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post #61 of 317 Old 06-13-2009, 02:54 PM
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I'm running 5 + a another 2ch amp into a Tripplite surge iSobar and have no issues.

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Good practice is to go by 100 watts equals 1amp. 1500 watts for 15amp curcuit and 2000 for 20 amp curcuit.
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I don't buy the idea that a properly operating modern solid state amps have a sonic signature. Look at the specs, they are all flat, have low distortion, high signal to noise, and so on. So long as the amp is not clipping I don't think people can reliably distinguish between two modern, properly operating amplifiers under controlled conditions.

Here is a study that was conducted some years ago comparing amps ranging from the amp section of a $200 receiver to an exotic refrigerator sized tube amp costing $6000 ea per monoblock. Twenty five hi-fi professionals were used as test subjects.

The results were very simple. Nobody could distinguish between the amps.

http://www.hometheaterfocus.com/rece...d-quality.aspx

Amplifier sonic signature claims are very much in the same class as power cable, exotic speaker wire, and interconnects, and the latest HDMI cable claims.

I would pick an amp based on something else - price, power efficiency, power rating, ability to handle your speaker's impedance rating, warranty, etc.

How untrue.

Amps do have sonic signatures, largely because of their damping factors and also how they handle various loads across the frequency spectrum. It is physics something no on e can get away from.

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Thanks for the input, everyone. My system currently includes two pair of older B&K monos and watching a DVD will usually pull up to around 7 amps at most, because the TV (a Kuro plasma) is on also. Playing music seems to average around 4.5 amps or so. Because outlets are limited everything is plugged into the Tripplites. I've had no problems with the configuration. If I don't blast them, maybe I could get away with these 2200s.

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How untrue.

Amps do have sonic signatures, largely because of their damping factors and also how they handle various loads across the frequency spectrum. It is physics something no on e can get away from.



Both posts are only accurate depending on the audibility of the specs that people love to quote. You are unlikely to hear the difference between an amp with a Damping Factor of 100, compared to one with a DF of 200. I offer the following since you mentioned that spec:

cartchunk.org/audiotopics/DampingFactor.pdf

Furthermore, you are also unlikely to discern the difference between two systems playing at less than 0.1% distortion within their operating range, ditto for SN ratios above 75dB.

This said, comparing any of these amps by spec isn't going to tell you much. The psychological impact of a giant metal chassis that weighs 150 lbs will alter your opinion of the sound when it's sitting next to a small, 1U integrated amp (I guarantee many audiophiles will say silly things like "the bass is tighter from the larger amp") more than the electronics inside. Even physiological differences like the resonant frequency of your ear canal will change what you hear from your audiophile buddy.

Given that most modern amps fall within the critieria of producing output that does not influence the incoming signal (easily exceed the audible threshold of commonly published specs), I'd agree with the original poster that anything above a T-amp (highly lauded in the audio community) is probably inaudible on speakers with even a remotely friendly impedance curve.

So, I bet that the M2200 is fantastic, and I haven't even "heard" it... I just wish companies could charge the same amount for such a simple device that is made in the USA.
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I love my stack, looking to get two more soon!

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I have to admit, a stack of those little guys is certainly impressive looking!
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Just have to give my $0.02... I went from Parasound 2205/1000 to 7xMA2200 but was disappointed with the switch, so I went back to Parasound Halo (A51/A23) and am much happier with those. Of course, the Parasound's are in a different price range and I'm not saying the Outlaws are bad, but I much prefer the warmer Parasound sound...
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Just have to give my $0.02... I went from Parasound 2205/1000 to 7xMA2200 but was disappointed with the switch, so I went back to Parasound Halo (A51/A23) and am much happier with those. Of course, the Parasound's are in a different price range and I'm not saying the Outlaws are bad, but I much prefer the warmer Parasound sound...

Shame it doesn't have balanced inputs.
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Just about finished with my dedicated HT and have looked at a few amps recently to compliment a Integra DHC-9.9 pre/pro, 2 Definitive Tech 7000's, CLR 3000, 4 RSS II's and a reference super cube. I have to admit the price is sweet on these, but all the HT hardware aside I still listen to my multi channel transport and rega turntable. The music is very important. Anyone with similar/same speakers using these outlaw's?
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I just purchased a single M-2200 amp to test with my center channel speaker. Needless to say that I was very impressed. My only complaint is that I wished that Outlaw Audio would move the power switch from the back to the front of the unit.

I watched a movie for two hours straight last night, and it did not even get warm to the touch. I will be purchasing two more units for the rear surrounds once funds become available within the next couple of weeks.

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John, are you running any amps for the front L/R?

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John, are you running any amps for the front L/R?

I am not. I am only using the 3 amps for center and left and right surround channels. I am letting my Bryston 4B SST handle the front left / right channels..

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I have 5 of the 2200 spread around. Each mounted close to the speaker it is powering. Only in one location do I get the buzz. It happens approximately at 9:00 AM, 1:00 PM and 9:00 PM every day and lasts about 10 seconds.
This happens as long as power is applied to the 2200. Does not matter if it is in use or not. I have played musical chairs with the 2200 and it happens to all of them in this one location.
And yes, I have line filters on the power side.
But we do have a air force presence in the area. I have come to the conclusion that this may be some frequency sweep that the military does in fixed intervals.
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I have 5 of the 2200 spread around. Each mounted close to the speaker it is powering. Only in one location do I get the buzz. It happens approximately at 9:00 AM, 1:00 PM and 9:00 PM every day and lasts about 10 seconds.
This happens as long as power is applied to the 2200. Does not matter if it is in use or not. I have played musical chairs with the 2200 and it happens to all of them in this one location.
And yes, I have line filters on the power side.
But we do have a air force presence in the area. I have come to the conclusion that this may be some frequency sweep that the military does in fixed intervals.

does'nt seem to be a M2200, more of a ground problem?
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Ok, I've searched and searched and not found an existing thread so Ill start one. There are also so few Amp threads and hard to find real good info peices on amps.

