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I found ACTUAL Snake Oil...

https://www.whathifi.com/news/chord-...ignal-transfer

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Us this the same Chord company that makes DACs? https://chordelectronics.co.uk/product-type/dacs/
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This says it all (If it's in quotes it must be true.)Sign me up.

“significantly outperforming” the untreated versions built at the same time.

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Us this the same Chord company that makes DACs? https://chordelectronics.co.uk/product-type/dacs/
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This says it all (If it's in quotes it must be true.)Sign me up.

“significantly outperforming” the untreated versions built at the same time.
This is one of those things that may be true, but irrelevant. A treated cord might be able to push more power through because of the greater contact spot, but it will be irrelevant because the contact being made with an untreated cord will be more than enough to get the job done.

In other words, might be able to push more power, but who cares, you are already getting as good as it's going to get for sound quality.

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Wow, just freaking wow! I pray no one is going for this BS but they probably are. This truly is snake oil.
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Love the British comments. ****e. I can ****e here, correct?
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No, two different companies.


The snake oil in this post comes from The Chord Company. The DACs come from Chord Electronics.
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This is one of those things that may be true, but irrelevant. A treated cord might be able to push more power through because of the greater contact spot, but it will be irrelevant because the contact being made with an untreated cord will be more than enough to get the job done.



In other words, might be able to push more power, but who cares, you are already getting as good as it's going to get for sound quality.
And that's where they ride that line between some of their claims being measurable but not audible and others being unmessureable yet only audible through the power of suggestion. They get the true believers on both sides coming and going. Most of them with hearing loss of one sort or another but they can always hear those sparkles coming through the connectors.

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No, two different companies.


The snake oil in this post comes from The Chord Company. The DACs come from Chord Electronics.
Thanks for clearing that up...I wasn't sure.

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Pfft. Snake Oil. Nothing, I say, NOTHING beats Altmann's Tube-O-Later Laquer to improve the sound of your audio components. NOTHING!
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Nice way to provide free adverts to those vendors/websites.



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Nice way to provide free adverts to those vendors/websites.
I think it's pretty clear those websites are being mocked.
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I bought 1 imperial gal. of this product and drop it directly on the top of my AVR...man what a difference it made! Bass more present, walls desappeared, mid fr got warmer, treble more crisp, closing my eyes and I am IN a concert hall.

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I bought 1 imperial gal. of this product and drop it directly on the top of my AVR...man what a difference it made! Bass more present, walls desappeared, mid fr got warmer, treble more crisp, closing my eyes and I am IN a concert hall.
Are you sure you didn't drink it?

Just think what it will do for(to) the connections between your ears, brain and heart!
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So how does it not work? If it improves conductivity, then it must be conductive. But wouldn't painting a conductive liquid in a connector basically short it out? I mean, I suppose by burning out all your equipment (and your house - you painted your power cables and outlets too, right?) you get to hear silence like never before.
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I think it's pretty clear those websites are being mocked.
Well yeah.

It's still clicks and redirects that help the shady retailers with views to entice a curious audiophile to the checkout page.


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Mini scams are often used to find suckers for major scams. People gullible to buy this stuff have their names, emails, etc. sold to bigger scammers because they are considered easy marks.

You know those $5 palm readers at your local county fair? Seems innocent enough, right? Wrong. These are (sometimes) scouts. If you can sit down and talk with a person for a few minutes you can assess if they are susceptible to bigger scams and also get a rough feeling for their wealth by asking key questions like "Are you a home owner?" and "How frequently do you travel and where to?". Under the ruse of getting some "free" offer their emails are collected and then sold as lists to the big con people.
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Mini scams are often used to find suckers for major scams. People gullible to buy this stuff have their names, emails, etc. sold to bigger scammers because they are considered easy marks.

You know those $5 palm readers at your local county fair? Seems innocent enough, right? Wrong. These are (sometimes) scouts. If you can sit down and talk with a person for a few minutes you can assess if they are susceptible to bigger scams and also get a rough feeling for their wealth by asking key questions like "Are you a home owner?" and "How frequently do you travel and where to?". Under the ruse of getting some "free" offer their emails are collected and then sold as lists to the big con people.
Unfortunately I know this to be true. Back in high school, I worked for a telemarketing company nights after classes. This was before cell phones and the internet. They sponsored the Sheriffs rodeo, Policemans concerts and so on. I think maybe 10% actually went to the charity. We had boxes of cards of people that would give to ANYTHING. They were called "Taps". The owners would copy those names/numbers and sell them to other telemarketing companies by the box full. Same principle back then, just a lot more work. I did it for about a year. Couldn't live with the guilt after I realized what was going on.
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I would like to know by what criteria does josh6113 determine this product to be snake oil.

And more importantly, if there are some audiophiles who eventually come forth sincerely claiming that this product made an audible difference to them, would that be enough to eliminate his skepticism about this product being, "snake oil"?
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I would like to know by what criteria does josh6113 determine this product to be snake oil.
What criteria do you (or anyone else) use to determine it isn't?


IMHO. This is just another thread to give some an opportunity to liven up the forum with thread topics that typically induce bickering.



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What criteria do you (or anyone else) use to determine it isn't?


IMHO. This is just another thread to give some an opportunity to liven up the forum with thread topics that typically induce bickering.
No....just a sad truth...agree?

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“significantly outperforming” the untreated versions built at the same time.
So it must be measurable. Where is it?
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Just think what it will do for(to) the connections between your ears, brain and heart!
For that you may need to fill from the top of the head, perhaps a small hole?
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I think the contact resistance the manufacturer is most interested in reducing is the one between the mark's the buyer's fingers and their wallet.
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Interestingly the application of the fluid to the device generates a faint sound if you hold your ear close to it: cha-ching
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So it must be measurable. Where is it?
They measure it in dollars spent by the rubes falling fo this kind of junk.

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No....just a sad truth...agree?
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