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5ch Amp Reccomendation

All, looking for a 5ch amp and kind of overwhelmed by all the choices. Looking for good clean sound, my speakers are already 98db efficiency so are easily driven. Looking for something in the 200-250wpc for all 5 channels. Have seen the Emotiva and Monoprice offerings but what else should I be considering in the $2500 or less price range?
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What do you feel you need an amp if your speakers have 98db efficiency?
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If you can find a Rotel RMB1095 it would fit the bill. They are excellent amps.

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If you really need an amp, (with speakers 98 db efficiency). I recommend the D-Sonic M3a-2000. 400 watts X 5, $2,675.
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If you really need an amp, (with speakers 98 db efficiency). I recommend the D-Sonic M3a-2000. 400 watts X 5, $2,675.
2nd this. Cool running, low profile, built like tanks. Emphasis on the IF too - do you think you really need an amp, or do you just want to experiment, see if it improves things?
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All, looking for a 5ch amp and kind of overwhelmed by all the choices. Looking for good clean sound, my speakers are already 98db efficiency so are easily driven. Looking for something in the 200-250wpc for all 5 channels. Have seen the Emotiva and Monoprice offerings but what else should I be considering in the $2500 or less price range?

i’d look at the ATI class D amps.

Here’s a good deal on one in the classifieds

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-a...amplifier.html
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i’d look at the ATI class D amps.

Here’s a good deal on one in the classifieds

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-a...amplifier.html
For $175 more than the used ATI, the D-Sonic M3a-2000 provides 200 watts per channel MORE at (400 watts X 5 into 8 ohms, versus 200 watts/channel), and the D-Sonic would be brand new.
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hmmm, the price was lower last night when i posted.

I like ID companies, but dealing with a larger company has advantages as well.
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I second the D-Sonic recommendation! Also, today is the last day for Anthem's 20% off sale. Along with D-Sonic, I would look at the Anthem MCA 525.
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The D-Sonic M3a-2000 puts out 400 watts per channel vs. 225 watts/channel for the Anthem MCA 525. The Anthem also costs more, especially after today.
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The problem with ID amps is if you have a problem, you're waiting a while.

I've never been a fan of Rotel. I wanted to be, but I've heard the 1075 and 1095 Rotel amps and they were anemic in the bass and weren't up to the task of being driven hard.
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Monolith 5X would be a my choice unless you want a fully balanced XLR connection. The monoliths are made by ATI and from I can tell are constructed the same or similar to their 1800/2000 series amps. I have had my 7X for a couple years now and it’s been great. Clean power and a dead silent background(at least on my speakers anyway)

With your efficient speakers I can’t imagine you would ever need more than 200W per channel.

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All, looking for a 5ch amp and kind of overwhelmed by all the choices. Looking for good clean sound, my speakers are already 98db efficiency so are easily driven. Looking for something in the 200-250wpc for all 5 channels. Have seen the Emotiva and Monoprice offerings but what else should I be considering in the $2500 or less price range?
I bought an Emotiva XPA5 10 years ago.
Would I buy another one?,
don't need to, this one is still rockin.....effortlessly.

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Bryston 9BST or 9BSST. Used is fine, they are built like tanks and have a 20-year warranty to back it up.
EDIT: I noticed you are looking for 200-250 watts. Don't need it for your high sensitivity speakers unless you are looking for instant hearing loss. Something less powerful would still give you plenty of headroom.
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Bryston 9BST or 9BSST. Used is fine, they are built like tanks and have a 20-year warranty to back it up.
EDIT: I noticed you are looking for 200-250 watts. Don't need it for your high sensitivity speakers unless you are looking for instant hearing loss. Something less powerful would still give you plenty of headroom.

I’ll be looking for a 5 Channel Amp next year and the Bryston 9B Cubed Multi-Channel is #1 on my list. Love the configurable channels and 20 year warranty...maybe the last amp I’ll ever buy!


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I’ll be looking for a 5 Channel Amp next year and the Bryston 9B Cubed Multi-Channel is #1 on my list. Love the configurable channels and 20 year warranty...maybe the last amp I’ll ever buy!


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Look at Audio Control Pantages G4.

230wpc x 5, you can bridge 1/2 and 3/4 making it a 3 ch.

Class H runs cool and rock solid. Less $ than ATI
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Look at Audio Control Pantages G4.

230wpc x 5, you can bridge 1/2 and 3/4 making it a 3 ch.

Class H runs cool and rock solid. Less $ than ATI

Never heard of class H before so I’ll have to research it. Thanks Mike.


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I’ll be looking for a 5 Channel Amp next year and the Bryston 9B Cubed Multi-Channel is #1 on my list. Love the configurable channels and 20 year warranty...maybe the last amp I’ll ever buy!


