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JBL SDP-55 Pre-Pro and SDR-35 AVR at CES 2020

Although this hardware debuted at CEDIA 2019, my first opportunity to demo the latest processor and AVR from JBL Synthesis coincided with CES 2020. JBL put on a complete home theater demo using JBL Synthesis in-wall and in-ceiling speakers along with the SDP-55 Pre-Pro handling the processing. As I've come to expect, the end result was a top-tier audio experience.

While the demo used the SDP-55, to me the more interesting device is the SDR-35 AVR. This is not your typical AV receiver, it is an IMAX Enhanced AVR featuring Class G amplification for seven of its sixteen channels. Class G is a design that provides pure Class A power most of the time, except during dynamic peaks that require more juice. The "2 channels driven" spec for this AVR is : 20Hz - 20kHz, <0.02% THD, 120W (8 ohms) / 200W ( 4 ohms). This unit, and the SDP-55, implement Dirac Live room correction.

In this instance, I gave the entire demo a "Cest of CES 2020" nod, with a focus on the SDP-55 Pre-Pro and SDR-35 AVR that deserve a lot of credit for making the demo sound like a proper Synthesis system without the five-figure price tag usually associated with that sort of sound.


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Specs & Support

SDR-35

Best in class audio and video signal integrity and processing, as well as uncompromised Class G amplification, ensure exceptional transparency even with the most demanding program material. An audiophile-grade 24Bit / 192kHz ESS Sabre Pro DAC, combined with Dirac Live room equalization and the exceptional dynamics and low distortion of Class G amplification ensure pristine sound for music and movies. The Harman proprietary Logic 16 up mixer allows content to envelop the listener with a rich and natural three dimensional sound, no matter the source format.

Your Content Your Way

Many high-end AVR’s exclude real world everyday conveniences for the end-user. The SDR35 provides a variety of ways to experience content whether using an elaborate network media server over Ethernet or Wi-Fi or simply streaming directly from your tablet or phone via Bluetooth with aptX™ HD. You can source content from a smart TV with high-resolution audio via eARC, utilize Chromecast® built-in and Apple® AirPlay 2™. Use the Harman Luxury MusicLife™ app to play your own music library from a computer or NAS drive, or play directly from a USB flash drive. There’s even a DAB/FM antenna for OTA radio!

Superior Video

Advanced circuitry and decades of know-how ensure the 4K "Ultra HD" video signal is perfectly clear and rock solid. The video stages are designed to harness the latest technology and deliver the best quality formats including Dolby Vision™, HLG, HDR10, HDR10+, HDMI2.0b with HDCP2.2, and 3D video capabilities built-in.

IMAX Enhanced

The JBL Synthesis SDR-35 is an IMAX Enhanced-certified AV receiver and features DTS:X immersive audio decoding that is optimized to properly reproduce the full dynamic range of IMAX theatrical sound mixes available in IMAX Enhanced content. With meticulous adjustments modeled on the IMAX theatrical sound system, this proprietary IMAX audio mix is translated for home theater environments and exclusively delivered using a special variant of the DTS:X CODEC technology to deliver the IMAX signature sound experience in the home.

A More Dramatic TV Experience

Dolby Vision™ is superior HDR. Using the same underlying technology as the most advanced movie theatres, Dolby Vision enables an enhanced image through superior content and smarter TV display performance.

Audiophile Quality

The JBL Synthesis SDR-35 leverages the 24bit /192 kHz ESS® Sabre 9028 Pro featuring 114dB dynamic range and -100 THD+N in and out, for A/D and D/A conversion. The analog circuitry on the input and output stages is optimized for unequaled dynamic range, ultra-low distortion, and unmatched audio clarity. Carefully designed anti - jitter circuitry and ultra-clean power supplies are incorporated to ensure all audio paths, including HDMI, are uncompromised.

Class G Amplification - The Best of Both Worlds

Class G offers greater efficiency and transparency, with less wasted heat energy than class A. Like a hybrid car engine, Class G implements multiple power supplies. The first power supply runs in pure Class A, which has no crossover distortion. If a dynamic signal is received that goes beyond the capability of this first power supply, the secondary supply is gradually incorporated up to full rated power output as required. This efficient design means additional power is only used when required. Modern high-speed silicon allows this switch to take place well beyond the audio bandwidth. Multiple output devices within the amplifier ensure your listening experience is powerful, dynamic and crystal clear.

Flexibility

With 15.1 decoding, 9.1.6 preamp outputs, plus seven channels of amplification, independent Zone 2 combined with RS232, Ethernet and app control, the SDR-35 offers exceptional versatility. Four of the sixteen channels allow independent volume and delay settings for added configuration options. Independent volume control for the subwoofers allow fine-tuning, and front panel headphone and aux (3.5mm) jacks add convenience. The JBL Synthesis Control app enables complete control of the SDR-35 with an Android or iOS device. Flexible configuration, including Dante, IP, IR, and RS232 control and a Zone 2 with high-resolution audio, 4K video, IR, triggers, and power option, make the SDR-35 an outstanding choice for a broad range of applications.

