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Receiver Denon or Marantz?

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I need advice on buying receiver for my first home cinema project. I have Dali zensor7 front speakers with 12"subwoofer also Dali zensor surround and center speakers. I will be using 5.1 or 5.2 surround (maybe 7,2 in future). I was thinking about these receivers: Denon AVR X1600H, X2600H, X3600H and X4500H. I'm not so familiar with watts and Ohms... So not sure what to buy. Very often I listen to stereo music with my NADc368 amplifier. Also now is a deal on Marantz SR6013. So what to choose in order to get nice surround sound and stereo? Talking about price Marantz is in the middle (discount at this time) between X2600H and X3600H.
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i need advice on buying receiver for my first home cinema project. I have dali zensor7 front speakers with 12"subwoofer also dali zensor surround and center speakers. I will be using 5.1 or 5.2 surround (maybe 7,2 in future). I was thinking about these receivers: Denon avr x1600h, x2600h, x3600h and x4500h. I'm not so familiar with watts and ohms... So not sure what to buy. Very often i listen to stereo music with my nadc368 amplifier. Also now is a deal on marantz sr6013. So what to choose in order to get nice surround sound and stereo? Talking about price marantz is in the middle (discount at this time) between x2600h and x3600h.
x3600h ftw
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Your Dali's look like they like a lot of juice (being 6ohm speakers) so bigger the better. I would go with either the 6013 or the 3600 and continue using the NAD to power the 7's through the L/R pre-outs. The 6013 and 3600 are basically the same (sister avr's) with the 3600 being a newer model but the 6013 being more "musical" (some will call BS on that claim). If the 6013 is significantly cheaper, I'd go that route...but I like the porthole design of the marantz.

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Hello,


I need advice on buying receiver for my first home cinema project. I have Dali zensor7 front speakers with 12"subwoofer also Dali zensor surround and center speakers. I will be using 5.1 or 5.2 surround (maybe 7,2 in future). I was thinking about these receivers: Denon AVR X1600H, X2600H, X3600H and X4500H. I'm not so familiar with watts and Ohms... So not sure what to buy. Very often I listen to stereo music with my NADc368 amplifier. Also now is a deal on Marantz SR6013. So what to choose in order to get nice surround sound and stereo? Talking about price Marantz is in the middle (discount at this time) between X2600H and X3600H.
The X3600H, X4500H, and SR6013 all feature the most advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for better audio and dialog quality, and if in your budget should be your top choices.

Review post 1 of each of the 2018 (X4500H) and 2019 (X3600H) Denon AVR Owner's threads to determine if there are any features provided on the 2019 models that you might want, and if yes, then the X3600H would be your best choice. Also review post 1 of the 2018 (SR6013) Marantz AVR Owner's thread as well. Each of these three models also feature main zone pre-outs (not available on the X1600H or the X2600H) so you can continue to use NAD C368 amp if you prefer.
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I would go with the 6013 - being better for music, and cheaper.
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Hello,


I need advice on buying receiver for my first home cinema project. I have Dali zensor7 front speakers with 12"subwoofer also Dali zensor surround and center speakers. I will be using 5.1 or 5.2 surround (maybe 7,2 in future). I was thinking about these receivers: Denon AVR X1600H, X2600H, X3600H and X4500H. I'm not so familiar with watts and Ohms... So not sure what to buy. Very often I listen to stereo music with my NADc368 amplifier. Also now is a deal on Marantz SR6013. So what to choose in order to get nice surround sound and stereo? Talking about price Marantz is in the middle (discount at this time) between X2600H and X3600H.
The SR6013 features audyssey XT32, dual sub eq, pre-outs (necessary to keep using your NAD), Loads of features, room for future expansion and can be had for a reasonable price if you shop around. Denon X3500H also has pre-outs and audyssey XT32, but can't be expanded beyond 5.2.2/7.2. The X3500H is currently on clearance at most places. Marantz is said to have the edge musically while Denon fo HT. Both will perform quite well in a mixed use application.

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The only thing I dislike about the SR6013 is the famous Marantz "porthole" display.

I don't know whether the HDAM is 100% an advantage or 100% a marketing feature, or somewhere in between.
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@olisko best one for just a little more https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...thread-42.html



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I have a denon avr 788. I want to run an ADC sound shaper 110 IC through the Denon. Anyone know if that's possible, and if so how? Than you
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Sound shaper equalizer.
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[QUOTE=Bob Koep;58862896]Sound shaper 10 band equalizer.
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@Bob Koep Probably best to start your own thread

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@olisko best one for just a little more https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...thread-42.html



good luck!
Hei. Which model do you mean? Denon 4500? As everyday I'm reading more information, so I think maybe I'm leaning towards Marantz 6013 or 7013, because I listen to stereo music very often. But not sure If I need 7013? Maybe its enough 6013 for me?

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i have a 3600 it works fine. I went with it for the hdcp 2.3 the arantz will sound warmer and better IMO. i would say the 3600 is fine but i kinda want to swap it for the 6014 or a yamaha 3080. I use external amps to power 5 channels.

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Hei. Which model do you mean?[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] Denon 4500? As everyday I'm reading more information, so I think maybe I'm leaning towards Marantz 6013 or 7013, because I listen to stereo music very often. But not sure If I need 7013? Maybe its enough 6013 for me?[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Any of those will serve you well. Just compare the features each AVR offers and pick the cheapest one that has everything you need/want.

I personally have the 7013 and I love it. I was gonna get the 4500 but the marantz went on sale first (I got it for about $900). Don't believe the hype about marantz's magical HDAMs making it so much more musical than the 4500. You're not gonna notice the difference. The salesman will probably tell you there is a difference but if you challenge him to a blind A/B test, I bet he fails miserably.

