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Emotiva A-5175 vs XPA-5 Gen3

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I've decided to upgrade my front stage from SVS Prime Center/Bookhelfs to Ultra Center/Bookshelfs. I'm running a 7.1.4 system with Denon X4400H and a separate Emotiva A-500 amp, that handles the main 5 channels. Now, I do want to upgrade the amp with the speakers and I kind of like everything about Emotiva's amps, so my research has brought me to two options - A-5175 and XPA-5 Gen3.

Is XPA-5 going to be significantly better for my setup than A-5175? It's more than a $1K more expensive, so I'm hesitant. I'm also pretty much set on a 5-channel amp for future proofing reasons, so not interested in 3 channel ones.

I've also heard of some overheating issues with A-5175. Have the been resolved in newer batches or do they still persist?

Which amp of the two would you recommend and why?

P.S.: There's a list of my full setup in signature, if that's important

My system: 7.1.4
Screen: LG OLED77C9 AVR: Denon X4400H, External amp: Emotiva XPA-5 Gen3, Center: SVS Prime Center, Fronts: SVS Prime Bookshelfs, Surrounds: SVS Prime Satellites, Surround backs: DefTech ProMonitor 800, Sub: SVS SB-3000, Heights: 4xCambridge Audio Minx 22, 4K Blu-Ray Player: Sony X700, Media player: Nvidia Shield

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I would do the gen3. More power, plus xlr inputs should you need them

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Did you really notice a significant improvement going from the internal Denon amps vs the A-500 you're using now?

I think you'll appreciate the upgrade just by getting the speakers alone, and not really the added amplification, so I recommend you keep your setup as is for now.



I believe the next most noticeable improvement comes in the form of using a pre-pro, so perhaps your budget can go to a Marantz 7705 on sale, and a A-700 to power your remaining speakers. I concentrated a lot on external amplification, but quickly realized the biggest improvements came in this particular order of significance: room treatment/placement, speaker upgrade that matched my preferences, and room correction.

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Agreed with the post above.. keep the amp you have - spend the 1K on better speakers, room treatment or better room correction. Room treatment and correction is especially useful if you have a smaller room, square/rectangular room or your speakers are near corners/walls
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I would do the gen3. More power, plus xlr inputs should you need them
Is that power worth more than $1K for my setup though?

My system: 7.1.4
Screen: LG OLED77C9 AVR: Denon X4400H, External amp: Emotiva XPA-5 Gen3, Center: SVS Prime Center, Fronts: SVS Prime Bookshelfs, Surrounds: SVS Prime Satellites, Surround backs: DefTech ProMonitor 800, Sub: SVS SB-3000, Heights: 4xCambridge Audio Minx 22, 4K Blu-Ray Player: Sony X700, Media player: Nvidia Shield
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Did you really notice a significant improvement going from the internal Denon amps vs the A-500 you're using now?

I think you'll appreciate the upgrade just by getting the speakers alone, and not really the added amplification, so I recommend you keep your setup as is for now.



I believe the next most noticeable improvement comes in the form of using a pre-pro, so perhaps your budget can go to a Marantz 7705 on sale, and a A-700 to power your remaining speakers. I concentrated a lot on external amplification, but quickly realized the biggest improvements came in this particular order of significance: room treatment/placement, speaker upgrade that matched my preferences, and room correction.
I actually did notice a significant improvement going from internal amplification to Emotiva's external A-500.

As for pre-pro it is definitely on the list, but the price range of this route is a bit stiff for me right now. This type of AV equipment almost never goes on sale where I'm located and when I'm doing this upgrade 13 channels of processing will be the minimum

My system: 7.1.4
Screen: LG OLED77C9 AVR: Denon X4400H, External amp: Emotiva XPA-5 Gen3, Center: SVS Prime Center, Fronts: SVS Prime Bookshelfs, Surrounds: SVS Prime Satellites, Surround backs: DefTech ProMonitor 800, Sub: SVS SB-3000, Heights: 4xCambridge Audio Minx 22, 4K Blu-Ray Player: Sony X700, Media player: Nvidia Shield
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Given the speakers you have I think the 40 wpc power difference between the 5175 and 500 is going to be negligible unless you're really pushing the volume. If you were upgrading from receiver power to the 5175 I would recommend it....having just done it myself with very noticeable and greatly improved results.

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Mains Totem Acoustic Hawk Surrounds & Center Totem Acoustic Rainmaker Subs SVS PC-13 & PB13 Ultra AV Processor Denon AVR-X4100W Amps Emotiva A-5175 (2) Video Oppo BDP-103D... Sony 4K UBPX800M2... Roku Ultra... LG 65" C9 Power Panamax 5400-PM
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I'd also echo other sentiments in this thread about the benefits of putting that money towards upgrades in other areas.

