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I have a 5100 with a 7700 and 7140 and have no issues either. It's all silent...

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I have a 5100 with a 7700 and 7140 and have no issues either. It's all silent...
Hmm, I have some 2200s that maybe I should try with my 3050 for the front channels. If they work w/o producing audio pops perhaps it's a problem with my 7140.

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Hmm, I have some 2200s that maybe I should try with my 3050 for the front channels. If they work w/o producing audio pops perhaps it's a problem with my 7140.
Grounding issues can sometimes cause little pops in amps. Probably you should call Outlaw about it and see what they say.
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Grounding issues can sometimes cause little pops in amps. Probably you should call Outlaw about it and see what they say.
That's a good point. I may try calling Outlaw but first I think I'll try three of my 2200s for the front channels only and see how that works out. I probably should have gone that route in the first place since the 2200s aren't currently being used.

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Well, I switching to using two of my Outlaw Audio 2200 monoblock amps for the front channels rather than the 7140 for all 7 bed channels and that has solved the popping issue...no more pops at all.

I don't know what was causing the issue with the 7140 but getting to the equipment and changing it is enough of a pain that I'm likely to just leave well enough alone.

Of course, had I thought about it enough to begin with, this is what I what I should have done in the first place.

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Well, I switching to using two of my Outlaw Audio 2200 monoblock amps for the front channels rather than the 7140 for all 7 bed channels and that has solved the popping issue...no more pops at all.

I don't know what was causing the issue with the 7140 but getting to the equipment and changing it is enough of a pain that I'm likely to just leave well enough alone.

Of course, had I thought about it enough to begin with, this is what I what I should have done in the first place.
I wouldn't rule out a defective amp. Discuss it with Outlaw and see what they think.
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I wouldn't rule out a defective amp. Discuss it with Outlaw and see what they think.
Yeah, I probably will. All of the pops were sufficiently annoying that I couldn't put up with them.

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Try the 7140 with your 5100 and see if you get pops. I have my 7140 powering my Atmos/DTSX on my 5100 and it works perfect. So it could be a 7140 problem or a matching problem with the 3050.

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Try the 7140 with your 5100 and see if you get pops. I have my 7140 powering my Atmos/DTSX on my 5100 and it works perfect. So it could be a 7140 problem or a matching problem with the 3050.
Problem with my 5100 system is that it's even more trouble to shuffle stuff in and out than my 3050 system. I may try a simpler test that is easier to setup if I can scrounge up enough parts.

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I'm looking for advice/help regarding a new configuration that I'm trying with my 3050.

I recently got an Outlaw Audio 7140 7 channel power amp and figured I'd use it with my 3050 system. Currently I have it setup so that it is driving the 7 bed channels and the 3050 is driving the 4 presence channels. This is working ok with one rather annoying attribute...I am now getting audio pops when I make changes in DSP modes (for example) or inputs sometimes (appears to be rather random as to whether or not it happens). I don't remember experiencing this when I was using the 9 amps in the 3050 and an external 2 channel amp (Emotiva a-100) for the rear presence channels.

So, have others that are using external amps for the front channels experienced this? I have my 3050 set to use an external amp for the front channels but have also wired the remaining bed channels to the 7140.

Any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
I have an Outlaw 5000 (bought used like new from CL) and my speakers(Chane/BIC) now make a popping noise when rewinding or fast forwarding my DVR content or when changing surround modes on my older legacy Denon receiver. I called customer support and they were very nice but basically said it wasn't the amp causing it but the receiver and grounding it wouldn't help. It pops still through all the speakers but it seems to be quieter now or maybe I'm just getting used to it😏. Love the amp. Don't love the pop but it's very slight. With any content playing I wouldn't even hear it I'm sure.

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I have an Outlaw 5000 (bought used like new from CL) and my speakers(Chane/BIC) now make a popping noise when rewinding or fast forwarding my DVR content or when changing surround modes on my older legacy Denon receiver. I called customer support and they were very nice but basically said it wasn't the amp causing it but the receiver and grounding it wouldn't help. It pops still through all the speakers but it seems to be quieter now or maybe I'm just getting used to it😏. Love the amp. Don't love the pop but it's very slight. With any content playing I wouldn't even hear it I'm sure.
That sounds similar to what I get with my 7140 and my 3050. In my case switching from the 7140 to the two 2200s eliminated the popping. Given that, I'd say that even if the 7140 wasn't making the popping noise, it was somehow causing it to occur. Note that my 7900 & 7700 don't cause any popping with my 5100.

