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Good enough receiver or should I trade-in and up?

Hey all - the home theatre equipment I list in my signature below, is what I currently have purchased, but still boxed up waiting to get set up after some home remodeling work. I've come to realization via reading up here and watching videos, that I probably went a little light on my AVR. Sounds at a minimum, that Audyssey MultEQ XT32 available in models such as the avr-x4500h is much better than the Audyssey MultEQ XT that comes with x2600h I currently have.

This receiver will power just the equipment listed in one living room that is about 15x16 and is open concept to the adjacent kitchen; so...three walls and 9 foot ceilings. Two of the in-ceiling speakers we will be just behind the main sitting position(s), the other two just in front of the main sitting position(s), and then flanking the TV will be the towers and subs most likely...towers for sure, subs TBD.

Again, I think I spent wisely and in budget where I could, spent some more on higher-end subs....I'm just thinking at this point that since it'll be at least another week before I set any of this up, maybe I should invest in a higher-end AVR like the Denon x4500h for the better Audyssey, in case I add a pair bookshelf speakers down the road, the jump from 95 to 125 watts RMS and so on and so forth.

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Yes, Audyssey XT32 is quite a bit better than XT, but you don't have to jump up to the 4500 to get it. Look into the x3500 (2018 model) and x3600 (2019).
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Yes, Audyssey XT32 is quite a bit better than XT, but you don't have to jump up to the 4500 to get it. Look into the x3500 (2018 model) and x3600 (2019).
Thanks for the comment...I should have said I'm looking for something around that price range if everyone thinks I should upgrade. It's not worth the time and shipping for a small step up...at least for me personally. If I'm going to, it'll be to something like the x4500h, the Marantz SR6014, the Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A2080, etc...

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Thanks for the comment...I should have said I'm looking for something around that price range if everyone thinks I should upgrade. It's not worth the time and shipping for a small step up...at least for me personally. If I'm going to, it'll be to something like the x4500h, the Marantz SR6014, the Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A2080, etc...
The difference in features between a 3600 and a 4500 are small, IMHO. Can't speak to any "quality" difference.

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Hey all - the home theatre equipment I list in my signature below, is what I currently have purchased, but still boxed up waiting to get set up after some home remodeling work. I've come to realization via reading up here and watching videos, that I probably went a little light on my AVR. Sounds at a minimum, that Audyssey MultEQ XT32 available in models such as the avr-x4500h is much better than the Audyssey MultEQ XT that comes with x2600h I currently have.

This receiver will power just the equipment listed in one living room that is about 15x16 and is open concept to the adjacent kitchen; so...three walls and 9 foot ceilings. Two of the in-ceiling speakers we will be just behind the main sitting position(s), the other two just in front of the main sitting position(s), and then flanking the TV will be the towers and subs most likely...towers for sure, subs TBD.

Again, I think I spent wisely and in budget where I could, spent some more on higher-end subs....I'm just thinking at this point that since it'll be at least another week before I set any of this up, maybe I should invest in a higher-end AVR like the Denon x4500h for the better Audyssey, in case I add a pair bookshelf speakers down the road, the jump from 95 to 125 watts RMS and so on and so forth.

Advice? Thoughts?
Not just the better Audyssey MultEQ XT32, but also Audyssey Sub EQ HT which enables you to set the level/delay independently for each of your two subs.

However, as already suggested, the X3600H (sister model to the SR6014) is also a 9CH model and features Audyssey Sub EQ HT as well. The difference in power between it and the X4500H will be moot. Both models offer features not present on the other as the X3600H is 1 year newer. Review post 1 in each of the 2018 (X4500H) and 2019 (X3600H) Denon Owner threads for feature differences.
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Not just the better Audyssey MultEQ XT32, but also Audyssey Sub EQ HT which enables you to set the level/delay independently for each of your two subs.

However, as already suggested, the X3600H (sister model to the SR6014) is also a 9CH model and features Audyssey Sub EQ HT as well. The difference in power between it and the X4500H will be moot. Both models offer features not present on the other as the X3600H is 1 year newer. Review post 1 in each of the 2018 (X4500H) and 2019 (X3600H) Denon Owner threads for feature differences.
Thanks for the input. It just seems crazy to me that the 2600h is sub par because of room correction software. I don't want to spend the extra, and the 2600h reviews seem pretty good. Is there any other reason(s) that the 2600h wouldn't be good enough for what it would be powering?

