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Is it worth getting amps.

I know this has been asked and discussed but I haven’t thought about getting amps till recently. You just upgraded to the AVR-3600H. I thought about going separates and really do an upgrade by going the Emotiva route but it’s just too much money for me at least. So with that being said so you think it’s worth going a 9 channel amp and using the pre outs on the 3600? Just curious if the difference is really noticeable.
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depending on what speakers you have, amps may be needed or not. usually speakers that drop down to 3 Ohm's or so need amps.

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If you like to turn up your system quite loud and if you have less efficient speakers, then yes, it’s definitely worth it to add an amp. Another nice thing about adding an amp is it takes some of the load off your AVR and allows it to run a bit cooler. For me, I had to add an amp to be able to do 7.1.4, but I really feel like my Polk LSiMs come to life with the extra power.
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If you like to turn up your system quite loud and if you have less efficient speakers, then yes, it’s definitely worth it to add an amp. Another nice thing about adding an amp is it takes some of the load off your AVR and allows it to run a bit cooler. For me, I had to add an amp to be able to do 7.1.4, but I really feel like my Polk LSiMs come to life with the extra power.


What amp are you using?
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What amp are you using?
An Outlaw Model 5000 (5 channels x 120 watts @ 8 ohms). I use three channels to power the LCRs and two channels for my BOSS platforms.
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Is it worth getting a 7 channel amp to power all
speakers or just a 5 channel for just the LCR and surrounds. Not sure if the extra power is worth it for the ceiling speakers.
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Is it worth getting a 7 channel amp to power all
speakers or just a 5 channel for just the LCR and surrounds. Not sure if the extra power is worth it for the ceiling speakers.
For ceilings speakers, I would say an amp is overkill. The AVR should be able to power them without any issues.
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Should I return the 3600 and maybe buy a Marantz with XLR outputs instead of RCA?
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Should I return the 3600 and maybe buy a Marantz with XLR outputs instead of RCA?
ummmm, why? And no way you going to get a Marantz with XLR for a 3600 price...
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ummmm, why? And no way you going to get a Marantz with XLR for a 3600 price...


I know I won’t get that price but if I am going to get an amp then should I go all the way and buy a pre amp with XLRs?
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I know I won’t get that price but if I am going to get an amp then should I go all the way and buy a pre amp with XLRs?
You should be fine with RCA but it’s up to you.
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You should be fine with RCA but it’s up to you.


So keep the 3600 and buy an amp?
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Things for you to consider

1. Do you have a subwoofer or are your mains handling the bass
2. How efficient are your speakers
3. How far do you sit from your speakers
4. How loud do you listen
5. Are you enjoying your current system, are your ears happy, do you feel something is lacking

Keep the following in mind - doubling Amp power gives you an additional 3dB

https://geoffthegreygeek.com/amplifier-power/

Last thought play your system at -10dB from reference. Now move it louder to -7dB. Is something lacking
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I know I won’t get that price but if I am going to get an amp then should I go all the way and buy a pre amp with XLRs?
once again....WHY? Why the fixation on XLR? Are your cable runs from the receiver/prepro going to be insanely long? Then there is the issue where you will also have to get an amp with xlr. Your budget has just gone through the roof for someone who started out with a $899 3600..
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Unless your receiver is distorting/clipping, you won't get any audio benefit from an external amp. I use an external amp because I needed an external amp for the last 2 channels. I use a 5 channel amp because I got a good deal from a nearby seller on audiogon. If you do get an amp, most likely you'll only need a 3 channel to power the LCR since that's where the majority of power goes. Let the receiver power the rest. But it won't hurt to get a 5 or 7 channel.
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So keep the 3600 and buy an amp?

Yes, that is what I would recommend.
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Here are some reasons to consider a separate amp.
- Every AVR upgrade means you are re-buying amps. A decent separate amp can last a long time and potentially can save some money depending on what you buy in the future. Not a guarantee on saving money, however.
- An AVR might have... let's call them ambitious specs on power output that don't reflect power for all channels driven. It may or may not be a problem. In practice, it's pretty unusual to drive all channels at a high volume at the same time.
- A separate amp might be able to better handle hard-to-drive speakers if selected carefully. Or maybe not.

Balanced cables are good for long runs while reducing susceptibility to EMI generated noise. It doesn't hurt anything to use balanced cables if your gear offers that choice but it may not buy you anything, either.


