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Still contemplating DIY but may instead buy a couple of PSA TV3612s or a couple of Rythmik FV25s and some JBL A190s or a PSA 210 speaker system. Decisions decisions.
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Emotiva XPA-3 = $1200 shipped.
Monolith 3 = $1190 shipped.
Outlaw M2200 x 3 = $800 shipped.

Is it a no-brainer to go with the Outlaw mono-blocks?
ASR just published a review of the Outlaw 2200: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.11403/

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Just went through this process, comparing all three. Emotiva seemed like great folks to deal with, and I liked the modular approach; I liked the Monoprice because it's a solid amp at a great price. However, I went with the monoblocks - great reviews here and elsewhere, and superb deal, arriving Friday.

Now just need to decide on cables. I ordered these from Monoprice: https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2, but many folks on Polk forums recommending the Blue Jeans LC-1: https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/audio/index.htm

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I was just going to use some cheap thickish monoprice rca cables I have to connect my LCR to these Outlaw 2200s. Am I in trouble?
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Proaudiola makes great, reasonably priced cables

https://www.proaudiola.com/
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I was actually being sarcastic about the cables. I personally believe there will be zero differences in sound quality between a cheap cable running 3 feet and one of these expensive cables.
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I was actually being sarcastic about the cables. I personally believe there will be zero differences in sound quality between a cheap cable running 3 feet and one of these expensive cables.
$11 and what I used between my Denon X3500H and Outlaw 2200 monoblocks. KabelDirekt RCA Stereo Cable, Cord (3 feet Short, Dual 2 x RCA Male to 2 x RCA Male Audio Cable, Digital & Analogue, Double-Shielded, Pro Series)
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I was actually being sarcastic about the cables. I personally believe there will be zero differences in sound quality between a cheap cable running 3 feet and one of these expensive cables.
Honestly as long as they are shielded and you dont have a ton of electrical interference, you're right on you be able to use almost anything. Is there a measurable difference from RCA to XLR in a 3 foot run? Probably, but I doubt it would be anything you would notice. I've heard some people get that low hum sound from their speakers when using external amps. Luckily I've never had that issue. I think a lot of that comes from dirty power more then anything
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I actually get a very slight extremely low volume hiss from the speakers driven by the outlaw monoblocks but that's normal from what I have read. Let me know if any Outlaw M2200 owners disagree and do not experience this. I only noticed when I put my ear right next to the speakers in a dead quiet room after reading it.

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I was just going to use some cheap thickish monoprice rca cables I have to connect my LCR to these Outlaw 2200s. Am I in trouble?
I'm using Monoprice RG59/U (cheap coaxial) based RCA cables, 6 feet long, to connect my Denon AVR-X4300H to an Emotiva XPA3 Gen3. No trouble.
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Assuming the cables are reasonably made and well shielded, the differentiating factor between the cables is going to be the capacitance. The monoprice cables have a capacitance of 21 pF, while the bluejeans cables have a capacitance of 12.2 pF/ft. Both good, and reflect the price differential. Most high end cables would be worse than BlueJeans. Only a very small minority of high end/exotic cables would actually be able to beat the BlueJeans number. (Based on comparing products from Tara Labs product line up)

The big difference between RCA (unbalanced) and XLR (balanced) is that the balanced outputs of your preamp typically has twice the output voltage (typically 2V) as the unbalanced (typically 1V). This will give you some additional gain from the amplifier. However the input and output sensitivities of the receiver/preamp and the amplifier need to be well matched.

If the sensitivities are not matched you will end up with either hiss/noise floor issues (input voltage too high for the amp) or low SPL (not utilizing the amps watts because input is too low for the amp)

The upshot is, XLR cables might give an extremely tiny (audible?) improvement in interference, but can sometimes introduce a much larger problem of hiss/noise levels by raising the nominal output sensitivity of the preamp
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