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Mains Totem Acoustic Hawk Surrounds & Center Totem Acoustic Rainmaker Subs SVS PC-13 & PB13 Ultra AV Processor Denon AVR-X4100W Amps Emotiva A-5175 (2) Video Oppo BDP-103D... Sony 4K UBPX800M2... Roku Ultra... LG 65" C9 Power Panamax 5400-PM
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FYI your x4400h pushes 118w x5 channels driven @ 8ohms 1% THD


I would use the A500 for the 4 atmos speakers and grab a 3 channel amp to power your front soundstage, leave the remaining channels for the 4400 to handle
Or maybe just add a basic A300 to power your F/L it has been measured @160w x2 @ 8 ohms.

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C, Q50a / Fluance Signature Series/ DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-IIReceiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300 Next Speakers: Triangle BR03, Revel Concerta2 M16, KEF LS50, Dynaudio Emit M20, Buchardt S400, Triangle Comet ez, KEF R3
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FYI your x4400h pushes 118w x5 channels driven @ 8ohms 1% THD


I would use the A500 for the 4 atmos speakers and grab a 3 channel amp to power your front soundstage, leave the remaining channels for the 4400 to handle
Or maybe just add a basic A300 to power your F/L it has been measured @160w x2 @ 8 ohms.
Where did those measurements come from?
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Where did those measurements come from?
Here you go: https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench

x4200w numbers but i believe they use the same power supply.

Two Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads
  • 124.3 watts 0.1% THD
  • 149.2 watts 1.0% THD
Two Channels Continuously Driven, 4-Ohm Loads
  • 215.9 watts 0.1% THD
  • 239.7 watts 1.0% THD

Five Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads
  • 94.6 watts 0.1% THD
  • 118.0 watts 1.0% THD

Seven Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads
  • 76.8 watts 0.1% THD
  • 91.9 watts 1.0% THD


The Emotiva A-500 also punches above it's rated power:

Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
  • 0.1% distortion at 112.9 watts
  • 1% distortion at 125.0 watts

Two channels driven continuously into 4-ohm loads:
  • 0.1% distortion at 174.8 watts
  • 1% distortion at 202.2 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
  • 0.1% distortion at 78.8 watts
  • 1% distortion at 93.5 watts
source; https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C, Q50a / Fluance Signature Series/ DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-IIReceiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300 Next Speakers: Triangle BR03, Revel Concerta2 M16, KEF LS50, Dynaudio Emit M20, Buchardt S400, Triangle Comet ez, KEF R3

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Here you go: https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench

x4200w numbers but i believe they use the same power supply.



The A500 also punches above it's rated power:

Emotiva A-500 Amplifier
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 112.9 watts
1% distortion at 125.0 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 78.8 watts
1% distortion at 93.5 watts

source; https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench
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By an absolute chance I have stumbled upon a used XPA-5 Gen3 at my new friends' house and he said that it's just sitting there gathering dust from summer of 2019 after he switched to a Parasound amp. He'd been using the XPA from August of 2018 to June 2019, so for around 10 months. I'm interested in getting this one off his hands and need to make an offer.

What do you guys think would be a fair price for a unit like this one?

My system: 7.1.4
Screen: LG OLED77C9 AVR: Denon X4400H, External amp: Emotiva XPA-5 Gen3, Center: SVS Prime Center, Fronts: SVS Prime Bookshelfs, Surrounds: SVS Prime Satellites, Surround backs: DefTech ProMonitor 800, Sub: SVS SB-3000, Heights: 4xCambridge Audio Minx 22, 4K Blu-Ray Player: Sony X700, Media player: Nvidia Shield

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By an absolute chance I have stumbled upon a used XPA-5 Gen3 at my new friends' house and he said that it's just sitting there gathering dust from summer of 2019 after he switched to a Parasound amp. He'd been using the XPA from August of 2018 to June 2019, so for around 10 months. I'm interested in getting this one off his hands and need to make an offer.

What do you guys think would be a fair price for a unit like this one?
$1000-$1200 seems about right, i wouldn't offer anything lower since it's so new.

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C, Q50a / Fluance Signature Series/ DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-IIReceiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300 Next Speakers: Triangle BR03, Revel Concerta2 M16, KEF LS50, Dynaudio Emit M20, Buchardt S400, Triangle Comet ez, KEF R3
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