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Trinnov and Triad DTS:X Pro Demo at CEDIA 2019

Per Trinnov:

"DTS:X PRO DEMONSTRATION: First of all, Trinnov will be the first company to bring DTS:X Pro technology to home theaters through our Altitude platform. This technology will make its North American debut in Sound Room 19, where Trinnov will entertain show visitors with an active 11.4.6 channel immersive audio system with Triad speakers and Home Theatre Environment, in a custom-built HTE acoustical environment."

I went. I listened. I came out thinking it was the best audio demo I heard at the show (admittedly I did not hear all of them, but it beat Wisdom Audio in my admittedly subjective experience).

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DTS:X Pro is a 3D immersive sound technology that supports 30.2 discrete speaker channels and can scale dynamically depending on the source as well as the speaker system layout. It includes a new upmixer, DTS Neural:XTM that’s designed to render audio objects at precise locations with whatever speaker layout is implemented. Trinnov Altitude32 and Altitude16 processors are the first to offer DTS:X Pro.

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Alcons with StormAudio should be better. Did you hear the demo of Alcons? Storm also comes with DTS Xpro and 24 channels of decoding.
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Alcons with StormAudio should be better. Did you hear the demo of Alcons? Storm also comes with DTS Xpro and 24 channels of decoding.
I missed Alcons this year, unfortunately. I've heard it in years past and I'm sure it's at this level. I just plain ran out of time.

I'm a fan of StormAudio having reviewed their hardware in the past.

Trinnov's demo was pretty darned impeccable, I'm hard pressed to find areas to improve upon. I'm not a fan of mega-SPL so that aspect of Alcons does not put it over the top for me, personally.
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I missed Alcons this year, unfortunately. I've heard it in years past and I'm sure it's at this level. I just plain ran out of time.

I'm a fan of StormAudio having reviewed their hardware in the past.

Trinnov's demo was pretty darned impeccable, I'm hard pressed to find areas to improve upon. I'm not a fan of mega-SPL so that aspect of Alcons does not put it over the top for me, personally.
So it sounds like the Gold Monitors had the capacity to keep up with the dynamics in a relatively large space? Did you listen to any music only material?
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So it sounds like the Gold Monitors had the capacity to keep up with the dynamics in a relatively large space? Did you listen to any music only material?

On Friday AM they demonstrated DTS:X "whirligig ping-pong sounds", Shallow 'Live" from A Star is Born, and shot-gun blasts from John Wick 3. No music only cuts were played.


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On Friday AM they demonstrated DTS:X "whirligig ping-pong sounds", Shallow 'Live" from A Star is Born, and shot-gun blasts from John Wick 3. No music only cuts were played.


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That's the standard demo and what I saw.

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Alcons with StormAudio should be better. Did you hear the demo of Alcons? Storm also comes with DTS Xpro and 24 channels of decoding.
Sorry [email protected], but it wasn't (why should it have been?). The Alcons demo was good but not on par with those which utilized Trinnov or the Dolby CP850 for me. The StormAudio Mark2 was only a prototype. They do not have 24ch or Dts:X Pro yet. The Mark2 will be ready sometime in 2020 according to the StormAudio rep.

These Sound Rooms were not ideal and Wisdom had the benefit of a larger space (ballroom) vs the temporary Sound Rooms. Also, Triads' SR seemed to be better constructed than all of the rest (room-within-a-room). There is also the superiority of the Trinnov Room Optimizer to consider.
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DTS:X Pro is a 3D immersive sound technology that supports 30.2 discrete speaker channels and can scale dynamically depending on the source as well as the speaker system layout. It includes a new upmixer, DTS Neural:XTM that’s designed to render audio objects at precise locations with whatever speaker layout is implemented. Trinnov Altitude32 and Altitude16 processors are the first to offer DTS:X Pro.
DTS Neural:XTM does not exist as a new acronym for the new upmixer, it's just DTS Neural:X with a superscript TM (Trade Mark) next to it.
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Sorry [email protected], but it wasn't (why should it have been?). The Alcons demo was good but not on par with those which utilized Trinnov or the Dolby CP850 for me. The StormAudio Mark2 was only a prototype. They do not have 24ch or Dts:X Pro yet. The Mark2 will be ready sometime in 2020 according to the StormAudio rep.

These Sound Rooms were not ideal and Wisdom had the benefit of a larger space (ballroom) vs the temporary Sound Rooms. Also, Triads' SR seemed to be better constructed than all of the rest (room-within-a-room). There is also the superiority of the Trinnov Room Optimizer to consider.
I did not hear it myself, I just rely on the contributions of the other people, so I also asked if it has heard the Alcons too.
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Which were the base layer speaker locations in this demo room? Center, Front, Front Wide, Surround 1, Surround 2, Rear surround or some other combination?

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Triad had (3) fronts, (4-6) surrounds, (2) wides, (6) Atmos and (4) subs.

The speakers consisted of Gold Monitors, Gold Mini Monitors, Platinum and Silver Subs.

