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I found that looking at the impulse response of the subwoofer only relative to the timing reference on the center channel gave the same distance that I got running measurements at a variety of distances. It is certainly much quicker in that you can quickly know from a measurement how many milliseconds and therefore distance that you are off.
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Can anyone lend me some advice here? Big open room using two Goldenear Triton Ones as left and right speakers. With either Triton individually, I have a 15dB drop between 40-50hz. However, when both are playing back LFE content, there is a huge null at 40hz. Should I just run LFE to one of them since I can't put them in significantly different locations in the room?
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Can anyone lend me some advice here? Big open room using two Goldenear Triton Ones as left and right speakers. With either Triton individually, I have a 15dB drop between 40-50hz. However, when both are playing back LFE content, there is a huge null at 40hz. Should I just run LFE to one of them since I can't put them in significantly different locations in the room?
Any chance you are making your measurements right on the long centerline of the room? Looks like a room mode null to me. Try a measurement a few feet from the centerline and see what happens.

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Can anyone lend me some advice here? Big open room using two Goldenear Triton Ones as left and right speakers. With either Triton individually, I have a 15dB drop between 40-50hz. However, when both are playing back LFE content, there is a huge null at 40hz. Should I just run LFE to one of them since I can't put them in significantly different locations in the room?
Most likely cause is SBIR. How far are your speakers from the front wall?
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Any chance you are making your measurements right on the long centerline of the room? Looks like a room mode null to me. Try a measurement a few feet from the centerline and see what happens.
The main listening position is unfortunately quite centered in the room. You're right, as I now moved the microphone 3' to the right and left and the big null is decreased about 50%. I recall another person noticing a null than runs right down the long axis of his room from screen to back wall. Interestingly, if I move the microphone toward or away from the screen, I get a similar big null that simply changes frequency slightly.

Is this a situation for acoustic wall treatments?

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Most likely cause is SBIR. How far are your speakers from the front wall?
I have the speakers about a foot from the wall. I moved them out about 3' and I think the response curve does improve overall but the null doesn't change.



Going back to look at each sub/speaker individually, my right sub is a mess in the response and the left is better. Since I can't change this room (great room, divorce, etc), perhaps just using the one sub that has a better response and less null is better than trying to run both and living with the mega null.

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The main listening position is unfortunately quite centered in the room. You're right, as I now moved the microphone 3' to the right and left and the big null is decreased about 50%. I recall another person noticing a null than runs right down the long axis of his room from screen to back wall. Interestingly, if I move the microphone toward or away from the screen, I get a similar big null that simply changes frequency slightly.

Is this a situation for acoustic wall treatments?



I have the speakers about a foot from the wall. I moved them out about 3' and I think the response curve does improve overall but the null doesn't change.



Going back to look at each sub/speaker individually, my right sub is a mess in the response and the left is better. Since I can't change this room (great room, divorce, etc), perhaps just using the one sub that has a better response and less null is better than trying to run both and living with the mega null.
Fortunately in my case, my wife's and my MLP is off of the centerline of the room and out of the null. When I first ran the Anthem ARC room correction however, I did my first mic placement on the long centerline of the room and forward of our listening positions which put it close to the other centerline and I had a horrible null at 40 Hz which messed up the whole calibration. Lesson learned and now I measure at or around where people actually sit (I have 2 rows) and avoid anything near the deep nulls, where people don't sit!

Unfortunately 40 Hz is tough to deal with. Acoustic treatment on the walls won't affect 40 Hz. You need bass traps for that and/or repositioning your MLP and/or subwoofers. Where are the 2 subs now? Diagonal corners might help, or 1/4 way along the front wall.

Edit: I see now that you are likely using your main speakers, the Goldenear Triton Ones, for the low bass and they may not be in the best position for even bass response around the room. You might consider adding a subwoofer or two in locations that might help even out the bass response and cancel the null.
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The main listening position is unfortunately quite centered in the room. You're right, as I now moved the microphone 3' to the right and left and the big null is decreased about 50%. I recall another person noticing a null than runs right down the long axis of his room from screen to back wall. Interestingly, if I move the microphone toward or away from the screen, I get a similar big null that simply changes frequency slightly.

Is this a situation for acoustic wall treatments?



I have the speakers about a foot from the wall. I moved them out about 3' and I think the response curve does improve overall but the null doesn't change.



