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AVR with Preouts for $500-$600?

Possible to get find an AVR with preouts in the $500-$600 range?

Sales, clearance, closeout, refurb, used?

Don't need the latest bells whistles, but should have multiple HDMIs inputs for various devices.

Mostly used for driving 2.2 music and some TV/streaming.

Need preouts to add amps.

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Denon X3500H.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Where can you find it for $500?
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Where can you find it for $500?
check accessories4less.com

They have several AVRs with preouts in your price range

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Where can you find it for $500?
Refurb at accessories4less. (I suggest that you read their returns policy. I have done business with them, and would again, but some people don't like it.)

You might also contact dealers who post here, like "jdsmoothie". I haven't done business with him, but he has been very generous with his knowledge.
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Marantz NR1508/NR1509 and NR1608/NR1609 all have Front L/R pre-outs only and are on clearance as their newer 2019 models (NR1510/NR1610) have been released.
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Refurb at accessories4less. (I suggest that you read their returns policy. I have done business with them, and would again, but some people don't like it.)

You might also contact dealers who post here, like "jdsmoothie". I haven't done business with him, but he has been very generous with his knowledge.

Thanks for the reminder. I was informed of A4L return policies in other threads.
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Marantz NR1508/NR1509 and NR1608/NR1609 all have Front L/R pre-outs only and are on clearance as their newer 2019 models (NR1510/NR1610) have been released.
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The new Marantz NR1200

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Thanks, I like Maranzt options as I only need 2 channels with HDMI and preouts for my living room setup.

Where can I find good prices on the older NEW Marantz?
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Try Crutchfield for the Marantz new

Amazon and several other vendors also have the nr1509 and nr1609 in your price range for new units.

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$400 for the NR1509 on Amazon.

Good price? Has it been lower?
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Seems like the normal discounted price when they clear out previous year's model. If that is the unit you're looking for, get it

I haven't researched Marantz slimline receivers so have no clue if it was ever lower, but seems like a good price now.

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Lots of good options here.

Any thoughts on the Yamaha A880, A1080, for 2.0 channel music? Overkill?
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@smokarz overkill is not a real word here, even though I did just tell someone in another thread that the Yammy a3080 is overkill for his 5.1 setup. my bad!

With that said, you could even drop down to the v685, tsr-7850 (costco) or a780 as they all have LR preouts. When you go up to the a870/880 you get a little more power, full preouts and better room correction. Then up to the a1070/1080 you get more power, much better dacs and I believe the same good room correction solution as the a880.
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The Marantz 6013 is around $750 at A4L, given it is being closed out, is that a good price, or would it go lower at A4L?


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The Marantz 6013 is around $750 at A4L, given it is being closed out, is that a good price, or would it go lower at A4L?


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We're not supposed to enter into price discussions in the forums.

However, since the SR6013 can be found in multiple places for $900 new, a refurb for $750 isn't a great bargain, IMHO.
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Tough choices between the Marantz slime line and the Yama A series.

I like the Marantz look, but with 50 wpc...feels like I need to get an AMP right away.

With the Yammie....at least I can live without an external amp for a while.

For reference, I currently have the Yamaha RXV673. I am getting the Polk LsiM703 coming soon, and I hear these babies need some headroom to sing.
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Tough choices between the Marantz slime line and the Yama A series.



I like the Marantz look, but with 50 wpc...feels like I need to get an AMP right away.



With the Yammie....at least I can live without an external amp for a while.



For reference, I currently have the Yamaha RXV673. I am getting the Polk LsiM703 coming soon, and I hear these babies need some headroom to sing.

I don’t think that headroom makes anything sing.

The difference between 50 watts and 100 watts is 3dB. Nothing big.

It all depends on how loud you listen. My guess, you never use more than 5 watts, most people do and don’t realize it.
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Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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$400 for the NR1509 on Amazon.

Good price? Has it been lower?

There are some cool apps/add ons to watch price histories. "The Camelizer" with Firefox at Amazon..
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There are some cool apps/add ons to watch price histories. "The Camelizer" with Firefox at Amazon..


Very cool. Thanks
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I don’t think that headroom makes anything sing.

The difference between 50 watts and 100 watts is 3dB. Nothing big.