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Will the upmixer that is included with DTS:X Pro upmix to more connected speakers than it already does now?
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Will the upmixer that is included with DTS:X Pro upmix to more connected speakers than it already does now?
Yes. DTS:X and its upmixer Neural:X were always capable of using more speakers than the current 11-speaker limit. The only thing DTS:X Pro does is remove the 11-speaker limit, allowing DTS:X and Neural:X to use up to 30 speakers.
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Did you all take notice of the "movie" intro via the K-Scape? KScape allowed demo partners to produce and upload a intro movie that could be inserted via scripting. Would love to see that publicly available....
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Yes. DTS:X and its upmixer Neural:X were always capable of using more speakers than the current 11-speaker limit. The only thing DTS:X Pro does is remove the 11-speaker limit, allowing DTS:X and Neural:X to use up to 30 speakers.
I've been under the impression that DTS:X is not object based but channel based. Is that true and/or is that still true with DTS:X Pro?
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I've been under the impression that DTS:X is not object based but channel based. Is that true and/or is that still true with DTS:X Pro?
The DTS:X format can do channels or objects or both, but it's typically been deployed on home video as 11.1 channels. The Pro designation simply means that the number of outputs (speakers) is no longer limited to 11. Nothing else changes with Pro.
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This is awful news. Now I won't be able to complain about the lack of use of my existing 9.x.6 channels and may be forced to buy even more "stuff"

What would make this a Grand Slam would be to be able to use this up-mixer on Dolby encoded films. Since DSU can't (won't?) up mix to more channels, this restriction clearly shows that Dolby is trying to be the 800 pound gorilla!!
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This demo was tight and super impressive. Had goosebumps after, easily one of the best ever demos I have sat for the past 5 years.

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Hi guys,

The demo sounds great, I wish I could have been at CEDIA to experience it!

I have a 9.6.2 Trinnov Altitude 16 setup in a dedicated sound engineered room. Did Trinnov say that DTS:X Pro will be available as a firmware update to existing owners? In my setup, will it be an improvement on DTS:X?

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Great demo. Loved the punch of the bass and the crystal clear sound. I heard louder at the show, but not better. Much respect to the crew that put that room together.
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In case you're not aware, there's a dedicated Altitude thread in the High End forum where this is discussed.

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Platinum and Silver Subs.
I think the platinum was the 18s in the front and the silver was the inwall 12s in the back. Normally I think of the same subs being used all around, what was the thinking here? Does using a smaller pair in the back help reduce the "boominess" back there? I know the demo guy said that back row was a bit livelier than the middle and front rows, but I never sat back there (I was in the middle).
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Hi guys,

The demo sounds great, I wish I could have been at CEDIA to experience it!

I have a 9.6.2 Trinnov Altitude 16 setup in a dedicated sound engineered room. Did Trinnov say that DTS:X Pro will be available as a firmware update to existing owners? In my setup, will it be an improvement on DTS:X?

Thanks
The right place to ask this would be in the Trinnov thread, but the answer is yes. I assume you have wides, which get used very little in Atmos and none in DTS:X. They will get used. So you have 6 subs channels on the Trinnov and 2 height speakers?
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The right place to ask this would be in the Trinnov thread, but the answer is yes. I assume you have wides, which get used very little in Atmos and none in DTS:X. They will get used. So you have 6 subs channels on the Trinnov and 2 height speakers?
In a 9.6.2 setup the wides are pretty active with both Neural X upmixing and Dts:X (w/Neural X).

I don't watch meters too often but I feel like Wides are utilized moderately w/Atmos.
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The DTS:X format can do channels or objects or both, but it's typically been deployed on home video as 11.1 channels. The Pro designation simply means that the number of outputs (speakers) is no longer limited to 11. Nothing else changes with Pro.
Just FYI, the Dts:X Pro demo trailer was produced by Trinnov and utilizes objects.

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What would make this a Grand Slam would be to be able to use this up-mixer on Dolby encoded films. Since DSU can't (won't?) up mix to more channels, this restriction clearly shows that Dolby is trying to be the 800 pound gorilla!!
You can utilize Neural X upmixing on anything ≤7.1. So not the Atmos mix but the core can be upmixed.
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In a 9.6.2 setup the wides are pretty active with both Neural X upmixing and Dts:X (w/Neural X).

I don't watch meters too often but I feel like Wides are utilized moderately w/Atmos.
I have NEVER seen Wides used with Neural:X (but I don't watch meters constantly while I am watching movies) and they are very seldom used in Atmos
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I have NEVER seen Wides used with Neural:X (but I don't watch meters constantly while I am watching movies) and they are very seldom used in Atmos
I don't think you have ever run 9.x.2 have you? Change your layout and you'll hear them come alive. It should be a nice preview of Pro for you.

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I don't think you have ever run 9.x.2 have you? Change your layout and you'll hear them come alive. It should be a nice preview of Pro for you.
If I must only have 2 ceiling speakers operating to activate wides, I will pass.
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If I must only have 2 ceiling speakers operating to activate wides, I will pass.
That is what the poster you were responding to is running.
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