Going back to look at each sub/speaker individually, my right sub is a mess in the response and the left is better. Since I can't change this room (great room, divorce, etc), perhaps just using the one sub that has a better response and less null is better than trying to run both and living with the mega null.
Fortunately in my case, my wife's and my MLP is off of the centerline of the room and out of the null. When I first ran the Anthem ARC room correction however, I did my first mic placement on the long centerline of the room and forward of our listening positions which put it close to the other centerline and I had a horrible null at 40 Hz which messed up the whole calibration. Lesson learned and now I measure at or around where people actually sit (I have 2 rows) and avoid anything near the deep nulls, where people don't sit!

Unfortunately 40 Hz is tough to deal with. Acoustic treatment on the walls won't affect 40 Hz. You need bass traps for that and/or repositioning your MLP and/or subwoofers. Where are the 2 subs now? Diagonal corners might help, or 1/4 way along the front wall.

Edit: I see now that you are likely using your main speakers, the Goldenear Triton Ones, for the low bass and they may not be in the best position for even bass response around the room. You might consider adding a subwoofer or two in locations that might help even out the bass response and cancel the null.

Interesting. I think you’re right about adding subs. Then I can take away sub duty from the Tritons. Looks like I’ll be sitting on one end of the sofa from now on. Also while I know Audyssey is considered crap, it was abysmal when I had the microphone at the MLP. Clearly this null wasn’t helping anything.
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If it was me, I would disconnect the LFE from the main speakers, set them to "Small" and get some really good subs.

Mains with built-in "subs" is always a bad idea when it comes to home theater. Not only can most of them barely be called subs, you are limiting your placement to the main speaker's locations (dictated by best imaging) and that is very rarely the best place in the room for sub response.
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Is this a situation for acoustic wall treatments?
To absorb at 40Hz, the treatment would have to be a few feet thick.
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Since I can't change this room (great room, divorce, etc), perhaps just using the one sub that has a better response and less null is better than trying to run both and living with the mega null.
Can you move one sub to the midpoint of room width and measure it from your main listening position?

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Actually, I would probably keep the subs in the main speakers "on" and add two more subs in the back corners of the room, assuming your front "subs" (part of your L&R speakers) are near the front corners of the room. Maybe it is time for a sketch of your room with the speaker placements/MLP indicated. Sdurani is clearly the expert here and perhaps the sketch can help us all.

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Sorta REW question but also a prepro question. I've started to realize with rew sweeps that my subs are rolling off at 20hz. No matter where I have put them in the room in the past or move the mic it has same rolloff.

I thought it was my mic/sound card since I'm using analog connection.....its Dayton emm6 mic with focusrite 2i2 usb audio interface. So I used it on another friend's system and there is no rolloff at 20hz. So now I know its not my mic/soundcard. I'm guessing its either my prepro (Rotel 1068) since its 2004 model and maybe it rollsoff much steeper than today's prepro?

I used to have axiom audio, svs, psa, and currently funk audio and all showed same rolloff. So I'm guessing it is indeed my prepro. Is there some other way to test in rew without buying new prepro to test the rolloff? While I think it may be the prepro, I want to make sure its not my room. Any ideas?

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So I'm guessing it is indeed my prepro. Is there some other way to test in rew without buying new prepro to test the rolloff? While I think it may be the prepro, I want to make sure its not my room. Any ideas?
You can connect your computer's headphone jack directly to the sub. Just be careful with volume level...
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Sorta REW question but also a prepro question. I've started to realize with rew sweeps that my subs are rolling off at 20hz. No matter where I have put them in the room in the past or move the mic it has same rolloff.

I thought it was my mic/sound card since I'm using analog connection.....its Dayton emm6 mic with focusrite 2i2 usb audio interface. So I used it on another friend's system and there is no rolloff at 20hz. So now I know its not my mic/soundcard. I'm guessing its either my prepro (Rotel 1068) since its 2004 model and maybe it rollsoff much steeper than today's prepro?

I used to have axiom audio, svs, psa, and currently funk audio and all showed same rolloff. So I'm guessing it is indeed my prepro. Is there some other way to test in rew without buying new prepro to test the rolloff? While I think it may be the prepro, I want to make sure its not my room. Any ideas?
You could try a near field measurement where you put the mic very close to one of the subs. That would largely eliminate the room from the response. If the frequency response is still rolling off at 20 Hz, it could be your pre/pro or the actual frequency response of the sub itself. Not many subs get well below 20 Hz.
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Sorta REW question but also a prepro question. I've started to realize with rew sweeps that my subs are rolling off at 20hz. No matter where I have put them in the room in the past or move the mic it has same rolloff.