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That sounds similar to what I get with my 7140 and my 3050. In my case switching from the 7140 to the two 2200s eliminated the popping. Given that, I'd say that even if the 7140 wasn't making the popping noise, it was somehow causing it to occur. Note that my 7900 & 7700 don't cause any popping with my 5100.
Got it. I think their point was the amp was just accentuating something that was already there in my receiver to begin with ( just not audible until I added the external amp.) Not saying that's correct just that's how I read into what they were telling me. I might experiment with removing a couple speakers and see what happens. Glad you found a workaround for it. I hate those little noises as well and when I hear them it's hard to unhear them if you know what I mean.

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@bwillcox Here's a copy paste of one of the timely responses I received from Outlaw. I even called and talked to someone else later as well. Nice people there.

EDIT: I added the first response as well.

"Unfortunately, what you are describing
could not be the power amp. The operation of the power amp is to simply
increase the AC signal present at the input. When a specific problem
happens, such as you are describing, it would be related to the unit
doing the processing. For example, if the Model 5000 had an issue,
because the inputs are always live/active when the unit is powered on,
you would experience this problem all the time not just when
pausing/rewinding/etc."



"No worries, we welcome questions. What you are describing is switching
noise either in the playback device or the processor; it wouldn't be
your interconnect cables. If this happens with multiple source devices
such as a player and a cable/sat-top box, I would suspect the processor.
Essentially, the Model 5000 is amplifying this noise."

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I'm not sure I buy that completely. I have seen faulty amps generating pops.
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I'm not sure I buy that completely. I have seen faulty amps generating pops.
No disagreement there. My responses were edited out and I did give some push back . In the end though since I still have almost 4 years of transferred warranty and the pops( to me at least) have lessened in volume I'll be curious to see when I get my new AV receiver, hopefully sooner than later, if anything changes.

Still not ruling out the amp though but I read the OP's post about a similar issue and thought this info might be helpful. For my sake I hope it is my receiver causing it but who knows. Love the amp by the way and Outlaw's CS. They've been nothing but helpful with every thing I've asked of them including getting the warranty swapped over to my name.

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I'm not sure I buy that completely. I have seen faulty amps generating pops.
Yeah, I'm not so sure either. Why would the noises (pops) be there with my 7140 but not with the 2200s. If they are related to the unit doing the processing (my 3050) and unrelated to the 7140 then they should be there in both configurations. No, I think there's something else going on when I connect the 7140.

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I have an Outlaw 7125 running four ceiling atmos speakers and a parasound 2205A running the rest of my theater. My 7125 is about 18 months old and out of the blue two of my atmos speakers started emitting what I would describe as a white noise. The same sound you hear when calibrating speaker levels but only on two speakers the other two are dead silent. My other speakers are dead silent on my parasound which is on the same electrical outlet. If I unplug the RCA for the channel from my preamp the white noise persists. Since this is a 7 channel amp and I am only using 4 channels I tried switching the speakers to a different channel and one I got to stop emitting this noise but the other I have cycled through the three other open channels on the amp and they all make noise through this one speaker to varied degrees all of which are not acceptable levels because of course this is the two speakers above our heads in our theater room.

Time for service? Anything I should try? I know this amp only has a two pronged plug but this does not sound like a ground loop issue to me as it would be audible on all the speakers on this amp would it not?

Oh by the way my amp pops every single time it has powered up since it was new period.

I can't stand white noises in my theater they drive me nuts. I am perplexed at how this came out of the blue and on two speakers at the same time?

Please offer your thoughts, suggestions on what I should do next?

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I have an Outlaw 7125 running four ceiling atmos speakers and a parasound 2205A running the rest of my theater. My 7125 is about 18 months old and out of the blue two of my atmos speakers started emitting what I would describe as a white noise. The same sound you hear when calibrating speaker levels but only on two speakers the other two are dead silent. My other speakers are dead silent on my parasound which is on the same electrical outlet. If I unplug the RCA for the channel from my preamp the white noise persists. Since this is a 7 channel amp and I am only using 4 channels I tried switching the speakers to a different channel and one I got to stop emitting this noise but the other I have cycled through the three other open channels on the amp and they all make noise through this one speaker to varied degrees all of which are not acceptable levels because of course this is the two speakers above our heads in our theater room.

Time for service? Anything I should try? I know this amp only has a two pronged plug but this does not sound like a ground loop issue to me as it would be audible on all the speakers on this amp would it not?