Dante

The JBL Synthesis SDR-35 includes Dante, an uncompressed, multi-channel digital media networking technology, with near-zero latency and synchronization. All 16 channels of 24 bit / 192k processed audio, plus Zone 2 (18 channels total) can be routed to any Dante enabled receiving device over a standard network. Dante does away with heavy, expensive analog or multicore cabling, replacing it with low-cost, easily-available CAT5e, CAT6 for a simple, lightweight, and economical solution. Dante is easy to set up and compatible with JBL Synthesis Dante enabled amplifiers as well as a wide selection of third-party Dante-enabled audio products. Dante integrates media and control for your entire system over a single, standard IP network. The applications are endless.

Logic16

JBL has a rich history in professional digital audio processing, with products found in the vast majority of world-class recording studios. This pedigree is evident in the proprietary Logic16 up mixer, which produces astonishing natural three-dimensional sound. Designed by HARMAN® research scientists and engineers, Logic16 provides a listening experience that will make you feel like you are in the concert hall or on the set. This subtlety is achieved without the sense of psycho-acoustic processing or effects. Logic 16 will up-mix any input source from mono up to 15.1, including all Dolby formats.

Luxurious Industrial Design

The modern industrial design exudes luxury. The half-inch thick anodized aluminum fascia with bead blasted accents and solid glass display makes a distinguished statement. A sturdy 2” aluminum knob performs volume control and data entry with a smooth and steady feel while the geometric button array keeps the lines clean and functionality simple. Front panel menu options are served up on full-color OLED display.

Designed for the Integrator

The JBL Synthesis SDR-35 is designed for a broad range of CI applications. With an available rack mount kit, Dante, eArc and in internal Java-based configuration page, and range of control options, the install, set up, calibration and user experience is better than ever.

SDR-35 Highlights

Immersive High Resolution Sound: 16 Channels of discrete high resolution processing with 4 user configurable channels enable a plethora of set up options for Dolby Atmos, DTS:X3D, Auro 3D Immersive Surround Sound Applications.

Dante Network Audio: All 16 channels of processed audio, plus Zone 2 can be routed on a single CAT5e, CAT6 cable over a standard network. Dante is easy to set up and compatible with Dante enabled JBL Synthesis amplifiers.

IMAX Enhanced: IMAX Enhanced-certified AV receiver and features DTS:X immersive audio decoding that is optimized to properly reproduce the full dynamic range of IMAX theatrical sound mixes available in IMAX Enhanced content.

Network and Bluetooth Streaming: Control your favorite content over Ethernet or Wi-Fi, via Chromecast built-in, Apple AirPlay 2, Roon, the Harman Luxury MusicLife app, play directly from a USB flash drive, or stream via Bluetooth with aptX HD.

Class G Amplification: Like a hybrid car engine, Class G implements multiple power supplies. The first power supply runs in pure Class A, which has no crossover distortion. If a dynamic signal is received that goes beyond the threshold of this first power supply, the secondary supply is gradually incorporated as required.

Cinematic Video Experience: Dolby Vision, HDR10+, HDMI2.0a with HDCP2.2, 4K "Ultra HD" as well as 3D video capabilities are built-in.

Designed for the Integrator: With an available rack mount kit, Dante, eARC and in internal Java-based configuration page, Dirac Live, IP, IR RS232 and iOS and Android App control the install, set up, and calibration has never been easier.

Logic 16: Logic 16 will up-mix any input source from mono up to 15.1, including all Dolby formats with natural astonishing 3D sound. In addition Dolby, DTS Neural:X, and Auro 3D upmixers are on board.

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Interesting so Logic 16 will upmix Dolby Atmos?

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"...the proprietary Logic16 up mixer, which produces astonishing natural three-dimensional sound."[/I]

Did they demo Logic16, and did it do as claimed?



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Interesting so Logic 16 will upmix Dolby Atmos?

Good question; seems highly unlikely that Dolby would allow that.

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Did they demo Logic16, and did it do as claimed?
Good question; seems highly unlikely that Dolby would allow that.

If you put your receiver on all stereo won't it decode an Atmos soundtrack to all stereo? I can decode an Atmos disc with Logic 7 on the Lexicon MC-10 It works wonders with music, but I have never listened to a movie on it but it will decode it that much is certain.
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If you put your receiver on all stereo won't it decode an Atmos soundtrack to all stereo? I can decode an Atmos disc with Logic 7 on the Lexicon MC-10 It works wonders with music, but I have never listened to a movie on it but it will decode it that much is certain.

