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Center Channel inside a fireplace

I'm stuck with an dilemma in my new town house in that a fireplace is where I'd like my HT to be.
Hears a picture showing that the TV would be too high with the center channel in a typical mantle position.
The best I can do to bring my TV down to a halfway decent height is to put my center channel literally inside my (nonworking) fireplace. I thought I'd construct a way to hang it at the top within the fireplace cavity.
Question is If it's place at the front of the cavity, would you expect to hear any audible impact?


The picture shows Black - the TV too high with center channel. Orange - Putting TV as low as possible with center channel Inside the fireplace cavity.

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Works for me. Better to have the TV lower. Hide those long matches though.

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You could also mount the center above the TV as well. Just angle it down a bit towards your head if possible. There's users who do this to get the sound as close to where the actors heads are for dialogue.

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I'm stuck with an dilemma in my new town house in that a fireplace is where I'd like my HT to be.

Hears a picture showing that the TV would be too high with the center channel in a typical mantle position.

The best I can do to bring my TV down to a halfway decent height is to put my center channel literally inside my (nonworking) fireplace. I thought I'd construct a way to hang it at the top within the fireplace cavity.

Question is If it's place at the front of the cavity, would you expect to hear any audible impact?





The picture shows Black - the TV too high with center channel. Orange - Putting TV as low as possible with center channel Inside the fireplace cavity.



Thanks
If the fireplace is truly not workable, the way you have drawn the yellow marks looks the best aesthetically and sonically. But if at all possible, I would love to have a working fireplace. In that case, moving the TV a bit higher will be the most aesthetically and sonically pleasing. It will be only a few inches higher (try to get a thin center speaker) and may not change the viewing angle too much depending in how far from the TV you sit.

Hope it helps.
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Thanks all for the feedback and suggestions. The fireplace would need to be relined and I'd be afraid to have the TV above it anyway because of heat. I think I'll try the orange height and hope my neck adapts!

I'm thinking of hanging the center channel at the face of the fireplace hole. I believe the easiest way to do it is wire looped on each end. I assume it would be hard to see the wire or fish line, but I wonder if a speaker that is not firmly on a shelf would have any big audio impact. Doubt it but if anyone has a strong feeling on it like to hear.

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The best I can do to bring my TV down to a halfway decent height is to put my center channel literally inside my (nonworking) fireplace. I thought I'd construct a way to hang it at the top within the fireplace cavity.
Question is If it's place at the front of the cavity, would you expect to hear any audible impact? Orange - Putting TV as low as possible with center channel Inside the fireplace cavity.
I think it will work as long as you bring the center's face up to the front and don't tuck it into the fireplace. The large hole/cavity below it may not be ideal but maybe you could fill the hole with a box? Maybe a subwoofer?

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put my center channel literally inside my (nonworking) fireplace.

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I know some like to run the center a little hot but this is taking it to the next level.

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is there room for a 12" /15" /18" Sub / MBM that just may also be a good shelf for the CC

what are the dimensions of the cavity there?

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If center or sub are ported the fireplace may act as a horn and give some unwanted effects.
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If the fireplace is truly not workable, the way you have drawn the yellow marks looks the best aesthetically and sonically. But if at all possible, I would love to have a working fireplace. In that case, moving the TV a bit higher will be the most aesthetically and sonically pleasing. It will be only a few inches higher (try to get a thin center speaker) and may not change the viewing angle too much depending in how far from the TV you sit.

Hope it helps.
On second thought, I really think that putting the center channel in the fire place will look odd and unpleasing to the eye.

So placing a thin center channel above the fireplace and then the TV above that is the only solution that may work and may be aesthetically pleasing.

By the way, I also have my TV above a working fireplace for the last 10 years and never felt TV to be warm .
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I demoed my mantle and installed a horizontal 1099. Sounds Amazing, and believe it or not the gas fireplace does not even warm up the bottom of the LCD.

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My preference would be:
- to lower the TV down to the mantle-top; and
- empty out the fireplace and put a nice CC speaker stand (with CC speaker on top) just outside of the opening.
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Why wouldn't one of the low-profile centers work between the mantle and the TV?

My sister-in-law has the TV directly above a working fireplace that is used often and there is no heat issue at all.

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I demoed my mantle and installed a horizontal 1099. Sounds Amazing, and believe it or not the gas fireplace does not even warm up the bottom of the LCD.

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Looks great. What are the two white elements on the two sides of the fireplace. Speakers?
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Another option:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_893R22...ck.html?tp=189

Or:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265C10...ck.html?tp=189

One more:

https://www.definitivetechnology.com...s/mythos-seven
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Looks great. What are the two white elements on the two sides of the fireplace. Speakers?
The LR mates to the Center 1099. They are toed-in and up just a bit.

The horizontal placement is not generally accepted by audiophiles, so I was very lucky to have help from Erich and Michael Hurd on final LCR guidance.

In combination, they all sound phenomenal seated anywhere.




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I'm stuck with an dilemma in my new town house in that a fireplace is where I'd like my HT to be.
Hears a picture showing that the TV would be too high with the center channel in a typical mantle position.
The best I can do to bring my TV down to a halfway decent height is to put my center channel literally inside my (nonworking) fireplace. I thought I'd construct a way to hang it at the top within the fireplace cavity.
Question is If it's place at the front of the cavity, would you expect to hear any audible impact?


The picture shows Black - the TV too high with center channel. Orange - Putting TV as low as possible with center channel Inside the fireplace cavity.

Thanks

...I wonder what the center channel speaker would sound like if you mounted it all of the way up to the top of the chimney, pointing down?

There’s a lot of good ideas from others, but...
This is what I would do:
The goal is to get the tweeters from all three front speakers in line.
First I would fill the fireplace in with some sort of blanket insulation or whatever, or room treatments. There’s several benefits here.
It would be interesting to see if you can hear audio from outside...neighbors? hehe
Next I would find a TV stand and push it back to the fireplace opening, where the TV and the front speakers can be level with each other.
Most people tend to mount their TV’s too high. You have the opportunity to have the screen more at eye level now.
Just get creative as to what type of TV stand.
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How about a fake fireplace which when you power on the TV it flips around and exposes the center speaker? I bet they exist. I'll go look. . . .

Hmm.

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