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Is it worth getting amps.

I went with 2 channel amp to power my 2 Revel fronts. The AVR is 9 channel Yamaha A2050. Music in 2.1 mode sounds great, but not sure much better than the Yammy. Biggest benefit when we watch movies in 5.1.4 mode the Yammy stays cooler now; not driving the hungry F206s up front.

I use XLR Cables with my P5 preamp but cant tell difference vs RCA cables cause it’s a very short run. So don’t make that a determining factor unless a long run

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yea save your money and get a two channel amp to power all 11 speakers. Turning off the amps in AV will give 4volts to the LR speakers. If you want to power more speakers externally they would go to about 1.4 volts which is when the internal amps max out and would clip. But honestly unless your speakers dip lower than 4 ohms or are not sensitive and you need the extrea 3 to 6 db. Logically that amp should throw about 86watts x5 so if your running all 9 i bet it goes down to 45-50 watts each. On the doubling scale I believe its 32 watts to 64 watts is you working range. To get 3 db more youll need 128, 6 db more total 256 watts. Thats a lot of cash for 6 db extra which is like half a doubling of sound to your ears. You'll notice it but it wont be mind blowing. If anything youll get some extra head room with the added power. You could also bring your speaker crossovers on the AV higher. Bass frequency require the most amount of power to reproduce and removing more of it from your speakers and letting the sub handle it will bring the overall power output up to more useful HZ. Cutting it at like 100hz should be plenty.

All that said I have done multiple tests comparing my av power to a power amp running 300 clean watts and they sound the same. Only when driven at full volume did I notice the slightest difference in distortion. At that volume it would not be realistic for listening in my setup. Using the AV to run all speakers should be addiquiet for normal listening volumes. I still use 5 channels to power my speakers in addition to my av power because I need the 2 channel external amp and I already own the amps. If I was to do it again I would have only got external amps that I needed. For a good two channel go for a Pro amp and save some cash. I use Crown DSI amps they are great and have DSP if needed. I would stay away from using Inukes as speaker amps they are better for subs. The noise floor on them is rather high. Or a crown /qsc 4 channel amp and do LCR. Save you on space and have a extra channel for a DIY sub if you wanted.

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I wonder whether "boltonic" has been spending too much time on hobbyist sites (like this one).

The speaker setup is very nice, and currently could be replaced for roughly $1600. The AVR-X3600H is a bargain, with features similar to the older AVR-X4x00H series rather than the AVR-X3x00H models.

Adding $4-5k in electronics probably wouldn't add much in performance.

I recommend trying the 3600 on its own. If it doesn't clip at the loudest listening levels, then don't bother with amps. Maybe you'd want more power if you listen at levels that would damage your hearing over time.

XLR is a differential cable format that gives improved EMI (electromagnetic interference) rejection over RCA cables over long cable runs. (The connectors also lock, so they can't be pulled out as easily as RCAs.) XLR has wandered into home audio from pro audio. (Pro audio isn't the same as audiophile gear; IMHO, in pro audio there is more concern with avoiding easily audible problems rather than chasing that last 0.01 dB.) If the connection between the processor and the amp is short (say, 2m, 6.6 feet), I doubt that XLR offers any meaningful advantage. Recall that really high-end audio has used RCA cabling for decades.
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I recommend trying the 3600 on its own. If it doesn't clip at the loudest listening levels, then don't bother with amps. Maybe you'd want more power if you listen at levels that would damage your hearing over time.
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Alright so I am going with the Emotiva BasX-5175. You guys think I should power the LCR and surround with it or just the LCR and bi amp the left and right speakers?
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If your receiver is still returnable, then consider the Marantz 6013 receiver. It’s available at a pretty good price right now, and has a slightly warmer sound than Denon, so will sound slightly better than the 3600h for music.

Don’t bother with XLR, unless you “know” you need it. If you really want an external amp, maybe get a good 2 channel amp for the fronts (if music is a priority) or maybe a 3 channel amp for the front 3 (for movies). Beyond that - additional amp channels will not make much of a difference unless you are dealing with extremes (very loud, or very inefficient speakers)
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Alright so I am going with the Emotiva BasX-5175. You guys think I should power the LCR and surround with it or just the LCR and bi amp the left and right speakers?
From the X3600H manual, regarding bi-amping: "This connection enables back EMF (power returned without being output) from the woofer to flow into the tweeter without affecting the sound quality, producing a higher sound quality."