I thought it was my mic/sound card since I'm using analog connection.....its Dayton emm6 mic with focusrite 2i2 usb audio interface. So I used it on another friend's system and there is no rolloff at 20hz. So now I know its not my mic/soundcard. I'm guessing its either my prepro (Rotel 1068) since its 2004 model and maybe it rollsoff much steeper than today's prepro?

I used to have axiom audio, svs, psa, and currently funk audio and all showed same rolloff. So I'm guessing it is indeed my prepro. Is there some other way to test in rew without buying new prepro to test the rolloff? While I think it may be the prepro, I want to make sure its not my room. Any ideas?
I know that there is a way to measure the LFE pre-out signal directly, but I do not know the procedure. @Nalleh mentioned it recently in this post, maybe ask him how it is done. I know it has something to do with loopback...

If you measure that signal and it is flat, you'll know it's not the AVP.
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Looks like I have no room gain at all...maybe barely between 15 to 20hz. This is probably due to large open layout.

The purple is with mic few inches from driver and it shows natural response that matches databass freq response shape. I spl matched the output due to moving the mic and limit the xover to 100hz just for this test and didn't use my center with the measurement since I'm only concerned below 20hz.

The other 2 are my rotel preoro and integra avr….both show same rolloff so I can now conclude I don't really have any room gain due to large open layout.

But could it be the mic? I highly doubt it since I've took my mic and focusrite to few other avsers house and they all have small sealed rooms and didn't exhibit the 20hz rolloff.
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Did a test to confirm its not the mic. My funk sub has different presets. You will see the top of graph are mic at driver....no eq (natural response of driver) and max extension eq preset on the driver amp. Same on bottom of rew graph shows both presets at mlp location. I see its rolling off quick at 20hz....there for I can conclude its definitely the room gain issue and not the mic or prepro.
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Do you have any other options for sub placement, ereed? Seems like moving the subs or adding more subs are your only options at this point. I really hate to see those Funks get neutered like that.
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Do you have any other options for sub placement, ereed? Seems like moving the subs or adding more subs are your only options at this point. I really hate to see those Funks get neutered like that.
No matter where I put the mic or where I put the sub (can be corners), its the same rolloff no matter what. And I have these nearfield right behind my seating! I have 23x18x9 room. The front of room where screen is has 2 large windows and large sliding door which are covered by curtains and black velvet so the bass just goes right through without bouncing back into the room. Same for rear of room I have large 4 feet wide hallway opening that opens to rest of the house. My seating and where funks are close to the rear side close to hallway. So bass just escapes for most part. I'm also on concrete flooring and do have crowsons which help the TR below 30hz. My previous subs had exact rolloff but I have a lot more pressurization with funks even though it rolled off at 20hz. I can def feel 15 and 10hz easy since its behind seating....but just not enough room gain for pressurization.

Perhaps I could build a temporary door at hallway....just needs to look good and be removable in case we move to another house. As you can see at hallway is my old couch the HT seats just replaced. Its open to above floor as well. On the right side of the room before hallway is the kitchen/dinning.
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Okay lads, I'm getting into REW. I've been reading the guides, watching videos, and seem to have the basics down. The problem is while there are a lot of guides, a lot of them kind of stop after auto-EQ and don't go into much detail about the setup - at least the ones I've read. There is so much out there though, it's hard to say if I've read the right stuff.

Anyways, this is the basic approach I'm taking (open to suggestions):
1. Turn off Audyssey. (DONE)
2. Move subs around running REW until I find the spots with the most uniform response in my seating area. (DONE)
3. Run REW at my best location collecting datapoints. (DONE)
4. Generate REW auto-EQ
5. If it doesn't look too crazy apply that to a MiniDSP
6. Re-run REW to see if these corrected my issues

Now it gets really hazy and I haven't seen any guide on bringing Audyssey into the pictures, just multiple threads/posts talking about how you run it after...

7. Run Audyssey
(question: Is there any way to have Audyssey avoid double EQing my bass after it was already done using REW? Audyssey does seem to kinda neuter the low stuff sometimes. Also if REW cuts something and Audyssey boosts it back up, won't that cause issues?)
8. Run REW again and see what Audyssey did using REW
9. Add in any house curve (I will have Dynamic EQ off)
(question: I seem to run my subs about +5dB hot without DEQ on, I listen at about -15 to -12 on MV so that's my "manual DEQ". I imagine they are smarter than me about how the bass should be, but, a lot of people tell me that Audyssey is pretty aggressive at cutting deep bass that I probably want to keep in? ).
10. Run REW again and confirm everything looks right.
11. Watch a movie

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So I'm at the Auto-EQ part, what settings should I be using? Attached are some screenshots. I searched AVS but there is conflicting answers, from setting the speaker type to none, others saying set it to Subwoofer. The software warns me when I set it to none, so I put it back on subs and just set the low pass high.... It seems to be only EQing down low anyways.

