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Great "first" review of the new Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization.

Great review of the new Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization - under the new Marantz SR6014 AVR equipped with it via the firmware update.

Seems like you lose very little with the "speaker-less" Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization - compared to using Atmos module up-firing speakers.

Pleasantly surprised...

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Great review of the new Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization - under the new Marantz SR6014 AVR equipped with it via the firmware update.

Seems like you lose very little with the "speaker-less" Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization - compared to using Atmos module up-firing speakers.

Pleasantly surprised...

https://hometheaterreview.com/marant...viewed/?page=2
Does it compare it to in ceiling speaker experience or just the upfiring? Always found the upfiring very disappointing.

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Does it compare it to in ceiling speaker experience or just the upfiring? Always found the upfiring very disappointing.

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Yeah... as anyone might suspect - he says if you have in-ceiling Atmos speakers - you probably won't be thrilled with the Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization.

However, very few of the general public have in-ceiling Atmos speakers, a few number more have up-firing Atmos speakers - and that is what the Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization is aimed at - those who don't want to put speakers in-ceiling or who don't have/want up-firing Atmos speakers that require a flat ceiling etc.

This new Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization is quite interesting - even though there is just one review of it that I have found so far.

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Yeah... as anyone might suspect - he says if you have in-ceiling Atmos speakers - you probably won't be thrilled with the Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization.

However, very few of the general public have in-ceiling Atmos speakers, a few number more have up-firing Atmos speakers - and that is what the Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization is aimed at - those who don't want to put speakers in-ceiling or who don't have/want up-firing Atmos speakers that require a flat ceiling etc.

This new Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization is quite interesting - even though there is just one review of it that I have found so far.
Thank you for replying I did take your time to skim over the article I found it somewhat interesting that the reviewer doesn't even really like Dolby Atmos for movies because they say it takes them out of the immersion Factor we're because it's actually so real that's going over your head that actually does what the filmmakers intend you probably would look at things going over your head and movie I guess it's each is own

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According to renowned speaker maker Andrew Jones - he prefers the "up-firing" (or enabled) Dolby Atmos to the in-ceiling speakers.

He claims greater immersion and less discrete sound, etc.

Very interesting, short, YouTube video of him and Digital Trends Caleb Denison discussing it.



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According to renowned speaker maker Andrew Jones - he prefers the "up-firing" (or enabled) Dolby Atmos to the in-ceiling speakers.

He claims greater immersion and less discrete sound, etc.

Very interesting, short, YouTube video of him and Digital Trends Caleb Denison discussing it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBHDtPu9UJk
Even great engineers can be wrong if they are distracted by the right amount of money. LOL

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According to renowned speaker maker Andrew Jones - he prefers the "up-firing" (or enabled) Dolby Atmos to the in-ceiling speakers.

He claims greater immersion and less discrete sound, etc.

Very interesting, short, YouTube video of him and Digital Trends Caleb Denison discussing it.


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Even great engineers can be wrong if they are distracted by the right amount of money. LOL

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Andrew Jones sells upfiring speakers made by Pioneer with his name on them.
Thank you I was aware of that I was trying not to mention it directly because I didn't want to just desecrate a good man's name but yes even Andrew Jones can be corrupted into stating that upfiring speakers work well that they work better than ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos effects which just from an engineering standpoint an acoustical standpoint doesn't really hold much weight.

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Thank you I was aware of that I was trying not to mention it directly because I didn't want to just desecrate a good man's name but yes even Andrew Jones can be corrupted into stating that upfiring speakers work well that they work better than ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos effects which just from an engineering standpoint an acoustical standpoint doesn't really hold much weight.

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If you watch the 7 minute YouTube video linked in post #5 - you would know exactly why he, and others, have come to that conclusion.

Especially the fact that the Atmos speakers in theaters are some 20 feet over your head - which makes for a much more diffused, non-localized sound.

Most consumer homes have 8 feet ceilings, etc.

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If you watch the 7 minute YouTube video linked in post #5 - you would know exactly why he, and others, have come to that conclusion.

Especially the fact that the Atmos speakers in theaters are some 20 feet over your head - and most consumer homes have 8 feet ceilings, etc.
Well I'm aware of why he especially and the other people have come to that conclusion. LOL. Money money money money money

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OK, back to the subject of the post!

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According to renowned speaker maker Andrew Jones - he prefers the "up-firing" (or enabled) Dolby Atmos to the in-ceiling speakers.

He claims greater immersion and less discrete sound, etc.

Very interesting, short, YouTube video of him and Digital Trends Caleb Denison discussing it.


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I recently tried the PSB XA upfires and they literally did 0...ZERO.


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I recently tried the PSB XA upfires and they literally did 0...ZERO.
I have four SVS elevation speakers and provide a great Dolby Atmos experience.

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Well I'm aware of why he especially and the other people have come to that conclusion. LOL. Money money money money money

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If you're being distracted by overhead speakers, then your setup is wrong or your blame should be at the sound engineer. Atmos in most cases is actually subtle and far more immersive. Something as simple as an echo in a cave, or a flood light turning on...both can have added ambiance using the overheads.

I haven't tried virtualization yet, but it sounds ludicrous that that would give you more immersion.

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If you're being distracted by overhead speakers, then your setup is wrong or your blame should be at the sound engineer. Atmos in most cases is actually subtle and far more immersive. Something as simple as an echo in a cave, or a flood light turning on...both can have added ambiance using the overheads.

I haven't tried virtualization yet, but it sounds ludicrous that that would give you more immersion.
Yes I agree most of the atmos is more immersive and subtle but the overhead helicopters in Mission Impossible Fallout are not subtle LOL

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And this - just after I cut two holes in the ceiling for two top middle speakers.......

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Yes I agree most of the atmos is more immersive and subtle but the overhead helicopters in Mission Impossible Fallout are not subtle LOL

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Ha. Yea...love that scene. That's not distracting either, that's as immersive as it gets.

I bet you Andrew Jones watches movies with center channel in mono only...I mean, a L and R stereo sound might be too distracting. Forget about surrounds and back surrounds too while we're at it.


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Ha. Yea...love that scene. That's not distracting either, that's as immersive as it gets.

I bet you Andrew Jones watches movies with center channel in mono only...I mean, a L and R stereo sound might be too distracting. Forget about surrounds and back surrounds too while we're at it.

Agreed. Atmos is one of the best upgrades I made in my theater.

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And this - just after I cut two holes in the ceiling for two top middle speakers.......
Don't confuse subtle with it not being amazing an immersive I'll say we're just trying to say if the atmos sound effects take you out of the movie then you're just easily distracted there are plenty of Atmos moments that are not subtle but super dynamic. There is a scene in sicario 2 day of the soldado with helicopters where it feels like they are flying from the back of your theater to the front and out it is amazing plenty of other Atmos moments like that

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And this - just after I cut two holes in the ceiling for two top middle speakers.......
You have the Denon 8500. I would install all 6 Atmos speakers. I have the 6500 and run 4. I love it.

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