shelving (not bandpass) filter. That explains what I saw. Hopefully this gets fixed. It would be nice to see an official post on this so more people don't waste hours trying to make it work.
So ... I reset all the XMC-2 filters. My subs are connected to the Center Sub output through a miniDSP. I measured the sub response and created filters in REW just for the sub, and loaded them into the miniDSP. Then measured all channels. Here's the result with Variable Smoothing. I found that setting the L/R as Large and enabling Enhanced Bass smoothed a couple dips at the low end. Crossovers: L/R 40Hz, C 200Hz, SL/SR 80Hz. I may try to use the XMC-2 filters to tame the two humps in the L/R 40-100Hz to see if at least that will work.
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So ... I reset all the XMC-2 filters. My subs are connected to the Center Sub output through a miniDSP. I measured the sub response and created filters in REW just for the sub, and loaded them into the miniDSP. Then measured all channels. Here's the result with Variable Smoothing. I found that setting the L/R as Large and enabling Enhanced Bass smoothed a couple dips at the low end. Crossovers: L/R 40Hz, C 200Hz, SL/SR 80Hz. I may try to use the XMC-2 filters to tame the two humps in the L/R 40-100Hz to see if at least that will work.
I'm anxiously awaiting your readings after Dirac is implemented.
And your impressions of what differences- both good and bad- are between the XMC-1 Dirac Full and the XMC-2 version.

"When all else fails, read the manual."
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Firmware 1.8 is up on the Emotiva XMC-2 Thread via dropbox.
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Installed and working okay so far. But I and others have had some false starts with the update. I recommend before installing reboot by turning power off (maybe even pull the plug for a minute) and see that the unit comes up clean with no issues. Then do the update.

In case anyone is wondering, Dirac was not expected to be (nor is it) included in this update.
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I was able to just download the firmware update, plug it in and run it.

I’m a little baffled by the different experiences doing the same functionality. I wonder what the cause is.
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Can I download cal.files for xmc-2 mic? My plan is for Rew room calibration software!
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Tried to update to firmware 1.8. Doesnt work, it start to update but get stuck on half! I have follow the intructions exactly! /Regards
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Tried to update to firmware 1.8. Doesnt work, it start to update but get stuck on half! I have follow the intructions exactly! /Regards
Try unplugging the XMC-2, wait a couple minutes, turn it back on and let it fully boot ... try again. Be patient when it says "Please Wait"
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