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Can you biwire to receiver using banana plug and bare wire to same terminal.

Sorry if this all seems odd but Im completely new to this biwire concept. Would like to biwire my new Martin Logan motion m40 that have biwire setup.Is it possible to connect one of wires using banana plug into the receiver terminal and at the same time connect a second bare wire to the same terminal in the traditional way wrapping wire around terminal and twisting down the knob?

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Sorry if this all seems odd but Im completely new to this biwire concept. Would like to biwire my new Martin Logan motion m40 that have biwire setup.Is it possible to connect one of wires using banana plug into the receiver terminal and at the same time connect a second bare wire to the same terminal in the traditional way wrapping wire around terminal and twisting down the knob?
Sure you can, but why? You aren't going to gain any audible improvement with this suggested setup.
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Sure you can, but why? You aren't going to gain any audible improvement with this suggested setup.
Owners of the Martin Logan m40 replied that because the speaker is 4 ohms and I'm going to be using the Yamaha 681 receiver, it would prevent the speaker from going into protection mode and shutting down since the Yamaha is an 8 ohm speaker. I have also heard that biwiring doesn't help the sound so this idea of the receiver playing better with 4 ohm speakers is new to me but if it works I would give it a try.

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Owners of the Martin Logan m40 replied that because the speaker is 4 ohms and I'm going to be using the Yamaha 681 receiver, it would prevent the speaker from going into protection mode and shutting down since the Yamaha is an 8 ohm speaker. I have also heard that biwiring doesn't help the sound so this idea of the receiver playing better with 4 ohm speakers is new to me but if it works I would give it a try.
The receiver still sees the same load. Why and how would it prevent a shut down?
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Use one heavier gauge speaker wire to sooth your concern(s).
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Bi-wiring should never be undertaken by anyone, ever.

It's a classic example of the placebo effect (expectation bias). If you fall for a sales pitch that something sounds better you will hear it as "better", unless you do a blind test which suddenly makes the improvement vanish.
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The only difference between bi wiring and normal is using twice as much wire. Great for the wire seller who charges you $100/ft because now they make $200/ft instead so they will promote excess use of their product. (And I'm sure if you ask, tri-wiring and quad-wiring must be even better).
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It won’t make a difference as far as the load the Yamaha sees, but I had some 4-ohm speakers once that definitely sounded better when I upgraded from some super-skinny wire to 14 ga. So at least some 4-ohm speakers can audibly benefit from heavier-gauge wire. As long as you have some decent wire, 14 ga. wire, or even better, 12 ga., there’s no need to biwire.

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I personally wouldn't call 14 AWG "supper skinny" and have used even thinner for short runs; it all depends on the distance of the run and the impedance load.
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Since there's nothing glamorous about it, many speaker wire makers have resorted to selling wire based on appeals to machismo and tapping into internal FUD. This is also the go-to technique for many brands of receivers/power amps:

"Are you sure you have enough power? Think how embarrassing it would be if an audiophile friend came to visit and heard clipping on the musical peaks which elude your perception. . . . Let's walk over here and consider which of our cable elevators might best protect your important investment. Right this way, sir. . ."

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I... 4-ohm speakers once that definitely sounded better when I upgraded from some super-skinny wire to 14 ga. So at least some 4-ohm speakers can audibly benefit from heavier-gauge wire. As long as you have some decent wire, 14 ga. wire, or even better, 12 ga., there’s no need to biwire.

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I personally wouldn't call 14 AWG "supper skinny" and have used even thinner for short runs; it all depends on the distance of the run and the impedance load.
He didn't.
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OOps . Sorry Wayne. My bad.

Me no coffee today.
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