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AudioControl Maestro X7 9.1.6 Immersive AV Preamp Processor

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MSRP $6600.00

I just received this processor Friday 5/22/2020 and installed over Memorial weekend. The processor had the latest firmware update and every function worked out of the box. Some of the features that I like in this processor: 16 balanced outputs (No Audible noise from the speakers on my system) and 4 balanced inputs for two devices. Connect up to five independent subwoofers, one sub channel, two front and rear sub channels. DiracLive 2 with Bass Control. See below for more product specifications.

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AudioControl’s next generation of high-performance preamp/processors enable home theater specialists and A/V integrators to create systems that deliver new levels of precision, power and control. The Maestro X7 supports the most sought after immersive surround formats, such as Dolby Atmos, Auro-3D, DTS:X, and IMAX Enhanced, with 16-channels of balanced and unbalanced outputs including four user-configurable outputs. The Maestro X7 offers a full complement of inputs for connection to the latest audio/video components, including 7 HDMI 2.0b inputs that fully support 4K UHD and HDR playback.

The new Maestro X7 houses the very latest in audio and video processing technology, featuring Dirac Live® room correction to overcome acoustic anomalies in any space, and ESS SABRE PRO DACs that ensure unprecedented levels of detail and clarity along with earth-shaking, authoritative bass response.

Enthusiasts will enjoy intuitive app-based control, Google Cast, AirPlay 2, aptX Bluetooth and Wi-Fi streaming connectivity options as well as integrated web-based configuration.

All of this outstanding technology has been wrapped quite elegantly within a completely new industrial design, distinguishing AudioControl’s home cinema preamp/processor lineup from any other solution.
FEATURES:
9.1.6 decoding for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X
IMAX Enhanced, Auro-3D
4K UHD supporting HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2
ES9026PRO SABRE DACs (124 dB of dynamic range)
Dirac Live® room correction
16 channel XLR outputs
16 channel unbalanced outputs
Pairs perfectly with Savoy G4, Pantages G4, Avalon G4
Dolby VisionTM playback support
HDR support (HDR10/BT.2020)
4 user-assignable output channels
7 HDMI inputs / 3 HDMI outputs (eARC)
IP, IR, RS232, and Wifi control
AirPlay 2 and Google Chromecast streaming support

AUDIOHOLICS CEDIA 2019

So far no issues with install, connections or functions. I will update if I run into any issues with this processor.

Update: 5/28/2020 When the X7 goes and comes out of standby mode there is a faint noise that I here in the speakers. Solution: I have a AUX port that puts my amps into sleep mode using a relay. My Crestron has a built-in relay for both amps. I can put the amps to sleep and then the processor in standby. Problem solved. You can also use a trigger if your amps have this feature.

5/30/2020 DiracLive has Bass Control implemented with firmware 1.29. See screen shots below.

6/9/20 Krobar kindly brought to my attention a new Firmware Update 1.33 scroll to bottom of page




Screen Shots of Dirac 3.0 with Bass Control and Firmware 1.33







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Will this model eventually have the full suite of Dirac Live?
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Will this model eventually have the full suite of Dirac Live?
I talked with Tech Support yesterday 5/26/2020 and he said it may have Bass Control already implemented. If not it's coming very soon. I will know this weekend when I run DiracLive.

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Will this model eventually have the full suite of Dirac Live?
It will have Dirac Bass Control very soon but is not present in the current firmware. This is an Arcam AV40 with 2 Balanced XLR inputs added and a nicer skin, they share the same firmware base. I'm still curious to hear about the X9 as that has a quite different DAC board and power implementation to the sister Arcam product.
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It will have Dirac Bass Control very soon but is not present in the current firmware. This is an Arcam AV40 with 2 Balanced XLR inputs added and a nicer skin, they share the same firmware base. I'm still curious to hear about the X9 as that has a quite different DAC board and power implementation to the sister Arcam product.
Wrong, I called Audiocontrol and this is not a Arcam unit. Arcam is a Harman product. Audiocontrol has nothing to do with Arcam. It is made in the US, State of Washington. Please stop spreading BS on this forum.