So questions:
1. What settings should I be using for Auto-EQ?
2. It wants to flatten my bass down low where I have some room gain (despite a huge room....figure that out...), Audyssey probably does the same, but if I'm adding a house curve after Audyssey is this going to be a problem? I cut in MiniDSP, then Audyssey does its thing, then I add some back in?
3. Should I manually boost that bit of a null around 50Hz?
4. It's not trying to EQ anything up top, but, isn't my crossover setting of 80Hz on the receiver going to cause a problem? Or since it's just sweeping the LFE am I okay?
5. How are these settings for auto-EQ supposed to be?
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...also I haven't seen this mentioned in any of the guides, but, when doing sub only sweeps should I raise my crossover to like 250Hz? I've been doing it left at 80Hz but I just realized I'd probably be EQing a crossover point measurement otherwise.... I tried it both ways and it does change the upper response to raise the crossover.
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Nobodies around and I'm still trying to truck on so figured I'd lay out what's going on for the next newb like me that does a search.

I ended up EQing the subs using the high crossovers, and did cuts only. With boosts, I could get it tighter, but I read in another thread that most people recommended cuts only. I guess Audyssey will do the boosting. It's looking flatter, as you can see in the couple of sweeps I did compared to the averaged pre-DSP (8 position) sweeps.

Funny thing is it basically just took out the deep bass, which I know Audyssey will do also. So.... not really seeing the benefit of all the effort just yet, but, not giving up.

I think next I'm going to lower the crossovers back where they should be, bypass the MiniDSP EQ, and run some sweeps to get my "pre-MiniDSP" baseline again since the initial one I ran at probably too low of a master volume and probably screwed something else up. So, going to get that baseline, then turn back on the MiniDSP, run Audyssey, check the results with REW... and see where we are at.
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Move subs around running REW until I find the spots with the most uniform response in my seating area. (DONE)
Where did those locations turn out to be relative to the room?
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I haven't seen any guide on bringing Audyssey into the pictures, just multiple threads/posts talking about how you run it after...
I would take the lazy way out and let Audyssey run before. You paid for automated room correction, so might as well let it do most of the work. IF there are any peaks or shallow dips that Audyssey didn't address (or didn't address enough to satisfy you), then you can manually augment Audyssey's work (including adding a target curve that boosts the bass to compensate for removal of peaks and room gain).
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Where did those locations turn out to be relative to the room?
Well, my subs are in my living room so I have some limitations on placement. My biggest limitation is that I can't place one of the subs in the back of the room, because it's open to the kitchen. I have one of those unlimited square feet rooms (probably about 13,000sq.ft of open area, ballpark). I tried the front corners, along the sidewalls, one in the corner, one on the opposite sidewall, and a few other combos. Placing them about 1/3rd across the front wall seems to yield the best results, inbetween the center and L and Rs. Funny thing is that was the last place I tried. As I move the subwoofers forward along the walls I run into a door on one side, but if I keep going I start to get some bad suckout in two spots.

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I would take the lazy way out and let Audyssey run before. You paid for automated room correction, so might as well let it do most of the work. IF there are any peaks or shallow dips that Audyssey didn't address (or didn't address enough to satisfy you), then you can manually augment Audyssey's work (including adding a target curve that boosts the bass to compensate for removal of peaks and room gain).
Man I wish I met you this morning, that's pretty much the conclusion of the day lol. I just got done running Audyssey after applying the EQ curves and...yep, Audyssey on its own did just as well or better. I just made the corrections slighter in some spots. I'm going to remove the EQ from the MiniDSP, set Audyssey back to the previous setting, and then see about adding some tweaking EQ. Live and learn I guess lol (I started messing with this at like 4am this morning, it's now 2pm, and I'm about to set it back to square one haha).
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Placing them about 1/3rd across the front wall seems to yield the best results, inbetween the center and L and Rs.
Keeping both subs at the front wall, can you spread them apart just a little bit so that they centered at the 1/4 and 3/4 points of room width? Measure both subs together, like they're a single sub (i.e., measure their interaction). Measure only the subs (no speakers). BTW, what is the width and height of your room?
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I started messing with this at like 4am this morning, it's now 2pm, and I'm about to set it back to square one haha.
Glad you're keeping a haha attitude about experimenting. Hobbies are supposed to be relaxing, not stressful.
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Keeping both subs at the front wall, can you spread them apart just a little bit so that they centered at the 1/4 and 3/4 points of room width? Measure both subs together, like they're a single sub (i.e., measure their interaction). Measure only the subs (no speakers). BTW, what is the width and height of your room?
I can scoot them over a bit, but eventually I run into my speakers. Right now the left sub is 64" from the left wall (~31% over) and the right sub is 77" from the right wall (~37% over). Ceiling is vaulted, high side is ~12.5ft, low side is ~7.5ft. It's a bare walled open room. I want to get some acoustic panels but in the interest of getting laid want them to be printed art panels, I haven't had the time or allocated the budget to get that done. Still sounds pretty good in here though, especially since adding these bigger subwoofers.