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I've come to realization via reading up here and watching videos, that I probably went a little light on my AVR. Sounds at a minimum, that Audyssey MultEQ XT32 available in models such as the avr-x4500h is much better than the Audyssey MultEQ XT that comes with x2600h I currently have.

This receiver will power just the equipment listed in one living room that is about 15x16 and is open concept to the adjacent kitchen; so...three walls and 9 foot ceilings. Two of the in-ceiling speakers we will be just behind the main sitting position(s), the other two just in front of the main sitting position(s), and then flanking the TV will be the towers and subs most likely...towers for sure, subs TBD.

Again, I think I spent wisely and in budget where I could, spent some more on higher-end subs....I'm just thinking at this point that since it'll be at least another week before I set any of this up, maybe I should invest in a higher-end AVR like the Denon x4500h for the better Audyssey, in case I add a pair bookshelf speakers down the road, the jump from 95 to 125 watts RMS and so on and so forth.

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Thanks for the input. It just seems crazy to me that the 2600h is sub par because of room correction software. I don't want to spend the extra, and the 2600h reviews seem pretty good. Is there any other reason(s) that the 2600h wouldn't be good enough for what it would be powering?
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Good enough receiver or should I trade-in and up?

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Thanks for the input. It just seems crazy to me that the 2600h is sub par because of room correction software. I don't want to spend the extra, and the 2600h reviews seem pretty good. Is there any other reason(s) that the 2600h wouldn't be good enough for what it would be powering?

it seems as though you want someone to tell you that the 2600 is ok and you should stick with the 2600, because you feel the correction software will be adequate without spending the extra money on a 3600.

so...i believe you should stick with the 2600 because you wont need or use the better room correction.


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Well, You received suggestions to choose an AVR with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 because you believe you "went a little light on my AVR".
Right...the room correction is just one feature on the AVR that I noticed might be light. I'm saying/asking is that the feature alone that makes it so folks would recommend I step-up? ...or is there other features of the 4500/3500 that make the 2600 inadequate?

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Right...the room correction is just one feature on the AVR that I noticed might be light. I'm saying/asking is that the feature alone that makes it so folks would recommend I step-up?
You've already received an answer to that question

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or is there other features of the 4500/3500 that make the 2600 inadequate?
Maybe I missed it, but who said the 2600 was inadequate
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it seems as though you want someone to tell you that the 2600 is ok and you should stick with the 2600, because you feel the correction software will be adequate without spending the extra money on a 3600.

so...i believe you should stick with the 2600 because you wont need or use the better room correction.


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man....tough crowd here today. Guys, this is my first home theatre since 2003. I've read up as much as I can, and before I spend hundreds more on room correction, because that is the only feature anyone has commented thus far as to why my 2600 would be adequate, I wanted to ask if there is any other reason (beside room correction and apparently dual sub delay control) as to why people recommend an upgrade.

I'm not wanting or expecting anyone to tell me the 2600h is fine, I'm trying to get advice on what is inadequate about the 2600h for my set up and what upgrade recommendations folks would make to address it.

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man....tough crowd here today. Guys, this is my first home theatre since 2003. I've read up as much as I can, and before I spend hundreds more on room correction, because that is the only feature anyone has commented thus far as to why my 2600 would be adequate, I wanted to ask if there is any other reason (beside room correction and apparently dual sub delay control) as to why people recommend an upgrade.

I'm not wanting or expecting anyone to tell me the 2600h is fine, I'm trying to get advice on what is inadequate about the 2600h for my set up and what upgrade recommendations folks would make to address it.
I exchanged for the 4500h, I'll figure it out.
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I'm trying to get advice on what is inadequate about the 2600h for my set up and what upgrade recommendations folks would make to address it.
Again, I don't recall anyone, other than yourself, saying the 2600h would be inadequate Furthermore, I would say, Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is worth more than most features. Just my opinion.

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I think you will be happy with the 4500h
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List of differences between Audyssey XT and Audyssey XT32: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post29859402 (From 2014, but I expect that it's still valid.) It says nothing about how significant these differences are in sound quality.

The Denon and Marantz AVRs that include XT32 also bundle SubEq, which does semi-independent equalization of 2 subs. (Adjusts delay and volume, then equalizes the pair as one.) That matters the most if the subs are not at approximately the same distance from the main listening position.

Experienced people here (I'm not one) often caution against overspending on electronics compared to speakers. In your case, considering your speaker investment (especially the subs), getting a better AVR than the 2600 would be justified (IMHO).