Opting not to decode a native soundtrack is not the same as post-processing one.


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I can decode an Atmos disc with Logic 7 on the Lexicon MC-10 It works wonders with music, but I have never listened to a movie on it but it will decode it that much is certain.

But is L7 being applied to the Atmos track (if so I'd expect your display to say Atmos), or to the 5.1/7.1 track on the disc?

If the former, I find that very surprising, though also encouraging.

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It isn't decoding Atmos it is decoding via Logic 7. What it is good at is pinning dialog to the center, but its not going to put objects where Atmos intended them in to those specific speakers. It might do really well or it could make a mess of things. It does really well with music. It displays Logic not Atmos when selected.
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Oh OK.

Strictly speaking it's upmixing, not decoding, because the material not encoded L7.

That said, it (L7, as well as DSU and DTS Meural X) may well give a more satisfying result, as many mixers underutilize Atmos' capabilities.

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Oh OK.

Strictly speaking it's upmixing, not decoding, because the material not encoded L7.

That said, it (L7, as well as DSU and DTS Meural X) may well give a more satisfying result, as many mixers underutilize Atmos' capabilities.
That is how I see it but I am far from an expert on these topics.
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Interesting so Logic 16 will upmix Dolby Atmos?
From the way they're wording that, they sure seem to be implying it will. If all it could do was upmix from the TrueHD container, the proper wording would be "Logic 16 will up-mix any input source from mono up to 7.1 ".



Boy, if it could actually "fix" a "fixed" Disney 7.1.4 Atmos print for those with more speakers, for example, that would give these units a huge leg up on all the other 16 channel processors. DTS:X Pro could be obsolete before it's even released.... Hopefully somebody will ask them that question soon.
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Any word on when they will be available?
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Any word on when they will be available?
Last week my dealer said he was hearing March..but I am guessing that could still change depending how the firmware is coming along. Not feeling real confident based on how the Arcam (sister product based on same platform) release is going with their glitchy firmware. Guessing that is why JBL decided to come in after Arcam to make sure they have time to iron out the firmware as much as possible.
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I was also very interested in this but there appears to be some significant issues with their firmware. I am hoping that it will be resolved in the upcoming months. See the Arcam thread for details. The Monoprice HTP-1 seems to be an excellent alternative and is working fairly well.
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Class G is a design that provides pure Class A power most of the time.

Oh? I'd expect it to be a push-pull design that is more like Class AB most of the time.
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....to me the more interesting device is the SDR-35 AVR. This is not your typical AV receiver, it is an IMAX Enhanced AVR featuring Class G amplification for seven of its sixteen channels. Class G is a design that provides pure Class A power most of the time, except during dynamic peaks that require more juice.
Class G is the least interesting part of these new products, and your description of it above seems to draw too much on JBL's misleading hype.


A better way to understand Class G, and how uninteresting it is, is to take a Class AB amp. One can also use your words to describe a Class AB amp as "a design that provides pure Class A power most of the time, except during dynamic peaks that require more juice." The only difference between AB and G, is that G has the extra complication of a two-level power supply for the Class A phase of operation, and hence runs cooler in the low power times -- which is not when we really would like to see extra efficiency. After all, it is the high power efficiency of an amp that determines how big and expensive the amp needs to be. So, a Class G amp is a Class AB amp with more efficiency when it doesn't really matter, and same efficiency when it really matters. And for this dubious benefit the amp is more complex and expensive to make.


Now, the better efficiency in the Class A phase is obtained by lower voltage rails, so a Class G amp will allow more power in Class A before switching to Class B, compared to Class AB for the same heat, but designers could get more Class A from a Class AB amp just by running it hotter.


I say, so what? If anyone thinks they can hear their Class AB amps sounding "Class A wonderful" at low volumes and then suddenly sounding worse when the volume is turned up ever so slightly, I would gently suggest they are deluding themselves, unless they have found a quite inferior specimen of Class AB amplification.


IIRC Class G was used in some Sanyo AVRs around 20 years ago, and widely used in pro amps -- can't remember which brands.


This is definitely a marketing decision by JBL. They know Synthesis buyers have more dollars and they want to see something special for their money, and "more Class A" is a drawcard for those buyers. JBL would also know perfectly well that their prior art in Class AB amps has no audible deficit, and could have been used in these amps with exactly the same sonic effect, same heatsink and power ratings, and less complexity (more reliability) and cheaper.


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Class G is the least interesting part of these new products, and your description of it above seems to draw too much on JBL's misleading hype.