I can't stand white noises in my theater they drive me nuts. I am perplexed at how this came out of the blue and on two speakers at the same time?

Please offer your thoughts, suggestions on what I should do next?
I also have a 7125, purchased B Stock from Outlaw, and twice I have had channels fail similarly to what you described. Outlaw was great to deal with as far as warranty repair, but it is a PITA to pull a heavy amp out of my rack to send back. Twice.

Actually in my case, I started hearing a low level hum out of the failed channels, which was what led me to investigate by removing the RCA cable, which is when I noticed the hiss out of that channel.

Call Outlaw. They will get you fixed up.
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I also have a 7125, purchased B Stock from Outlaw, and twice I have had channels fail similarly to what you described. Outlaw was great to deal with as far as warranty repair, but it is a PITA to pull a heavy amp out of my rack to send back. Twice.

Actually in my case, I started hearing a low level hum out of the failed channels, which was what led me to investigate by removing the RCA cable, which is when I noticed the hiss out of that channel.

Call Outlaw. They will get you fixed up.
As my memory comes back when I bought this amp one of the channels made this white noise hiss out of the box but since I only needed four channels I just jumped to the next channel and moved on I am now out of good working channels...I will call Outlaw and get it back in their hands for repair.
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Not sure what is going on at Outlaw. Ive ordered 3 amps in the past and if they were in stock they shipped fast. I ordered a 7140 Friday around 0730, got a tracking label created quickly, and then nothing. Called yesterday morning and was told it was shipping yesterday, nothing. Sent an email this morning, got a response they would check and get back, nothing...

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Not sure what is going on at Outlaw. Ive ordered 3 amps in the past and if they were in stock they shipped fast. I ordered a 7140 Friday around 0730, got a tracking label created quickly, and then nothing. Called yesterday morning and was told it was shipping yesterday, nothing. Sent an email this morning, got a response they would check and get back, nothing...

Kinda irritating, have never seen them take this long with anything.
On their website it says "reserve" so I suspect that's one reason you haven't gotten a label - hope I'm wrong.

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Not sure what is going on at Outlaw.
I've seen Outlaw get into a supply/demand crunch that they didn't see coming in the past, and had a few delays. Typically it's nothing to serious and not a huge delay.
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When I bought Friday am it did not say reserve, didn't even say reserve this am.
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FWIW they do show a B-stock 7125 if you're in a hurry for an amp.
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OK, I talked to Ben today and he filled me in on something that is not on the invoice, which the person I spoke with on Tues did not tell me (told me it was shipping Tues). It was indeed reserving one, they are being built and it could be 5-10 business days.

Would be smart to add this to the product page by the "order now" button, or note it on the invoice too. When you go to the shop page and items are labeled backorder, there is nothing on the 7140, so it is a little misleading if you aren't paying attention via a checkout note.

So, if you are looking for a 7140, they are obviously running 1-2 weeks behind. At least I know mine will be hot off the line

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Wast just given to FedEx in California, guess ATI finished building it

Should have mid next week.

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Got the 7140 in today and set it up. Outside it of course does not vary much from the 7125, but I do like the power button better. Was also nice to connect everything securely with nice flexible XLR cables. Inspect and pack date was 3/9/17, so they are right there with orders I guess still, I'm sure its a popular amp at that price with today's multi channel systems.

Took me a second to figure out what the shorting pins were, had not seen that before, but of course I did not need to use them.

One thing of note, I sat them both on the counter and powered each up. The 7140 is obviously quieter (transformer hum) than the 7125. It's not like I ever heard the 7125 though. Power cord is also detachable and much thicker on the 7120, and the fuse on the back is 15a instead of 12a on the 7125.
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Got the 7140 in today and set it up. Outside it of course does not vary much from the 7125, but I do like the power button better. Was also nice to connect everything securely with nice flexible XLR cables. Inspect and pack date was 3/9/17, so they are right there with orders I guess still, I'm sure its a popular amp at that price with today's multi channel systems.

Took me a second to figure out what the shorting pins were, had not seen that before, but of course I did not need to use them.

One thing of note, I sat them both on the counter and powered each up. The 7140 is obviously quieter (transformer hum) than the 7125. It's not like I ever heard the 7125 though. Power cord is also detachable and much thicker on the 7120, and the fuse on the back is 15a instead of 12a on the 7125.
I am thinking of picking up one of these at some point.

What type of cables are you using?

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I am thinking of picking up one of these at some point.

What type of cables are you using?

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