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Wrong, I called Audiocontrol and this is not a Arcam unit. Arcam is a Harman product. Audiocontrol has nothing to do with Arcam. It is made in the US, State of Washington. Please stop spreading BS on this forum.
Wow, you could not be more wrong. They can construct them where they wish but most of the PCBs and ALL of the software is Harman.

http://www.arcamupdate.co.uk/store/A...40_update.json
http://www.arcamupdate.co.uk/store/A...X9_update.json

Post some photos of the unit itself or the software or the OSD and we can play spot the difference
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Wow, you could not be more wrong. They can construct them where they wish but most of the PCBs and ALL of the software is Harman.

http://www.arcamupdate.co.uk/store/A...40_update.json
http://www.arcamupdate.co.uk/store/A...X9_update.json

Post some photos of the unit itself or the software or the OSD and we can play spot the difference
These units have not even begun to ship to the UK. So you have to do better than that my friend. From my X7:

name = "uboot";
version = "0.100.131114.0-3de0939a";
install-if-different = true;
filename = "u-boot.tar.gz";
device = "/dev/mtd0";
type = "uboot-a113";
sha256 = "cc59476192187c1dfbe3f28f7ed5f9eb92de5f3f4e1633f5e 5f7562d2b7ddf7f";

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These units have not even begun to ship to the UK. So you have to do better than that my friend. From my X7:

name = "uboot";
version = "0.100.131114.0-3de0939a";
install-if-different = true;
filename = "u-boot.tar.gz";
device = "/dev/mtd0";
type = "uboot-a113";
sha256 = "cc59476192187c1dfbe3f28f7ed5f9eb92de5f3f4e1633f5e 5f7562d2b7ddf7f";
Anyone who wishes to see the two units are heavily related can see for themselves. You can download the Arcam 1.28 firmware here:
https://www.arcam.co.uk/product,hda,...vers,avr20.htm
and the Audio control 1.29 firmware here:
https://www.audiocontrol.com/home-au...rs/maestro-x7/

The 2 image.swu files are an identical match, this is the MD5:
189dadadf1b9ccc8a2f80bb8ebec6c72
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The Audiocontrol has Arcam innards.

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Wrong, I called Audiocontrol and this is not a Arcam unit. Arcam is a Harman product. Audiocontrol has nothing to do with Arcam. It is made in the US, State of Washington. Please stop spreading BS on this forum.

I have to believe you or the rep misunderstood something. AudioControl’s a good company, so I would not expect them to lie like that.

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I have to believe you or the rep misunderstood something. AudioControl’s a good company, so I would not expect them to lie like that.
From AudioControl's website:

AudioControl has a 40-plus year history of creating award-winning Made in USA products for integrators and backing them up with superior customer service as well as a 5-year warranty. Engineered and manufactured in the Pacific Northwest, these newly unveiled theater processors, receivers and amplifiers are prime examples of best-in-class, innovative product designs from AudioControl.
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AudioControl has a 40-plus year history of creating award-winning Made in USA products for integrators and backing them up with superior customer service as well as a 5-year warranty. Engineered and manufactured in the Pacific Northwest, these newly unveiled theater processors, receivers and amplifiers are prime examples of best-in-class, innovative product designs from AudioControl.

Maybe they “engineered and manufactured” a faceplate in the US?

Their previous AVRs and prepros were reskinned Arcam units as well.

Recall Lexicon once strenuously claimed there was something special (aside from casework) for their recased Oppo player.

Furthermore, if you haven’t used the room correction and confirmed that it sticks on all channels in all sound modes (a known defect in the JBL version of this unit) you should retract this statement as you cannot know the truth of your claim.

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The processor had the latest firmware update and every function worked out of the box.
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Maybe they “engineered and manufactured” a faceplate in the US?

Their precious AVRs and prepros were reskinned Arcam units as well.

Recall Lexicon once strenuously claimed there was something special (aside from casework) for their recased Oppo player.

Furthermore, if you haven’t used the room correction and confirmed that it sticks on all channels in all sound modes (a known defect in the JBL version of this unit) you should retract this statement as you cannot know the truth of your claim.
As DS-21 mentioned, these have always been based on Arcam products. I can't see why this suddenly changed. Layer in the virtually identical back panel and firmware and I can't see how anybody reasonably conclude otherwise.
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Maybe they “engineered and manufactured” a faceplate in the US?

Their precious AVRs and prepros were reskinned Arcam units as well.

Recall Lexicon once strenuously claimed there was something special (aside from casework) for their recased Oppo player.

