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Need new AVR, thoughts on these two......?

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As I'm continuing my foray into 4K, I'm looking for a new AV receiver around the $1500 price point. I will just have a Panny 820 UHD player, HTPC and maybe a streaming device at some point to connect to it. Only 5.1 speaker setup, that may go to 7.1 at some point. Using a separate 2-ch amp for my mains. After much research, I seemed to have settled on either a Denon X6500H($1600) or Yamaha RX-A3080($1400). At those prices, any particular pros/cons to sway my decision one way or another? Looks like Audyssey is superior to YPAO, so there's that. Speaking with a store rep, he's pushing me towards the Yamaha, as he claims Denon's quality has suffered over the years.
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If currently at 5.1 and then looking at 7.1 later then why not consider the Denon/ Marantz/ Yamaha that cap out at 7.1 and save yourself like $500 - $1000
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If currently at 5.1 and then looking at 7.1 later then why not consider the Denon/ Marantz/ Yamaha that cap out at 7.1 and save yourself like $500 - $1000
Good question. I guess I just assumed that with the lower priced units, features will not be the same. Not looking to throw away money, but this is an affordable price point for me. Additionally, since I'm not using an external amp for my center and surrounds, I guess I should state I do have a preference for a unit with a strong amplifier section. I do listen to movies and music at high volume levels(using all channel stereo). Paradigm Studio v.2 speakers, if that matters.

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As I'm continuing my foray into 4K, I'm looking for a new AV receiver around the $1500 price point. I will just have a Panny 820 UHD player, HTPC and maybe a streaming device at some point to connect to it. Only 5.1 speaker setup, that may go to 7.1 at some point. Using a separate 2-ch amp for my mains. After much research, I seemed to have settled on either a Denon X6500H($1600) or Yamaha RX-A3080($1400). At those prices, any particular pros/cons to sway my decision one way or another? Looks like Audyssey is superior to YPAO, so there's that. Speaking with a store rep, he's pushing me towards the Yamaha, as he claims Denon's quality has suffered over the years.
Yamaha is known for quality. Having owned many Yamaha and a few D&M the Yamahas seem higher quality builds.

Yamaha is one of the only manufacturer that certifies their HDMI implementation. They have the fewest compatibility issues there.

Audyssey vs YPAO will come down to your speakers, room, and preferences. Audyssey should do better with calibrating your subwoofers and with the customization you can do with the app and manually tweaking the calibration files you should be able to dinner tune to your liking.

I owned the 3080 and the AV7704. I preferred the 3080. But it will come down to preference.
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I'd grab a Denon over Yamaha. Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is better than YPAO and several Yamaha owners here have complained about weak subwoofer output.
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I'd grab a Denon over Yamaha. Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is better than YPAO and several Yamaha owners here have complained about weak subwoofer output.
I've read about this 31hz floor the Yamaha mic/YPAO. Silly question. I have an Onkyo TX-NR3007, which is what I'm replacing, with its Audyssey equipped mic. Would it be possible to use it for the Yamaha's calibration, or are they unit/software implementation specific?
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A Denon AVR-X3500H has a pretty comprehensive feature set, including pre-outs for all of its 7 channels, two semi-independent sub outs, and Audyssey XT32/SubEq.

It's nowhere near your price target, though.

Seems like a bit of a waste to get an 11 channel AVR or an 11/9 (processes 11, 9 onboard amps, expandable to 11 with an external) like the AVR-X6500H or RX-A3080. As for power, the difference between 150W and 105W is 1.55 dB. Speaker sensitivities vary more than that.
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Yeah, maybe I go with a cheaper AVR and find that used 3 or 5 channel amp on Audiogon I've thought about acquiring over the years. Thanks.
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I would look at Marantz as well, 6013 if you can find it (try accessories4less) is a good deal, or the 6014 new.
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Also look at Arcam AV390/550. It comes with Dirac Live, which is supposedly much better than Audyssey. Do not be misled by the low wattage numbers, Arcam is conservative (all channels driven) while other receivers artificially inflate the numbers (single or 2 channels driven)

The new Arcam’s might take a month or two to stabilize the bugs
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I'd grab a Denon over Yamaha. Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is better than YPAO and several Yamaha owners here have complained about weak subwoofer output.
I've read about this 31hz floor the Yamaha mic/YPAO. Silly question. I have an Onkyo TX-NR3007, which is what I'm replacing, with its Audyssey equipped mic. Would it be possible to use it for the Yamaha's calibration, or are they unit/software implementation specific?
Not sure, never looked into it. Some Yamaha AVRs have low voltage sub output requiring a Y-splitter to be used to help. That's what I'm referring to.
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Also look at Arcam AV390/550. It comes with Dirac Live, which is supposedly much better than Audyssey. Do not be misled by the low wattage numbers, Arcam is conservative (all channels driven) while other receivers artificially inflate the numbers (single or 2 channels driven)

The new Arcam’s might take a month or two to stabilize the bugs
Arcam has been bug infested for years. Quite tired of them using paying customers for beta testing not quite ready products.

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