It all depends on how loud you listen. My guess, you never use more than 5 watts, most people do and don’t realize it.


Seems contrary to what I've seen/read on these forums.

Having headroom available does make a difference, yes? You don't have to turn that knob all the way up to hear the difference. Not true?
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Seems contrary to what I've seen/read on these forums.



Having headroom available does make a difference, yes? You don't have to turn that knob all the way up to hear the difference. Not true?

I don’t think making sine waves with bigger voltage swings should be changing the way the music sounds, besides being louder.

On the contrary, we hear louder volumes as more detail.

So like I said it depends on how loud you actually listen.

But my point is don’t make choices based on wattage because it’s a very small detail that doesn’t have much of an effect on how stuff will sound. Features and components do.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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I don’t think that headroom makes anything sing.

The difference between 50 watts and 100 watts is 3dB. Nothing big.

It all depends on how loud you listen. My guess, you never use more than 5 watts, most people do and don’t realize it.
Watts don't mean much, as you pointed out. It's the power supply that makes a difference. That's why a 40 watt nad 316bee, for example, seems more powerful than a cheap 100 watt receiver.
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Watts don't mean much, as you pointed out. It's the power supply that makes a difference. That's why a 40 watt nad 316bee, for example, seems more powerful than a cheap 100 watt receiver.

ahhh...a better way of explaining....clean power.
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Agreed with the points above.. focus on features, build, price, etc. and don’t dwell on audio specs.

Actually wattage rating (continuous power) doesn’t tell you anything about headroom (transient spikes). You need to look at the capacitors and other build characteristics for that - generally a factor of (cost) price and not wattage ratings.
Also manufacturers are notorious for using very different criteria and measurement techniques to come up with wattage ratings. I would feel much more confident in a 50 watt number than a “100 watts” magic number that everyone wants to hit through whatever means necessary.
And finally, as has been said before, it only translates to 3db at the volume knob, and you probably don’t want to be that close to the limits anyway, as you might clip (headroom) and damage your speakers.



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Watts don't mean much, as you pointed out. It's the power supply that makes a difference. That's why a 40 watt nad 316bee, for example, seems more powerful than a cheap 100 watt receiver.

Yeah I was going to bring it full circle but didn’t feel the need to.

It’s mostly current availability, made possible by the power supply as you mentioned.

I was going to mention this as a form of low impedance handling, generally receivers that can handle low ohm loads have high current capability, doubling every time you half the load.

Many amplifiers cannot double their wattage when the ohm loaf is halfed and it shows the limits of the power supply.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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I just setup my sisters media room with a Marantz NR1509 and it struggles to power the Elac Debut B6.2 bookshelf speakers we paired with it, virtually zero head room as the volume is up to 80% or higher for decent listening volume. Since virtually everything else about the NR1509 is perfect for her setup (ARC and CEC actually work, room correction works great, etc) I'm planning on on getting an Emotiva A-150 for more power.


Something to keep in mind depending on your speaker selection.
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I just setup my sisters media room with a Marantz NR1509 and it struggles to power the Elac Debut B6.2 bookshelf speakers we paired with it, virtually zero head room as the volume is up to 80% or higher for decent listening volume. Since virtually everything else about the NR1509 is perfect for her setup (ARC and CEC actually work, room correction works great, etc) I'm planning on on getting an Emotiva A-150 for more power.


Something to keep in mind depending on your speaker selection.


Thanks for the feedback. That's what I'd imagined. Just got the Polk LSiM703s delivered, and I don't think the 1509 50 wpc will deliver enough juice and headroom to them 703s.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58582522


On a side note, what happened to Emotiva refurb page? I picked up a 5 channel amp years ago refurb directly from them. Don't they sell refurb anymore?

And their classified section is dead? Members are not allow to sell used stuffs on their site anymore?
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Thanks for the feedback. That's what I'd imagined. Just got the Polk LSiM703s delivered, and I don't think the 1509 50 wpc will deliver enough juice and headroom to them 703s.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58582522


On a side note, what happened to Emotiva refurb page? I picked up a 5 channel amp years ago refurb directly from them. Don't they sell refurb anymore?

And their classified section is dead? Members are not allow to sell used stuffs on their site anymore?
The NR1509 should provide plenty of power to them.
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