Furthermore, if you haven’t used the room correction and confirmed that it sticks on all channels in all sound modes (a known defect in the JBL version of this unit) you should retract this statement as you cannot know the truth of your claim.
I have already run DiracLive to see if everything works as it should. Guess what no problems. I was waiting for my UMIK-1 mic which I have now. I will being eq'g my subs and running the final calibration Friday night. So I can make that statement. By the way this is my thread so I can do as I please.

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I don't know what's up with you guy's wanting this to be a Arcam unit. This thread is for people interested in the AudioControl Maestro X7. If you have a problem with AudioControl please take your comments some place else. I purchased this unit for my enjoyment and it's everything I wanted and expected. So if you have nothing constructive or a question about this unit then please don't post here. Thanks
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I have already run DiracLive to see if everything works as it should. Guess what no problems.
Interesting, in light of your previous comments:

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I talked with Tech Support yesterday 5/26/2020 and he said it may have Bass Control already implemented.
Given the pace of the conversation, it's fair to say that you could not have calibrated Dirac and performed QC to see if your unit has the same Dirac problems as reported for a sister-prepro. See the JBL Synthesis prepro thread for more info.

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By the way this is my thread so I can do as I please.
It's AVS Forum's thread. The only thing you have control over here is your credibility.

The prepro's lineage is frankly not in question, except by you. Nobody would be talking about it except that you keep insisting that up is down.
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I don't know what's up with you guy's wanting this to be a Arcam unit. This thread is for people interested in the AudioControl Maestro X7. If you have a problem with AudioControl please take your comments some place else. I purchased this unit for my enjoyment and it's everything I wanted and expected. So if you have nothing constructive or a question about this unit then please don't post here. Thanks
The Arcam, JBL and Audiocontrol are all based on the same basic design and components. I don't know why this is so offensive to you. We are here to share and learn from each other. There are tons of very experienced and knowledgeable posters here on AVS. Lets use that to learn from each other. If you love the unit, that is all that matters. However to turn a blind eye to findings from the "sister" units doesn't do anybody any good. Ignoring the information, measurements and findings from other users doesn't make the information not true or valid.
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The Arcam, JBL and Audiocontrol are all based on the same basic design and components. I don't know why this is so offensive to you. We are here to share and learn from each other. There are tons of very experienced and knowledgeable posters here on AVS. Lets use that to learn from each other. If you love the unit, that is all that matters. However to turn a blind eye to findings from the "sister" units doesn't do anybody any good. Ignoring the information, measurements and findings from other users doesn't make the information not true or valid.
It does not matter to me if this unit uses Harman software. Most company's use some of sort of software from Harman or Trinnov. Our company carries a multitude of brands which include JBL Synthesis, Pro, AudioControl, NAD, Anthem, Rotel, Wisdom and Integra just to name a few. This is the second unit I have installed. The first unit went with out a hitch and DiracLive ran as it should no problems. The second unit happens to be in my personal system. I just changed from JBL Synthesis to Audio Control because we have been encountering issue with JBL Synthesis processors. This company is our go to at the moment because they work without problems. I looked at the Anthem AVM60 but I wanted to stick with DiracLive. There are some very experienced people on this site but there are also some not so experienced folks that just want to go to the ends of the earth to prove their point. Thanks for being cordial and I am not offended by any of the posts. I take them with a grain of salt.
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I take them with a grain of salt.
Maybe you should reconsider your original response to me as it seems you are the one spreading BS.
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Maybe you should reconsider your original response to me as it seems you are the one spreading BS.
You are not the person I am referring to but I stand buy my original statement. AudioControl may use some of Harman's software but that does not mean the hardware is the same. Harman has a vast amount of patent's and a lot of company's use their software. At the end of the day I really like this unit and it just works very well. Sorry if I offended you not my intent.
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I talked with Tech Support yesterday 5/26/2020 and he said it may have Bass Control already implemented. If not it's coming very soon. I will know this weekend when I run DiracLive.
Back to the original question then. The current 1.28/1.29 firmware does not have Dirac Bass enabled. Dirac have publicly announced it will be available soon for the Audiocontrols, Arcams and JBL Synths:
https://www.avforums.com/news/dirac-...vailable.17536