Minority report: instead of spending more on an AVR upgrade, buy a mini DSP 2X4 HD plus a Umik calibrated microphone ($280 for the combo). That assumes that you have some sort of PC (typically a laptop) that has an HDMI output. Use with the freeware REW software to equalize the two subs.

Later: Oops, didn't spot that the OP had alraedy jumped to the 4500. (Or, did it take me 20+ minutes to compose a post? Likely enough.) I think that it was a reasonable choice. I have enjoyed my 4300 for nearly 3 years.
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You have 9 speakers listed in your signature including 4 ceiling speakers. There was no way the x2600 could power or support 9 speakers so you had to move up to a higher end model.

good thing you exchanged for the x4500.
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Minority report: instead of spending more on an AVR upgrade, buy a mini DSP 2X4 HD plus a Umik calibrated microphone ($280 for the combo). That assumes that you have some sort of PC (typically a laptop) that has an HDMI output. Use with the freeware REW software to equalize the two subs.
I was thinking the same-thing, but I figured since the OP asked about Audyssey XT32, I didn't want to muddy the water

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You have 9 speakers listed in your signature including 4 ceiling speakers. There was no way the x2600 could power or support 9 speakers so you had to move up to a higher end model.

good thing you exchanged for the x4500.
just curious how you figured that?

4 ceiling
2 towers
1 center
2 subs

= 7.2 system, no?

That's how I understood it until reading this message...it won't matter as I am heading out to mail back the 2600 and will have the 4500 in a couple weeks, but anything I can learn the better. Same with the comments about minidsp 2x4 HD, is that still necessary giving the AVR upgrade I am doing?

EDIT: I did order the UMIK already...so I would just need the minidsp if that's something I should still get even with the AVR upgrade.

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I have had both a 3500 (XT32) and my current 2600 (XT) in my 5.1 living room system, so I can speak from experience. I had custom entertainment furniture built that is simply not deep enough for the 3500..... the contractor screwed up the depth part, but everything else about it is perfect, including the negotiated discount for his error. So I had to 'downgrade' to the 2600 because it is 2" less deep and fits perfect.

As for any difference in sound? Man, it just isn't there. Maybe XT32 was a little less forward with my Atlantic Technology speakers than XT is, but I'm reaching here. Both sound great, and in no way do I feel like I sacrificed sound quality.

Now, my situation is different though, because I only use a single SB-2000 Pro sub, whereas you are dual subs. If both subs are located up front or both in the back, and they are an equal distance away from your MLP, then XT would do a good job treating them as a single sub.

However, if you have one sub up front, and the other behind or beside you and both are different distances from the MLP, then 32's sub EQing would definitely be worth the price paid.

Both the 3500 and 2600 handled HDMI perfect, with no drop outs when changing audio input signal types. So in the end, I guess it comes down to your subs.


EDIT: Looks like I was about an hour late.... enjoy your 4500!
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just curious how you figured that?

4 ceiling
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= 7.2 system, no?

That's how I understood it until reading this message...it won't matter as I am heading out to mail back the 2600 and will have the 4500 in a couple weeks, but anything I can learn the better. Same with the comments about minidsp 2x4 HD, is that still necessary giving the AVR upgrade I am doing?

EDIT: I did order the UMIK already...so I would just need the minidsp if that's something I should still get even with the AVR upgrade.
My bad, when I saw 4 ceiling speakers I immediately thought you had 4 Atmos speakers which the x2600 can't handle. So the plan is to use 2 ceiling speakers for surround and 2 for Atmos? Or do you want 4 Atmos speakers

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My bad, when I saw 4 ceiling speakers I immediately thought you had 4 Atmos speakers which the x2600 can't handle. So the plan is to use 2 ceiling speakers for surround and 2 for Atmos? Or do you want 4 Atmos speakers
ummm not to sound stupid but...maybe?

I just wanted to use the space I had, so I put four in-ceiling....two behind the sitting position and another two just in front of the sitting position. I really just planned to put the one's behind the sitting position into the surround back channels on the avr (4500 when it comes) and the other two as surround left and right. Should I instead put them on one of the height channels?

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I think you'll have to experment and go with whatever you like best.

You need to use the surround channels for a 5 channel setup, not the surround back, even if the speakers are behind the sitting position. Then use the heights for your Atmos speakers.

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I think you'll have to experment and go with whatever you like best.