The measurement labelled "Average before Correct" is the two subwoofers with no Audyssey and no MiniDSP correction. It's an average of 8 datapoints pulled the same way Audyssey recommends around the listening position (the grid).

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Cheers, yeah I'm just messing around with it all. This all started because Audyssey, even with the app, is such a black hole of information. So, figured I'd at least be able to see what was going on with Audyssey through REW. Then I went down the MiniDSP rabbit hole.
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I can scoot them over a bit, but eventually I run into my speakers.
Move the speakers out of the way temporarily so you can measure the subs at the quarter points of room width. Can the open doorway on the left be closed when measuring? Instead of posting a spatially averaged measurement, post individual measurements taken from your main listening position and any other seats that are important to you.
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Move the speakers out of the way temporarily so you can measure the subs at the quarter points of room width. Can the open doorway on the left be closed when measuring? Instead of posting a spatially averaged measurement, post individual measurements taken from your main listening position and any other seats that are important to you.
I spent quite a bit of time moving them around on furniture sliders and checking different spots, I didn't try (until now!) exactly 1/4 though because the speakers seemed to do best there, but here it is with the speakers moved to the side:

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Thanx for that. Original placement seems to worsen the null in the high 50s while quarter placement does that between 70 and 80 Hz. One solution would be to minimize the dips in the high 50s and cross over to your speakers at 60Hz, IF your speakers go that low. How wide is your room at the front wall? Is it the same width at the seating location?
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I've recently finished setting up my new dedicated home theater room in my new house. It's only a small room (11.5x10.5 listening area) but it works really well.


Yesterday I sat down with my laptop, UMIK-1, REW and MiniDSP in order to get the sub nicely dialled in, but to my surprise this is what I saw when I ran my initial sweeps:





"That can't be right", I thought. I double checked everything and ran many sweeps at many different volume levels. All the same.


In my previous rooms it's been all over the place and I've had to have a few correction points in the MiniDSP, but with a simple high-Q dip at around 52Hz, this is what I achieved:







Have I won the low-frequency room acoustics lottery?
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Thanx for that. Original placement seems to worsen the null in the high 50s while quarter placement does that between 70 and 80 Hz. One solution would be to minimize the dips in the high 50s and cross over to your speakers at 60Hz, IF your speakers go that low. How wide is your room at the front wall? Is it the same width at the seating location?
Thanks for the help! You know when I was running Audyssey it kept setting my L&R at 60Hz and I kept moving it up to 80Hz lol. I did that because my M&K S-150s are pretty rolled off that low: 82Hz-20kHz, +-2dB (https://www.stereophile.com/content/...specifications), with an 80Hz box tuning and 12dB/octave roll off (https://www.stereophile.com/content/...2-measurements). Maybe I should measure with the crossover set to 60Hz and the crossover set to 80Hz for L&R and see the difference? I listen between -15 and -10 on the master volume, so maybe not too bad, but I wonder if I'd start to see any risk of blowing those woofers operating them lower than designed..or just hearing them stress a bit? Maybe that's something the distortion measurements could tell me. It's a sealed enclosure so certainly safer than ported....

I'm getting ahead of myself, but maybe something to consider in the future is getting some full range towers and crossing over lower...especially since the placement of my speakers happen to be a spot that would blend in that null. Hard to say how really noticeable that dip is, especially since Audyssey helps it out a bit. Plus I just bought subs so probably need to lay off the purchasing for a while.

I think today I'm going to yank the MiniDSP out of the signal chain. Neat little gadget but not of much use to me here. Maybe an excuse to build a little sub-sat bedroom setup or something with it. My Alexa/Echo Dot has an output haha.
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