I suspect the same software issue affecting the JBL and Arcams will mean Dirac does not get applied to the centre channel when using an Atmos source and also many types of source leave one Surround or back channel without Dirac applied. We also hope to see this issue resolved soon as the software seems to be improving quite quickly.
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Back to the original question then. The current 1.28/1.29 firmware does not have Dirac Bass enabled. Dirac have publicly announced it will be available soon for the Audiocontrols, Arcams and JBL Synths:
https://www.avforums.com/news/dirac-...vailable.17536

I suspect the same software issue affecting the JBL and Arcams will mean Dirac does not get applied to the center channel when using an Atmos source and also many types of source leave one Surround or back channel without Dirac applied. We also hope to see this issue resolved soon as the software seems to be improving quite quickly.
The first unit I installed did not have Bass Control. With this unit I have only done speaker levels. I will calibrated tomorrow night 5/29/2020. Audio control tech support said this unit may have the Bass Control update. I am not holding my breath. I will be posting screen shot of my calibration when I am finished. I have to EQ my subs because I am running them separate as front subs. In DiracLive the speaker level screen shows two separate subs and the seven other channels. From what I have read the BC app likes the multiple subs separated on their own channels.

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It does not matter to me if this unit uses Harman software. Most company's use some of sort of software from Harman or Trinnov.
Why are you still furiously digging?

Denon/Marantz, Yamaha, StormAudio/Bryston/Focal, Datasat, Monoprice/ATI, NAD, and Anthem would all find your statement puzzling and amusing.

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The first unit went with out a hitch and DiracLive ran as it should no problems.
I take it you did not evaluate to see if it has the same problem with Dirac calibrations not sticking demonstrated in the thread for another Arcam variant (JBL Synthesis). Maybe in the Arcam thread too, but I don’t read that thread.

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The first unit I installed did not have Bass Control. With this unit I have only done speaker levels. I will calibrated tomorrow night 5/29/2020. Audio control tech support said this unit may have the Bass Control update. I am not holding my breath. I will be posting screen shot of my calibration when I am finished. I have to EQ my subs because I am running them separate as front subs. In DiracLive the speaker level screen shows two separate subs and the seven other channels. From what I have read the BC app likes the multiple subs separated on their own channels.
Have you seen an X9s in the wild yet? The DAC and Analogue sections in these look like quite a serious upgrade.
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Have you seen an X9s in the wild yet? The DAC and Analogue sections in these look like quite a serious upgrade.
No, we have not ordered one of these for any projects. The rep said the DAC is the best money can buy. The X9 and X7 are the same except for that DAC it must be special. I suspect if we have a customer who is a avid music buff we would recommend the X9. Although I think the DAC works on all channels.

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I spoke to Branden and Chris at CEDIA.

It is an Arcam. You just can’t use “some” of the software without major effort.

The X9 appears to have a different DAC and a somewhat reworked audio section. My guess is build to suit so to speak.

Arcam has been the AC Maestro OEM for some time. The Maestro M3/4 had “ARCAM AV888” on the boards.
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I spoke to Branden and Chris at CEDIA.

It is an Arcam. You just can’t use “some” of the software without major effort.

The X9 appears to have a different DAC and a somewhat reworked audio section. My guess is build to suit so to speak.

Arcam has been the AC Maestro OEM for some time. The Maestro M3/4 had “ARCAM AV888” on the boards.

These units from JBL, Arcam and Audio Control are built by Anam Electronics in their Viet Nam factory.



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It's like we're back in 2016 with Audiocontrol owners/dealers claiming they're totally different from the Arcam units.

Just like back then, they're rebadged Arcams with a different DAC, faceplate, and a few other small differences.
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As StereoJeff posted...
The basic Arcam products are assembled in Vietnam by Anam Electronics.
The Anam design team is located in Korea but before moving their factory to Vietnam it was located in China. Assembling electronics in Vietnam has a number of benefits including lower labor costs, isolation from China's political situation but most importantly has no import duties when shipped to Europe and other global markets. Products shipped to North America would have also had no import duties if the TPP had passed but Trump killed it. 3rd quarter/2019 Anam opened factory #2 in Vietnam and there they are building smart BT loudspeakers, major customer is JBL. Factory #1 where Arcam products are assembled started out building AVRs for Harman/Kardon, Marantz, Anthem plus integrated amplifiers for many other brands including Marantz, Denon, Yamaha, NAD, Onkyo, Pioneer. Both of Anam's factories in Vietnam are very modern, state--of-art with a lot of robotic automation, assembly equipment.


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