Originally Posted by ereed
That's weird two AVRs show very different graphs. I would assume you already level matched and spl matched both equally....but still that is weird between the two AVRs to be that different especially being 15 to 20db off? Also the 2k to 3k shows a sudden rise in spl in the denon. Maybe that's why you mentioned the denon sounded bright/harsh when you got new AVR?
Yeah between the two with the RCA cable, the graphs were way different, not just a little. Both were wherever Audyssey XT32 set them level wise. I usually run my REW sweeps at -20db with subs not hot. It does look like the Onkyo was about 5db higher on average, but I was mainly just looking for how the graphs compared. One thing for sure, the RCA graph on the Denon was not good in comparison.
HDMI seems to have fixed that though and are about as smooth as I could hope for in my room. Those graphs with HDMI were the same cal from Audyssey, so there was obviously something going on with the RCA. The 6300hz only has one RCA intput (on the front I believe anyway) and I was using that (AUX1).
But yes, when I first listened to the Denon it did sound brighter than the Onkyo and still does a little bit. Voices sounded a little more thin and not quite as smooth as on the Onkyo. I don't know if it was those first couple of cals or if I'm just getting used to it, but voices sound just about right to me now. Overall sound is great and is more exciting than the Onkyo 5010 (which I loved), even in straight 7.1, but no contest at all in ATMOS. Atmos freaking kills! I think the overall sound though (not even talking about Atmos), the Denon seems to have more texture to it or something (along with better panning, steering, etc), compared to a little smoother sound of my older Onkyo 5010. Both are pretty aggressive though.
I think it's just a sound signature thing between brands for sure, and maybe even models of the same brand. But speaking of sound signature ---- Denon and Marantz has a new Editor App that seems to be pretty darn cool. I've ran a few cals with it because it can give a LOT of flexibility over the regular Audyssey in the AVR itself. It allows you to do all kinds of stuff post Audy, which is way cool.
But that said (and I don't know this is a bad thing or not, in fact I may actually prefer it), when running Audy with the Editor App, it changes the sound a little bit surprisingly. I kid you not, its a little different sounding. The best I can explain it is, it's a little warmer, maybe a little more forward and less edgy sounding, but still has plenty of texture. Actually overall I think I like it better, but does make the voices sound a bit different as well. I'm still trying to decide if I like that part better or not. I know one thing, its not in the 1000khz and over that's effecting the voices from the editors app . I've messed with cutting off Audyssey's correction at various points all the way from 20000khz down to 1000khz and doesn't seem to be it. I haven't went tried lower yet. Has anyone else experienced this with the Auddyssey Editors App compared to the normal Audyssey in the AVR?
That's just one of many cool features that you can do with the Editor app, is to customize what ever channels you want and wherever you want room correction to apply up too. Example, you could just have Audy correction for your bass only and leave the rest untouched, select MBC on and off, etc.