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Yamaha TSR-7810 vs Denon 3500h

In the process of upgrading to a 4k screen. I have an AVR-1910 now that works great, but doesn't support 4K. Speakers are nothing special but will be upgraded in the next year or two.
I can get a TSR-7810 for $330 or the 3500H scratch/dent from Crutchfield for $470

If I keep the 1910 and put all my sources into the TV and then optical back to the 1910, I could get 4K video but lose master audio. If I keep the 1910 as it, I keep master audio but don't get 4K. The 1910 has speaker inputs so I could use a preamp but 4k Emotiva and Outlaw start at 700 and up and don't have the latest features in general, so that doesn't make sense.

I've had Onkyos in the past that worked great, but when I upgraded to HDMI last time around I got a Denon 891 that had HDMI issues. Denon replaced it with the 1910. In all the reading I have done, Yamaha seems to have the benefit of being higher quality, but Denon has the much better Audssey setup.


What am I missing in the comparison of the 3500h vs the 7810? Both look to support 4k and have preouts that could be useful down the road.
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The 7 channel receivers I often see recommended are the 7810, Onkyo rz820 and Denon x3500. You cannot go wrong with either one.



The Yamaha is known for reliability but limited hdcp 2.2 inputs, the rz820 is a beast and the x3500 has the ability to calibrate dual subs with level and delay down to 10hz.


Whichever one has the most feature you will use, for the least amount.


p.s. the newer Yamaha tsr7850 is on sale, has more hdmi inputs but only has LR preouts.
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Good info. I think I'm going to rule out the 7810. I will check out the 7850 but not sure it will be too far up the list due to limited preouts for future use. I hadn't seen the 820 so that is a good one, I will likely decide between 820 and 3500 unless I see something on the 7850 that grabs me. Right now, I am leaning towards the 3500.
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Looks like I can get a marantz sr5013 for around the same price. Is that worth considering or do I lose something major by going back too many generations?
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Looks like I can get a marantz sr5013 for around the same price. Is that worth considering or do I lose something major by going back too many generations?
The Denon X3500H has a higher version of audyssey (XT32), dual sub eq, pre-outs and all inputs support HDCP 2.2 and 4K. You can also get the remote app ($20) that lets you customize eq settings even further. All will have similar features like Spotify, multi-room audio, Alexa compatibility and so on.

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The Denon X3500H has a higher version of audyssey (XT32), dual sub eq, pre-outs and all inputs support HDCP 2.2 and 4K. You can also get the remote app ($20) that lets you customize eq settings even further. All will have similar features like Spotify, multi-room audio, Alexa compatibility and so on.
XT32 would be a benefit - the question is does it outweigh the benefit of stepping up to a Marantz. I've heard the sound can be a little different with Marantz vs. Denon?

I do not see myself ever going to dual sub, so not worried about that part.
5013 has preouts as well, so that is equal, and all inputs support HDCP2.2 and 4k just like the X3500h. They look fairly equal, unless I am missing something. Both are within $20 of each other.
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Marantz vs Denon:
https://www.zkelectronics.com/compar...vr-x3500h/usa/


Onkyo Vs Denon:
https://www.zkelectronics.com/compar...vr-x3500h/usa/


I'd personally pick Denon and be done with it
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The three HDMI out on the Denon plus the Audyssey XT32 would put it over the top for me vs the 7810 which is a little older and only has 3 HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 inputs while the Denon has 8.

Denon can also play a separate HDMI source in Zone 2 which is a feature I use on my x3300.

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XT32 would be a benefit - the question is does it outweigh the benefit of stepping up to a Marantz. I've heard the sound can be a little different with Marantz vs. Denon?

I do not see myself ever going to dual sub, so not worried about that part.
5013 has preouts as well, so that is equal, and all inputs support HDCP2.2 and 4k just like the X3500h. They look fairly equal, unless I am missing something. Both are within $20 of each other.
Marantz is said to have a warmer sound than Denon, but the Denon X3500H has better room eq.

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Marantz vs Denon:
https://www.zkelectronics.com/compar...vr-x3500h/usa/

Onkyo Vs Denon:
https://www.zkelectronics.com/compar...vr-x3500h/usa/

I'd personally pick Denon and be done with it
I did see this page. Neither had something that stood out as a MUST/DONT. I've ruled out the Yamaha, and agree the Denon is what I need. Just making sure I'm not an idiot for passing up a Marantz for the same price.

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The three HDMI out on the Denon plus the Audyssey XT32 would put it over the top for me vs the 7810 which is a little older and only has 3 HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 inputs while the Denon has 8.

Denon can also play a separate HDMI source in Zone 2 which is a feature I use on my x3300.
2 HDMI out is the most I'd ever need, just need 1 today. I know the XT32 is superior. I've ruled out the 7810. For the separate HDMI source for zone 2 - no need for that today, but it may be fun to play with in the future.

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Marantz is said to have a warmer sound than Denon, but the Denon X3500H has better room eq.
I have heard Marantz can be warmer, but either should be an upgrade from my 1910 that I have today. I know the room EQ is better.
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