I'm now up to 5 Outlaw 2200's on my system and will go 7 and maybe even 9 to 11. I absolutely love these things. Sure they aren't flashy like a lot of amps but I must say, I absolutely love their sound quality. I've spent the past month investigating amps around here and I am amazed at how their pricing grows exponentially from 200 watts+. You just can't beat the price on these things. I can't find any complaints about them anywhere.

I like the fact that at any time in the future, I can swap them out. Their so useful I can move them to my system in my bedroom or my bonus room (when my ht is done). They drive just about anything and if they don't, then buy 2 more and biamp them. (Ive heard of guys tri-amping speakers with them)
When I hit 7, Ill be ready for a prepro specifically the Integra 9.8 which is on my radar (as if I could even get one).

You just can't beat the price of these little guys, excellent bang for the buck. I friggen love them.

Thank you for starting this awesome thread!!! I just bought my first Outlaw Audio Model 2200 and I must say that I am super thrilled!!! I have my center channel (Energy CC-10) hooked up to the Outlaw Audio Model 2200 and I am blown away. Though the difference is not "dramatic" the details it now throws at me is amazing! I love listening to Acapella and after hooking the OAM2200 I can def. hear the difference.

Now, my question to you guys is: How is the Outlaw Audio Model 200?? It seems I can get them for a very decent price (used of course) trying to save money .. lol Do you think it will do enough justice to power my LR (CF-70)? Or should I save more money to buy the Model 2200? Thank you!!
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Thank you for starting this awesome thread!!! I just bought my first Outlaw Audio Model 2200 and I must say that I am super thrilled!!! I have my center channel (Energy CC-10) hooked up to the Outlaw Audio Model 2200 and I am blown away. Though the difference is not "dramatic" the details it now throws at me is amazing! I love listening to Acapella and after hooking the OAM2200 I can def. hear the difference.

Now, my question to you guys is: How is the Outlaw Audio Model 200?? It seems I can get them for a very decent price (used of course) trying to save money .. lol Do you think it will do enough justice to power my LR (CF-70)? Or should I save more money to buy the Model 2200? Thank you!!

Look at the b stock at outlaw. The 2200 is quite a bit cheaper, has the full five year warranty, and comes with free shipping. I purchased 3 b stock units (LCR) and only one had a minor scratch. The other two looked new.

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Look at the b stock at outlaw. The 2200 is quite a bit cheaper, has the full five year warranty, and comes with free shipping. I purchased 3 b stock units (LCR) and only one had a minor scratch. The other two looked new.

I am sorry but what is the b stick and where do I find that> thanks!

Don't worry I just found it.. too bad it is all sold out. But thanks anyways..

Do you know anything about the Model 200 though??
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I am sorry but what is the b stick and where do I find that> thanks!

Don't worry I just found it.. too bad it is all sold out. But thanks anyways..

Do you know anything about the Model 200 though??

Sorry, didn't notice it was OOS. Keep your eyes on that page... gotta love that warranty vs. a used amp. I thought the 200 was very similar to the 2200, but I have no firsthand experience.

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Sorry, didn't notice it was OOS. Keep your eyes on that page... gotta love that warranty vs. a used amp. I thought the 200 was very similar to the 2200, but I have no firsthand experience.

You got a point.. I will keep an eye. Thanks!
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Do you think it will do enough justice to power my LR (CF-70)? Or should I save more money to buy the Model 2200? Thank you!!

I just looked at your speakers specs

System Type 3-way floorstanding, bass reflex with front-firing port
Frequency Response 34Hz - 20kHz
Recommended Amplifier Power 20-300 W /channel
Impedance 4 Ohms min./8 Ohms nominal
Tweeter 1-inch (25.4mm) hyperbolic aluminum-dome
Midrange 5.5-inch (140mm) w/Ribbed Elliptical Surround
Woofer 2 x 6.5-inch (165mm) w/Ribbed Elliptical Surrounds
Sensitivity (2 speakers in a typical room) 96dB Crossover Point 2kHz, 650Hz

http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...pecifications/

and the 2200 won't even break a sweat pushing your mains due to their high sensitivity, if you can get two more then go for it!

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I just looked at your speakers specs

System Type 3-way floorstanding, bass reflex with front-firing port
Frequency Response 34Hz - 20kHz
Recommended Amplifier Power 20-300 W /channel
Impedance 4 Ohms min./8 Ohms nominal
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Woofer 2 x 6.5-inch (165mm) w/Ribbed Elliptical Surrounds
Sensitivity (2 speakers in a typical room) 96dB Crossover Point 2kHz, 650Hz

http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...pecifications/

and the 2200 won't even break a sweat pushing your mains due to their high sensitivity, if you can get two more then go for it!

Since the Model 200s share the same specs I would assume they will do well too right?
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Since the Model 200s share the same specs I would assume they will do well too right?

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i own both models only difference is the balanced input on the 2200.

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i own both models only difference is the balanced input on the 2200.

Thank you much!! What is the difference between the two?? (balanced and unbalanced) Does it matter??
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My three M-200's have been powering my three DIY mains for about 5 years with wonderful results.

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My three M-200's have been powering my three DIY mains for about 5 years with wonderful results.

What does your DIY speakers consist of? Thanks!
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Sweet! Thank you!! It looks awesome btw! Are you a member at the blu-ray.com forum? If so what is your id as I would like to see more pics of you have them up there.. thanks!
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Guys, How does this compare? Any opinions??

crown xls 1000 vs outlaw audio m2200
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