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post #1 of 18 Old 11-19-2019, 01:40 AM - Thread Starter
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Most reliable receivers for 2019

I am looking to upgrade an old basic Yamaha receiver (no HDMI or BT on my present unit). Have owned all the brands (Marantz, Denon, Sony, Onkyo, Yamaha, Sansui, Pioneer, Technics,etc) over the last 45+ years but seems the quality of all the brands has went down hill in a hand basket.

I will be happy with a basic receiver that can pass HDMI with the receiver off.

Best one I ever owned was a Marantz 4400 with gold plated circuits and an oscilloscope.

However, lighter and smaller is fine these days as I do not want a two man lift to put it on the self.

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Budget and what speakers are you running. Room size?


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200-600

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4 full range small Mirage speakers and a full range mid size center (Pioneer twin midrange with tweeter) with powered Sub woofer/giant amp not needed.

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All my speakers are up front as I am not pulling wires through 2 feet of insulation in my new house attic (12 foot ceilings). Builder refused to allow electrician to put in speaker wires.

Anyway I am ok with a simple set up as I did have a 7.2 system hard wired before I moved and really don't miss that much. Mostly music and kids will do game machines and movies on the 65" Samsung 9000/950??..
Not worth the pain at my age. You young folks can drill holes in top plates and fish 12 and 10 AWG wires through walls but not me.

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So you should probably run a 3.1 or 3.1.2 setup then. Having the surround speakers up front is not good, better to just say there is none or possibly use the extra speakers as front height (3.1.2) setup.

I dont think full range exist in small form, most very big speakers are still not really full range.
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So you should probably run a 3.1 or 3.1.2 setup then. Having the surround speakers up front is not good, better to just say there is none or possibly use the extra speakers as front height (3.1.2) setup.

I dont think full range exist in small form, most very big speakers are still not really full range.
3.1 sounds right. I cut the low end off around 200 on the smalls. Left the center full range and set the woofer to 500 and below. Maybe!!!! Yamaha does not have the same abilities as the old 896.

And yes it sounds very strange for a movie. I usually wind up using 6 channel stereo mode in a pinch.

Not a proper layout for movies to say the least but some things in life get shoved to the side for more important items.

What has caused all the hand wrenching is I ripped all my 1200 CD library to lossless audio onto a 256 USB drive. But in order to view titles I need to have a laptop steaming Bluetooth or use the TV screen for my menu on my XBOX X.

Could put a small laptop with HDMI audio out????? hooked to my receiver? Not sure what kind of sound a laptop passes over HDMI for a receiver. Still need an upgraded receiver to do this I think or headphone jack on my laptop to RCA in.

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3.1 sounds right. I cut the low end off around 500 or 250 on the smalls as far as I can remember. Left the center full range and set the woofer to 500 and below. Maybe!!!!



And yes it sounds very strange for a movie. I usually wind up using stereo mode in a pinch.



Not a proper layout for movies to say the least but some things in life get shoved to the side for more important items.


A 3.1 setup will work well for tv and movies, i often dont bother turning on my surround channels amp so.
The crossover numbers seem very off so hope you dont remember right on those, but new AVRs have very good auto setups which take care of that anyway.

Would be useful to know what speakers you have but a good deal on last years models would probably be great, or a black friday deal. Denon, Yamaha, Marantz and onkyo are the most popular ones on these forums nowdays. They should all be good but impossible to say which is the most reliable, it depends on each model and is unknown really for the newer ones yet. They dont make them like they used to though, not made to last as long as before because everything changes so quickly that they make them cheaper so they can and need to be replaced more often.


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Everything can go over HDMI, from stereo to lossless multichannel.


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And new AVRs like denon/marantz with HEOS can play songs off a stick connected to the AVR ithink with the remote controlling or controlled with a HEOS app on your smartphone. Yamaha has something similar also. Onkyo i dont know but probably.


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Yamaha has been the reliability leader for some time. Whether that continues in the future is subject to debate, but past experience often portends the future.
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Yamaha has been the reliability leader for some time. Whether that continues in the future is subject to debate, but past experience often portends the future.
Seems like the consensus. Although, make sure you get a model with pre-outs as some of the Yamaha models are a little less powerful than their Denon or Onkyo counterparts, that way you can add an external power amp for the front channels, if you need it.
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Not sure why there's so much criticism of Onkyo receivers- they are very powerful, have great features and the 3 I have owned over the last 10 years or so have been bullet proof. I still have a TX NR 626 and a TX RZ 810 and they both sound great.