You need to use the surround channels for a 5 channel setup, not the surround back, even if the speakers are behind the sitting position. Then use the heights for your Atmos speakers.
I think I'm on the same page...this is how I intended to hook everything up on the AVR:

front left: Polk s60
front right: Polk s60
center: Polk s35
surround left: Monitor Audio C165 (in-front of listening position, in-ceiling)
surround right: Monitor Audio C165 (in-front of listening position, in-ceiling)
surround back left: Monitor Audio C165 (behind listening position, in-ceiling)
surround back right: Monitor Audio C165 (behind listening position, in-ceiling)


...but what your saying is I should play with the height1 channels instead of the surround left/right or back left/right?

Now that you've explained this a bit, I think I should have bookshelf speakers behind on the wall behind the sitting position...that would allow me to make those the surround back left/right, and then I could use all four in-ceiling speakers as height speakers, correct? I can't do that at the moment, but if what I said here is correct, I guess I just need to figure which channels are best for the in-ceiling speakers.

EDIT: I didn't include the subs, but they would be connected to the two subwoofer connections

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My bad, when I saw 4 ceiling speakers I immediately thought you had 4 Atmos speakers which the x2600 can't handle. So the plan is to use 2 ceiling speakers for surround and 2 for Atmos? Or do you want 4 Atmos speakers
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ummm not to sound stupid but...maybe?

I just wanted to use the space I had, so I put four in-ceiling....two behind the sitting position and another two just in front of the sitting position. I really just planned to put the one's behind the sitting position into the surround back channels on the avr (4500 when it comes) and the other two as surround left and right. Should I instead put them on one of the height channels?
@Medal , if you refer to your other thread regarding subs, I made this quote:

"As for the MiniDSP, I wouldn't even concern myself with that at this stage of the game. You being new with this stuff will be challenging enough all on it's own. That said, I will strongly recommend that you do your due diligence prior to making your decision. RESEARCH! EDUCATE! Have a better idea of what you're getting before you commit to anything."


It seems you overlooked that, or you just haven't really taken that advice to heart. So again, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE! It will save you a lot of time, money, and frustration in the end.

Also, you are not stupid. You're just new to all of this, and it can become a bit overwhelming trying to get a good understanding of what is required to have a successful HT setup. And FWIW, you haven't even began scratch the surface yet. Lol

That said, the way you are attempting (thinking?) to use the in-ceiling speakers is a horrible idea. You need to have proper seperation/placement of the different channels/speakers in order to achieve the desired surround effect. Ultimately, you're trying to create a bubble of sound, and even moreso with Atmos.

Here is a link to the Dolby Guidelines to help give you a better understanding of how your speakers should be set up to get the best results.
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...guidelines.pdf


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[EDIT] I forgot to add that a 5.2.4 setup is what you'll be looking to do to start off with. Then, if you feel the need to add back/side surrounds later for 7.2.4, all you'll have to do is add an external 2 channel amplifier to power the additional speakers.

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@Medal , if you refer to your other thread regarding subs, I made this quote:

"As for the MiniDSP, I wouldn't even concern myself with that at this stage of the game. You being new with this stuff will be challenging enough all on it's own. That said, I will strongly recommend that you do your due diligence prior to making your decision. RESEARCH! EDUCATE! Have a better idea of what you're getting before you commit to anything."


It seems you overlooked that, or you just haven't really taken that advice to heart. So again, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE! It will save you a lot of time, money, and frustration in the end.

Also, you are not stupid. You're just new to all of this, and it can become a bit overwhelming trying to get a good understanding of what is required to have a successful HT setup. And FWIW, you haven't even began scratch the surface yet. Lol

That said, the way you are attempting (thinking?) to use the in-ceiling speakers is a horrible idea. You need to have proper seperation/placement of the different channels/speakers in order to achieve the desired surround effect. Ultimately, you're trying to create a bubble of sound, and even moreso with Atmos.

Here is a link to the Dolby Guidelines to help give you a better understanding of how your speakers should be set up to get the best results.
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...guidelines.pdf


Hope this helps,

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[EDIT] I forgot to add that a 5.2.4 setup is what you'll be looking to do to start off with. Then, if you feel the need to add back/side surrounds later for 7.2.4, all you'll have to do is add an external 2 channel amplifier to power the additional speakers.
I appreciate the input and I think I confused what I was trying to say. This picture is basically what my space looks like, execpt there will be a second sub in the same spot on the right and I don't currently have the back right/left speakers as show in this pic..otherwise, the way the in-ceiling are shown, along with everything else is what I'm going for. I got confused with minidsp and the proper use of the channels.