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I've got a suite of Brystons running my system. 2x 9BST and 1x 6BST. Killer amps (and killer weight, too, that 6BST weighs just under 90 lbs). Since they are all individual monoblocks if one goes bad you take only the one malfunctioning and send it to them. Completely neutral sound to my ears. Highly recommended.
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Bryston 9BST or 9BSST. Used is fine, they are built like tanks and have a 20-year warranty to back it up.
EDIT: I noticed you are looking for 200-250 watts. Don't need it for your high sensitivity speakers unless you are looking for instant hearing loss. Something less powerful would still give you plenty of headroom.
I went through the same process of needing more amplifier channels in order to drive 4 additional height or Atmos speakers. I looked briefly for a Bryston 9BSST but didn't find one. I already have a 6BSST in my main theater and a 4BST and a 7BST in my secondary theater that is really more of a music room. I also use a 10B Sub crossover in the music room set up with my main speakers in theater bypass mode.

I ended up ordering a Monolith by Monoprice 7x200 and it just arrived today. I managed to get it in the garage. It is a heavy beast. I may be able to carry it down to the basement myself if I take it out of the box. The box makes it difficult to get a good balanced grip without throwing out my back. I might wait for my son to come over and help me carry it down and lift it into the rack. With a new Marantz AV7705 I'll now be running 7.1.4 with 3 subwoofers. I'll keep the other five channel amp and two pro amps in the theater and hope my 20 amp circuit can power them all.

I have efficient mains and center as well and will be repurposing the Bryston 6BSST for other duty, likely the music room. I've owned Bryston pre-amps and processor pre-amps in the past as well. Needless to say I am a Bryston fan.
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@GeorgeHolland & @Gary Mertz - Read some comments on Audiogon today that indicated that Bryston amps need a warmer sounding preamp because the sound was a little thin “bright” because the amps was very fast. Pretty much the opposite of McIntosh which they considered warm and slow.


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@GeorgeHolland & @Gary Mertz - Read some comments on Audiogon today that indicated that Bryston amps need a warmer sounding preamp because the sound was a little thin “bright” because the amps was very fast. Pretty much the opposite of McIntosh which they considered warm and slow.


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Sounds like a positive Bryston attribute to me. I want my amps to instantly provide power from the source to the speaker without adding any colorization. Bright and warm sounds like a sommelier describing a wine. How could being slow be a good thing? I highly doubt McIntosh is slow either and doubt I would hear any difference between the two, or Monoprice for that matter but hey, if someone on audiogon said it, it must be true .
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Read some comments on Audiogon today that indicated that Bryston amps need a warmer sounding preamp because the sound was a little thin “bright” because the amps was very fast. Pretty much the opposite of McIntosh which they considered warm and slow.
McIntosh solid-state gear, in my experience (going back to the 1960s), typically sounds neutral to a bit warm. They have a detailed, spacious, natural, easygoing, fatigue-free sound and a sonic richness (somewhat like great tube gear) that I rarely hear in other brands.

Yes, my McIntosh integrated amp is "slow." It just sits on a shelf and never seems to move at any speed. But I will keep watching to make sure it doesn't slowly walk off that shelf.
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@GeorgeHolland & @Gary Mertz - Read some comments on Audiogon today that indicated that Bryston amps need a warmer sounding preamp because the sound was a little thin “bright” because the amps was very fast. Pretty much the opposite of McIntosh which they considered warm and slow.


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Makes precisely no sense. I've never heard a fast nor slow amp. I've heard amps that produce power. Now, some do indeed sound a bit different from others but I'm quite certain my Brystons aren't thin nor bright and they certainly are not fast nor slow.
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@GeorgeHolland ; @Gary Mertz ; @Alex F. - thank you guys very much for the responses. I'm new to buying amps and have never heard of an amp being bright or warm either, speakers yes, but not so much with amps. Therefore, I was a a little confused.

I would like to move from an AVR to a processor next year and currently looking at amps to buy now in case I find a good deal and purchase a new Anthem AVM when it comes out in the next year or two.

@Alex F. - How do you like the MA6500? I have the MA8900 on my short list, along with the Naim Uniti Nova and Luxman L-509. I've heard the MA5300 with a Cambridge CD player when auditioning speakers and I did not like that combo.

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I'm new to buying amps and have never heard of an amp being bright or warm either, speakers yes, but not so much with amps. Therefore, I was a a little confused.

@Alex F. - How do you like the MA6500? I have the MA8900 on my short list, along with the Naim Uniti Nova and Luxman L-509. I've heard the MA5300 with a Cambridge CD player when auditioning speakers and I did not like that combo.
I did not say nor intend to imply that I have "never heard of an amp being bright or warm." Quite the contrary, in fact. Over my many years as an audiophile I have brought home numerous power amps, preamps, and integrated amps that were too bright and fatiguing or overly warm to enjoy. My ears prefer neutral to slightly warm amplification.

One unusual example was a McIntosh MA6300 integrated amp that I purchased for a secondary music system. I say unusual because it was not voiced anything like our MA6500 or any other McIntosh component with which I am familiar. It was so bright that my wife and I liked it only when we turned it off. It went back to the dealer.

I love the rich, smooth, natural sound of our MA6500. It is the best solid-state unit I have heard to date and I cannot see myself ever selling it.

Note that I have not heard the MA5300 or MA8900. I would certainly like to audition them if I were looking for a new integrated amplifier.
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