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I am having a hard time deciding between the 3500H and the 6013 as well. I don't really need the extra channels of the 6013 but a little extra power in my big room would be nice. Not sure if any of the other features have much value. Anything else the 6013 has or even the 4500H that would make someone chose it over the 3500H for a couple hundred less if they don't need the channels?
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Any of those will serve you well. Just compare the features each AVR offers and pick the cheapest one that has everything you need/want.

I personally have the 7013 and I love it. I was gonna get the 4500 but the marantz went on sale first (I got it for about $900). Don't believe the hype about marantz's magical HDAMs making it so much more musical than the 4500. You're not gonna notice the difference. The salesman will probably tell you there is a difference but if you challenge him to a blind A/B test, I bet he fails miserably.
Thank you. I will wait for black Friday and see what can I get. Also If I'm going to use 2 subwoofers? Is it important bass sync feature? I see that Marantz 6013 doesn't has this feature... so 7013 would be better for my setup? Or I will not hear the difference?
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@ABuilder the x3500h/x3600 and 6013 are cousins built on a similar platform, iirc. The 6013/x3600 have 9 channels, can expand to 11, the 6013 has hdam circuits and 7 channel analog inputs. The next step up in power and a few more features, that you might never use are the x4400/x4500 and the cousin sr7013.



ALL have xt32 with dual sub control and full preouts for more amplification. Choose the one with the features that you need.
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Thank you. I will wait for black Friday and see what can I get. Also If I'm going to use 2 subwoofers? Is it important bass sync feature? I see that Marantz 6013 doesn't has this feature... so 7013 would be better for my setup? Or I will not hear the difference?[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
I believe all of these (from 3500 to 7013) have actual dual sub outs and can calibrate each sub separately so any of them would work well with 2 subs. As for bass sync, I personally wouldn't pay more for it.

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I am having a hard time deciding between the 3500H and the 6013 as well. I don't really need the extra channels of the 6013 but a little extra power in my big room would be nice. Not sure if any of the other features have much value. Anything else the 6013 has or even the 4500H that would make someone chose it over the 3500H for a couple hundred less if they don't need the channels?
The power difference between these models will be moot. If movies/TV make up most of your listening go with the X3500H or the newer X3600H. If you do a lot of stereo music listening, the HDAM pre-amp modules in the Marantz SR6013 will provide a more detailed listening experience.
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I am having a hard time deciding between the 3500H and the 6013...a little extra power in my big room would be nice.
One is 135W and the other 150. That's less than a decibel difference, a rounding error. And neither is even rated at 4 ohms. If you really want power, get a less expensive receiver, power the rears from that, and get a serious 4-ohm rated amp for the fronts. Yes, 4 ohm, even if your speakers aren't, because speakers aren't resistors so the 4 ohm spec while limited is the best indication we've got of how robust an amp is.
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One is 135W and the other 150. That's less than a decibel difference, a rounding error. And neither is even rated at 4 ohms. If you really want power, get a less expensive receiver, power the rears from that, and get a serious 4-ohm rated amp for the fronts. Yes, 4 ohm, even if your speakers aren't, because speakers aren't resistors so the 4 ohm spec while limited is the best indication we've got of how robust an amp is.
Actually, both are stable to 4 ohms. And both are fabulous receivers. If the differences on paper don't matter to you, get the cheaper one and put it to work. If you feel you still need more volume, you have the NAD to help lighten the load or you can add a larger amp down the road. Honestly though, you won't likely need one.

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Receiver Denon or Marantz?

I recently bought the 3500-h and 3600-h, put the 3500 in the family room and the 3600 in the TV room. Seem great so far. I probably could have done two 3500s since I’m only running 5.1 at the moment. Although I’d like to go 5.4.2 in the TV room some day.

Coming from 10 year old Onkyo receivers the sound is good but nothing mind blowing. The tech is amazing. The HEOS streaming is awesome to me. I have an unlimited Amazon Music account and it works perfectly.
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The Zensor 7 speakers cannot be set up for bi-amp and so each tower with its speakers will get power from only a single amp channel output. The per channel output for mid range receivers is from 95 watts to 110 watts. Any of the mulit-channel receivers in the $700 to $1500 price range will need help and would benefit with the addition of a powered subwoofer to the mix.



With a powered subwoofer the Zensor 7 speaker woofer can be used in tandem (double the bass) or set to receive at 100 Mhz with the receiver crossover and have the subwoofer handle 100 Mhz and lower frequencies.



Check the warranty provided as with Denon it is 2 years and with Marantz and Yamaha it is 3 years. Hard to have confidence in a product when the manufacturer is reluctant to provide the same warranty coverage as their competitors.
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The Zensor 7 speakers cannot be set up for bi-amp and so each tower with its speakers will get power from only a single amp channel output. The per channel output for mid range receivers is from 95 watts to 110 watts. Any of the mulit-channel receivers in the $700 to $1500 price range will need help and would benefit with the addition of a powered subwoofer to the mix.



With a powered subwoofer the Zensor 7 speaker woofer can be used in tandem (double the bass) or set to receive at 100 Mhz with the receiver crossover and have the subwoofer handle 100 Mhz and lower frequencies.



Check the warranty provided as with Denon it is 2 years and with Marantz and Yamaha it is 3 years. Hard to have confidence in a product when the manufacturer is reluctant to provide the same warranty coverage as their competitors.
Only when purchasing a Canadian unit as USA "X" series models come with a 3 year warranty.
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