I think regardless of if I pick up those back speakers now or wait, I had the right idea, the room correction options along with minidsp made my head explode a bit.
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I appreciate the input and I think I confused what I was trying to say. This picture is basically what my space looks like, execpt there will be a second sub in the same spot on the right and I don't currently have the back right/left speakers as show in this pic..otherwise, the way the in-ceiling are shown, along with everything else is what I'm going for. I got confused with minidsp and the proper use of the channels.

I think regardless of if I pick up those back speakers now or wait, I had the right idea, the room correction options along with minidsp made my head explode a bit.
The pick you posted is of a 5.1.4 Atmos config., so if you just add the rear surrounds to your exsisting equipment, you'll have a 5.2.4 Atmos setup.
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The pick you posted is of a 5.1.4 Atmos config., so if you just add the rear surrounds to your exsisting equipment, you'll have a 5.2.4 Atmos setup.
Yes, and if I don't right away, it looks like I'd need to just get away with a version of the hybrid 5.1.4 (it would sort of be 5.2.4), because instead of the speakers labeled 5 in this pic being up-firing, they would be in-ceiling. Is that correct?

I believe it is, that is where my confusion is right now. I'm not sure if those two speakers (labeled 5 in the picture attached) would go into the height channel or the surround back channels on my AVR?

Again, thanks for the info and help.
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Yes, and if I don't right away, it looks like I'd need to just get away with a version of the hybrid 5.1.4 (it would sort of be 5.2.4), because instead of the speakers labeled 5 in this pic being up-firing, they would be in-ceiling. Is that correct?
No, the speakers labeled 5 in this pic cover both A) the surround speakers and B) Atmos speakers via an additional up-firing module (each speaker is essentially a pair).


ETA: Such as this https://www.jamo.com/speakers/atmos

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No, the speakers labeled 5 in this pic cover both A) the surround speakers and B) Atmos speakers via an additional up-firing module (each speaker is essentially a pair).
Got it- i see that now. So if I need to make do, then I need to essentially choose between either the surround back channels or height channels for atmos for that pair, is that correct?

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If interested, here's an article that compares the room correction systems available in 2017. The various versions of Audyssey are described, and are pretty much the same today. They really like the step up to XT32.
https://hometheaterreview.com/room-c...ion-revisited/

Besides the XT32, stepping up from the X2600H gets you 7.2 (X3500H) or 11.2 (X3600H/X4500H) preouts if you ever decide to go with full external amps. The X2600H would have to be replaced if you decide to do that later.

If you don't mind getting 2 more speakers and mounting them, with the X4500H you get the ability to go 5.2.4 right away with 9 on-board amps, and 7.2.4 with an external amplifier (and a trigger to turn it on) later, instead of being "limited" to 5.2.2 for immersive audio.
Speakers like the Polk OWM5 might be suitable for 5.x surrounds and relatively easily placed/mounted. Then the ceiling speakers could be used for the x.x.4 for Atmos/DTS:X

4K/60Hz upscaling is there as well as opposed to 4K/30Hz on the X2600H, but your TV may or may not do a better job of it. Some brands (Vizio is singled out at times) are criticized for its on-board upscaling. rtings.com may help you decide if that's an issue for you.

The X4500H offers over the X3500H/X3600H
Zone 2 allows for custom settings, and you get an ability for a Zone 3.
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http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX4500H/N...SYvsbphziy.php
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By going with a 2018 model instead of 2019, you give up at least eARC, HDCP 2.3 and bluetooth transmission, if any of those matter to you.
UPDATE/CORRECTION: The 2018 models (X3500H and up, Marantz 6013 and up) do have eARC

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I appreciate the input and I think I confused what I was trying to say. This picture is basically what my space looks like, execpt there will be a second sub in the same spot on the right and I don't currently have the back right/left speakers as show in this pic..otherwise, the way the in-ceiling are shown, along with everything else is what I'm going for. I got confused with minidsp and the proper use of the channels.

I think regardless of if I pick up those back speakers now or wait, I had the right idea, the room correction options along with minidsp made my head explode a bit.
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Got it- i see that now. So if I need to make do, then I need to essentially choose between either the surround back channels or height channels for atmos for that pair, is that correct?
If by "make do" you mean use the 4 ceiling speakers I think it would be best to set the rear in-ceilings as surround (not rear surround) and the forward in-ceiling as Atmos (or "height").

Ideally you would have a pair of bookshelves/in-walls to use as surrounds and the in-ceilings as Atmos.

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