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post #211 of 372 Old 03-12-2014, 04:06 PM
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And you might be amazed and repelled at the logos that have been forged and mass-produced, and not just by Chinese factories... Counterfeit parts and certs are a huge problem in the electronics and many other industries.

I know about the counterfeiting but I question the statement that UL has gotten lazy with their standards. Especially in light of the fact our society has become ever more litigious on recent years.
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I have no idea if UL is or is not getting lazy, not something I've dealt with in my designs. I was only speaking to the counterfeiting of their logo (among other things). I have spoken with some smaller companies that did not get UL certification due to the cost and time frame they were quoted, but that has no bearing on the thoroughness and adequacy of UL's testing. I don't really know anything about that.

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As said the timing difference is not relevant but you if the difference in length is over 50 feet, you may have some level drop if the wire gauge is marginal. But then the balance control can easily fix that too.

The balance control trick would work only if the load was purely resistive.

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I know about the counterfeiting but I question the statement that UL has gotten lazy with their standards. Especially in light of the fact our society has become ever more litigious on recent years.

I know UL is supposed to test representative samples of listed products , but judging from a lot of listed products I deal with , production variances are getting to be a bigger problem . Not speaking on electronic components because I don't work in electronics , but on the electric side , things are getting more and more sloppy . Couplings that physically can not be fastened to the conduit they are designed for , boxes that are poorly manufactured and smaller than the same "size" from a few years ago , etc.
I just went to the UL website , and they have a page of downloadable UL marks , so theres no need to counterfeit anything , they give approved marks out for free.

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The balance control trick would work only if the load was purely resistive.

Well, that's true in theory as the bulk of the power loss will be in the low frequencies.

Audible in the the highs are accentuated? Could be.
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I just went to the UL website , and they have a page of downloadable UL marks , so theres no need to counterfeit anything , they give approved marks out for free.

But aren't those traced back to a listed product? I guess you could just use them as is because most end consumers don't know what those numbers mean.
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Hey, the speaker wire works great. I get creamy, almost succulent mid riange with rapier sharp highs. The bass is deep and yet never interferes with the smoothness of the mid range. Imaging is almost as if I were at the mixing board myself with a soundstage that covers the entire first floor of my house. All this with a chocolaty raspberry finish. wink.gif
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But aren't those traced back to a listed product? I guess you could just use them as is because most end consumers don't know what those numbers mean.

I'd say most people don't even know that there is supposed to be a number assigned , but I'm sure it would be easy enough to add one to the free to download approved UL marks.

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Hey, the speaker wire works great. I get creamy, almost succulent mid riange with rapier sharp highs. The bass is deep and yet never interferes with the smoothness of the mid range. Imaging is almost as if I were at the mixing board myself with a soundstage that covers the entire first floor of my house. All this with a chocolaty raspberry finish. wink.gif

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We went through this some time ago with an MIT fanboi. They're just zobels, it even shows it quite clearly in the patent (which I'm stuffed if I know how it got awarded).

I have no experience using the MIT cables, but would be interested to see measurements, a frequency response comparison. In any account, the company's marketing abilities are highly enviable!
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Quick update: received the Parts Express cable. It is actually a branded cable from wiredhome.com. While still in state of stupidity, I also ordered 20 feet of Belden in-wall cable I used for comparison earlier in this thread. To get it here faster than the boat from China cost $14 for a $20 order frown.gif. Good news is that it did get here on time and I have it in hand.

Should be able to post the data this weekend.
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Hey, the speaker wire works great. I get creamy, almost succulent mid riange with rapier sharp highs. The bass is deep and yet never interferes with the smoothness of the mid range. Imaging is almost as if I were at the mixing board myself with a soundstage that covers the entire first floor of my house. All this with a chocolaty raspberry finish. wink.gif

Sounds like food can we eat them biggrin.gif
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I tried. They sounded like chocolate raspberries but didn't taste like them. wink.gif
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What did Monoprice do to you that created this obsession? eek.gif

And... the OP hasn't been back to AVS for a week... since his last post.

what did you guys need me to add to the conversation?

 

monoprice stuff rots in the closet and I have the auvio hooked up

 

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what did you guys need me to add to the conversation?
Ummm, because you started the thread????
Sounds like you're done with it though rolleyes.gif
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what did you guys need me to add to the conversation?

Nothing. We're pretty clear on how things are.
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It's actually not rotting more like sitting there. 5 years on mp speaker write no rotting yet 😇

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Ummm, because you started the thread????
Sounds like you're done with it though rolleyes.gif

you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for insults/excuses to hide the thread so your brand gets more income aren't you?

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As said the timing difference is not relevant but you if the difference in length is over 50 feet, you may have some level drop if the wire gauge is marginal. But then the balance control can easily fix that too.

The balance control trick would work only if the load was purely resistive.

But as Glimiie said, the balance control would only be needed if the wire sizing were marginal in the first place. Given the pricing and availability of either pseudo (undersized) or real (not undersized) wire, there's no reason to be marginal in the first place.

The inflated pricing of even mid-end pseudo high end wire (e.g most Monster Cable) is more likely to lead to the use of undersized wire.

All this fretting about wire that is packaged as 12 gauge but is really 13 gauge pales in comparison to much high end speaker cable whose packaging hides the wire's approximate gauge, and/or downsizes it to 16 or 18 gauge for even more money per foot.
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Should be able to post the data this weekend.

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Any updates/status?
Sorry having to deal with a labor dispute. Folks doing the work are complaining that working without pay is unfair. I am trying to convince them otherwise....
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Amir, you tyrant.smile.gif
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Sorry having to deal with a labor dispute. Folks doing the work are complaining that working without pay is unfair. I am trying to convince them otherwise....
I thought you (personally) were performing the test/comparisons.

Anyway, if true, I agree with the "folks". They should get compensated for your "side interests". smile.gif



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I thought you (personally) were performing the test/comparisons.
I am. I have to squeeze the testing between other things I have to get done.

Meanwhile, I bought another sample of 12 gauge wire from Best Buy.
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Amir, you tyrant.smile.gif
Hehe smile.gif. Do you know if there is any legal precedence to sue yourself to get paid at least minimum wage? biggrin.gif
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Wait, you don't have time to test what you have, but you bought more to test? Do you know my boss? smile.gif

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Can't quite decide if that is funny, ironic, or reality...

Probably all of the above. smile.gif

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Wait, you don't have time to test what you have, but you bought more to test?

I thought that the intention was to "prove" Monoprice 12AWG is not 12AWG.
With the proper equipment and tools, that should have been easily accomplished once Amirm had the wire. Now it's turned into.......... dodgeball.

Test/evaluate the Monoprice wire and provide the results. Anything else is good info after the fact.

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