A better way to understand Class G, and how uninteresting it is, is to take a Class AB amp. One can also use your words to describe a Class AB amp as "a design that provides pure Class A power most of the time, except during dynamic peaks that require more juice." The only difference between AB and G, is that G has the extra complication of a two-level power supply for the Class A phase of operation, and hence runs cooler in the low power times -- which is not when we really would like to see extra efficiency. After all, it is the high power efficiency of an amp that determines how big and expensive the amp needs to be. So, a Class G amp is a Class AB amp with more efficiency when it doesn't really matter, and same efficiency when it really matters. And for this dubious benefit the amp is more complex and expensive to make.

Now, the better efficiency in the Class A phase is obtained by lower voltage rails, so a Class G amp will allow more power in Class A before switching to Class B, compared to Class AB for the same heat, but designers could get more Class A from a Class AB amp just by running it hotter.

I say, so what? If anyone thinks they can hear their Class AB amps sounding "Class A wonderful" at low volumes and then suddenly sounding worse when the volume is turned up ever so slightly, I would gently suggest they are deluding themselves, unless they have found a quite inferior specimen of Class AB amplification.

IIRC Class G was used in some Sanyo AVRs around 20 years ago, and widely used in pro amps -- can't remember which brands.

This is definitely a marketing decision by JBL. They know Synthesis buyers have more dollars and they want to see something special for their money, and "more Class A" is a drawcard for those buyers. JBL would also know perfectly well that their prior art in Class AB amps has no audible deficit, and could have been used in these amps with exactly the same sonic effect, same heatsink and power ratings, and less complexity (more reliability) and cheaper.

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I believe you are correct, JBL knows its target market and is marketing to it. A huge surprise? I would think not.

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So not a word from JBL about Logic16?

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So not a word from JBL about Logic16?
I get it, the big question is if Logic 16 is upmixing Dolby Atmos to use all the channels. I'm sending the question off for (hopefully) an answer right now.
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I get it, the big question is if Logic 16 is upmixing Dolby Atmos to use all the channels. I'm sending the question off for (hopefully) an answer right now.

Actually no, it would be shocking if it didn't given the name.

The big question is how it compares sonically with DSU and Neural X.

I can understand the holdup with Dirac and their BM, but you'd think they'd have their own ducks in demo-worthy order by now.

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Actually no, it would be shocking if it didn't given the name.
It would be shocking if it did actually. Based on the signal flow of the APM-117 DSP, I don't think they could post-process Atmos even if JBL wanted to (unless they have added an additional DSP which I doubt). All to process a very small handful tracks?

Or, are you wanting to decode just the 7.1 track and upmix that via Logic7. That seems counter-intuitive to me but you can do it by decoding to LPCM at the source device (player).
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I expect L16 will function only as an upmixer, not to process native immersive soundtracks; even if the hardware could do it, I can't imagine Dolby would allow it.

That's what's important to me, as the majority of material is 5.1/7.1


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It would be shocking if it did actually. Based on the signal flow of the APM-117 DSP, I don't think they could post-process Atmos even if JBL wanted to (unless they have added an additional DSP which I doubt). All to process a very small handful tracks?

Or, are you wanting to decode just the 7.1 track and upmix that via Logic7. That seems counter-intuitive to me but you can do it by decoding to LPCM at the source device (player).

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I expect L16 will function only as an upmixer, not to process native immersive soundtracks.
Then why is @imagic asking if Logic16 will upmix Atmos?
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I have been passively following the SDP 55 and thought the big advantage of Logic 16 is that it could upmix everything to all your speakers. I also thought that Dolby didn't restrict smaller boutique upmixing. This all foggy but honestly its the only reason I am considering the JBL over Monoprice.
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I have been passively following the SDP 55 and thought the big advantage of Logic 16 is that it could upmix everything to all your speakers. I also thought that Dolby didn't restrict smaller boutique upmixing. This all foggy but honestly its the only reason I am considering the JBL over Monoprice.
I await the answer. I hope so.
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Then why is @imagic asking if Logic16 will upmix Atmos?

Beats me, but not on my account (at least not intentionally).

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I await the answer. I hope so.

Please ask about HDMI 2.1 plans details as seen here:



From a Sound & Vision article the HDMI board will be up-gradable to HDMI 2.1-
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ve-controllers

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Further, the HDMI board is removable and replaceable so it can be easily updated to full HDMI 2.1 capability when the format is finalized, ensuring owners aren’t abandoned by a technology upgrade.

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Please ask about HDMI 2.1 plans details as seen here:

From a Sound & Vision article the HDMI board will be up-gradable to HDMI 2.1-
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ve-controllers

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Further, the HDMI board is removable and replaceable so it can be easily updated to full HDMI 2.1 capability when the format is finalized, ensuring owners aren’t abandoned by a technology upgrade.
I sent a supplemental email containing additional questions. It's the weekend in England, which is where the answers are supposed to come from, so I might be waiting until Monday to know.
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