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And new AVRs like denon/marantz with HEOS can play songs off a stick connected to the AVR ithink with the remote controlling or controlled with a HEOS app on your smartphone. Yamaha has something similar also. Onkyo i dont know but probably.


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Time for a lot of research!

Some constraints are my rip was WMA lossless. Most newer units will play WMA but not sure about lossless. When I ripped the CD collection I only had plans of using it on a Windows/XBOX device and ripped a parallel version on high bit rate MP3 for all the Toyotas which need MP3. I can hear the difference in the house on the quality of the sound but have no way of checking that in the car so far.

If it becomes an insurmountable issue I could take several weeks and re-rip the whole collection after New years.

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Time for a lot of research!



Some constraints are my rip was WMA lossless. Most newer units will play WMA but not sure about lossless. When I ripped the CD collection I only had plans of using it on a Windows/XBOX device and ripped a parallel version on high bit rate MP3 for all the Toyotas which need MP3. I can hear the difference in the house on the quality of the sound but have no way of checking that in the car so far.



If it becomes an insurmountable issue I could take several weeks and re-rip the whole collection after New years.


Ithink there are rip programs which can batch convert the wma into flac or wav


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Batch convertors make this a piece of cake.
Look at the entry level Yamaha's (RXV485 / RXV685 etc) with MusicCast on-board... that way if you want to add rears you can just buy 2 x WX021's from Yamaha and join them over WiFi using the MusicCast app. All you'll need is power at the back of the room and Bob is your fathers son!
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Seems like the consensus. Although, make sure you get a model with pre-outs as some of the Yamaha models are a little less powerful than their Denon or Onkyo counterparts, that way you can add an external power amp for the front channels, if you need it.
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Not sure why there's so much criticism of Onkyo receivers- they are very powerful, have great features and the 3 I have owned over the last 10 years or so have been bullet proof. I still have a TX NR 626 and a TX RZ 810 and they both sound great.

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My old Yamaha has a non user friendly menu system but has worked well for my needs in a spare bedroom 5.1 system TV (before we moved). Onkyo was always my favorite and had 3 over the years / MIJ ones were perfect. Have had at least two Denon's and the sound was incredible. Seems I remember the higher end Sony had a very nice menu system.

Problem with a new MIJ unit it will require a large outlay of funds and a two man lift with a questionable value added with a small foot print layout. So leaning towards a Yamaha for quality but like all the bells and whistles on the Sony/Denon/Onkyo. Seems the one star reviews are extremely brutal on many brands for quality out of the box.

Hooking all the wires up even for a simple system is not an easy task and to do it for a DOA unit is pretty nasty.

Anyway thanks for all the past, present and future inputs as I shop the BF deals in the next 10 days. Looking a BB, Amazon, AAFES, NEX, B&H and other NY dealers for deals.

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Batch convertors make this a piece of cake.
Look at the entry level Yamaha's (RXV485 / RXV685 etc) with MusicCast on-board... that way if you want to add rears you can just buy 2 x WX021's from Yamaha and join them over WiFi using the MusicCast app. All you'll need is power at the back of the room and Bob is your fathers son!
Yep, I had narrowed it down to Yamaha but still thinking about all the flash and glitter in the other brands. Sort of like looking at a new Cadillac with full dead cow interior and a bullet proof MIJ Prius with plastic interior.
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https://www.lifewire.com/heos-4155588

HEOS has me rethinking Denon.
Just installed a very high end mesh system as part of a test for BB and now have 5 bars everywhere in the house. The idea of feeding an audio signal from my computer to the receiver (If that works) is very appealing and solves several problems.

Need to dig deep and find out what are the limitations from a computer.

Also BB has a BF deal on an unadvertised model number.

Wonder is there is any difference worthwhile between the 2500H and 2600H?

Also I am playing my WMA lossless stick over BT with my laptop. Bought a cheap BT receiver from BB and it seems to work OK. Just no way of knowing what truncation is going on.
Noticed a cast to device option in my windows menu when I select "open with". Will try that next but wifi would have a better connection for sure.

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OK, thanks for all the help from everyone and it was a tough decision. Narrowed it down to Onkyo, Denon, and Yamaha. Denon had the over all power and features that edged out Onkyo very slightly at best. HEOS and some other items sealed the deal. Really wanted a Yamaha but discounting is very rare for these units and Denon has a 3 year warranty and less one star reviews over Onkyo. Wanted a 3500 but thought it was overkill for my small needs.

I got permission from my wife to get last years Denon 2500 since they are on clearance. Not sure if I can post a price but these are discounted everwhere including the 1500 and 3500.

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