That is the first time I have seen that claim for bi-amping. Considering that the amplifier channels are completely independent (beyond sharing a power supply), it's incomprehensible to me. It sounds like quasi-technical BS.

As there are no settings in the 3600 to set a crossover for bi-amping, I infer that both amps see the same signal. There may be a slight increase in effective power to the speakers, but I doubt that it's appreciable. (1dB, 25.9% more, would barely be appreciable.)

My preference? Forget bi-amping. Power LCR and the surrounds.
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If your receiver is still returnable, then consider the Marantz 6013 receiver. It’s available at a pretty good price right now, and has a slightly warmer sound than Denon, so will sound slightly better than the 3600h for music.

Don’t bother with XLR, unless you “know” you need it. If you really want an external amp, maybe get a good 2 channel amp for the fronts (if music is a priority) or maybe a 3 channel amp for the front 3 (for movies). Beyond that - additional amp channels will not make much of a difference unless you are dealing with extremes (very loud, or very inefficient speakers)
SR6013 has the famous "porthole" display. That'd be enough of a minus for me that I'd prefer the AVR-X3600H.

If one uses Audyssey XT32 full range, is an SR6013 appreciably "warmer" than an AVR-X3600H?
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SR6013 has the famous "porthole" display. That'd be enough of a minus for me that I'd prefer the AVR-X3600H.

If one uses Audyssey XT32 full range, is an SR6013 appreciably "warmer" than an AVR-X3600H?

Given exactly identical AVR's, hardware and software, except one AVR is labeled Denon on the front and one says Marantz, the Marantz will be "warmer,." That's been true during all my years on this forum. Frankly I've just gotten accustomed to that "fact" and avoided the issue.
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From the X3600H manual, regarding bi-amping: "This connection enables back EMF (power returned without being output) from the woofer to flow into the tweeter without affecting the sound quality, producing a higher sound quality."

That is the first time I have seen that claim for bi-amping. Considering that the amplifier channels are completely independent (beyond sharing a power supply), it's incomprehensible to me. It sounds like quasi-technical BS.


As there are no settings in the 3600 to set a crossover for bi-amping, I infer that both amps see the same signal. There may be a slight increase in effective power to the speakers, but I doubt that it's appreciable. (1dB, 25.9% more, would barely be appreciable.)

My preference? Forget bi-amping. Power LCR and the surrounds.

Here is some help concerning Denon's statement on bi-amping and some overall insight into bi-amping:

This is what Denon means:

The woofer distorts, especially at higher output levels. The woofer generates back EMF, a voltage, due to its voice coil passing through its magnetic field. (Maxwell's equations stuff.) Some of this voltage contains distortion from the woofer that is low enough in frequency to pass back through the woofer crossover and yet high enough in frequency to pass through the tweeter's crossover. Effectively some of the distortion from the woofer is driving the tweeter. Passive bi-amping eliminates this transfer of distortion to the tweeter.

This effect is more pronounced in loudspeakers with low-order crossovers, that is, 1st or 2nd order crossovers. Unfortunately such crossovers are common since they are inexpensive to implement.

Bi-amping is about sound quality. Many here seem to be interested in maximum output. Bi-amping won't help increase raw output significantly. It will help in reducing distortion that is caused by high current levels. There are many portions of a class AB amplifier where the level of distortion increases with increases in current output. Taken together it is very possible that the decreases in distortion with bi-amping will be noticeable.

As with anything in audio, the overall system, especially the loudspeakers, the room, the choice of listening material and the listener will make a significant difference.
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SR6013 has the famous "porthole" display. That'd be enough of a minus for me that I'd prefer the AVR-X3600H.



If one uses Audyssey XT32 full range, is an SR6013 appreciably "warmer" than an AVR-X3600H?


Both AVR’s have a flat, neutral frequency response in the audible spectrum. It’s easy to imagine subjective audiophile sound characteristics. If they measure flat, they won’t alter or color the sound, but rather simply amplify the signal. If someone can’t show objective proof with measurements, it’s just unsubstantiated opinion.

Also, you shouldn’t be eq’ing full range. Limit eq to below Schroeder using the app.

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