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Measurement-wise, at some point I compared 18AWG to the 2AWG, and there was a rolloff in the highs with the 18 gauge.
Of course.
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Of course why?

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I have no questions about the article. I have no argument against what it says. My point is that it says the opposite of what you think it says. It does not back you up. My issue is with you, not the article.
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Wire wars, is there anything they can't do?
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Wire wars, is there anything they can't do?
End after the opening (baiting) post.
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Of course why?
Because ... you measured it.

Of course there can/will be measurable differences with 18AWG vs 2AWG. And... some may actually 'hear' the differences.

To coin a phrase from another poster: "It depends".

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Then please add me to your ignore list and I will do same. thanks
Sorry, I need to keep your posts front and center.
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Subscribed! Really though, if you feel the need to get "audiophile" cables just pick some up off Craigslist for cheap from some poor sucker who paid full price for them.
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Wow! Audioquest uses Long Grain Copper! Gotta get me some of that!

Here we go again about wire. And here I go again posting.
Yep, those short grain wires are just too noise, too many junctions to cross.
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Monoprice 12g and some bannana fittings and have enough money left over to have dinner catered to you and your wife, in your room, while listening to music or enjoying a movie. Some of the claims those links make! Descriptions like "superior" and "nitrogen assisted hand termination"...Seriously? LOL
Wow, how many folks with an opinion?!

Kimber 8v, sounds great. Also got the Audioquest so at some point I'll swop and see if I can hear a difference using a shielded cable.

Thanks to everyone.
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Wow, how many folks with an opinion?!

Kimber 8v, sounds great. Also got the Audioquest so at some point I'll swop and see if I can hear a difference using a shielded cable.

Thanks to everyone.
Happy to help, enjoy
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Usually... the cables that cost more sound better.
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Usually... the cables that cost more sound better.
Or sometimes the ones with the best reviews sound better.
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Usually... the cables that cost more sound better.
Very true! A friend wanted a decent powered monitor speaker so I looked up the Behringer B3031 so I could see the parts inside. One of the links had a guy that drastically improved his bi-amped speaker by changing the stock 16 AWG cable for ultra-spiffy cable. He claimed his $500 monitors now sounded better than $5K monitors by swapping 5 inches of wire.

Hope that guys knows is warranty is loooooong gone now...

Since the speaker wire debate is done, now to more important things. Power cords, oil capacitors with silver leads, hand wound inductors, point-to-point wiring VS boards and where are the 500 watt tube amps for subwoofers?!

I'm serial!
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Kimber 8v, sounds great. Also got the Audioquest so at some point I'll swop and see if I can hear a difference using a shielded cable.
You may or may not hear a difference and it may or may not have absolutely anything whatsoever to do with the price, "quality" or reputation of the specific cable you are using.
But it is your money, of course, so you can choose to interpret your results any way you desire. Best of luck to you.
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Usually... the cables that cost more sound better.
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Or sometimes the ones with the best reviews sound better.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no, as you both already know. Such are the vagaries of the expectation biasing factors.

The unfortunate thing is that when believing audiophiles don't hear a difference, they then interpret this result to mean that they are "objective", and thus, can depend upon their own discerning judgements for when they DO hear a difference.

A treacherous trap that many of the cable believers fall into.

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I sleep well every night and still enjoying my green 25+ year old 14AWG speaker wires every day.
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Wow, how many folks with an opinion?!

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Thanks to everyone.
I thought you came here for opinions, no?
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Here we go again...
I'll never understand why moderation allows it.

To the OP, I use Audioquest. Never had a problem. Of course, I never had a problem with any speaker wire I used.

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I'll swop and see if I can hear a difference using a shielded cable.
What are you going to connect the shield to?
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What are you going to connect the shield to?
Speaker cables should never be shielded. There's no benefit to it, speaker cables are immune to noise pickup, while the higher capacitance that's created by shielding can attenuate high frequency response.
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Speaker cables should never be shielded. There's no benefit to it,
I know, the circuit impedance is so low it's virtually impossible to induce any noise into it.
Most people don't understand impedance though, or the function of an electrostatic shield on high impedance circuits.
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Most people don't understand impedance though, or the function of an electrostatic shield on high impedance circuits.
Most people don't understand any of the principles of audio reproduction. It's what keeps cable crooks in business.
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