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View Poll Results: What Colors Do You Perceive This Dress To Be?
Blue with black trim 251 31.93%
White with gold trim 397 50.51%
Something else 74 9.41%
My perception switches over time 64 8.14%
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1. Left: White with gold (light brown) trim.
2. Center: Very light blue tint with gold (light brown) trim.
3. Right: Blue (royal) with black trim.

* Anyone else sees differently?

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Blue and gold here also. Looks like we're in the minority.
I also see Blue with Gold trim.
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I'm seeing a freak-show ugly dress.
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A while back (2-3 years ago?) there was this visual tester when you could arrange color tiles in order to test your visual acuity, it was posted here on AVS but I can't find it.

Would be interesting to re-take that test now with this recent awareness of color perception.

If someone could post that link here I'd appreciate it.

edit - found it, http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77&lang=en

and this http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/how-...quizzes-178758

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Here is what a pro says about it:
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Here's what the text in that embedded tweet says:

"Your eyes have retinas, the things that let you interpret color. There's rods, round things, and cones that stick out, which is what gives your eye a textured appearance in the colored part. The "cones" see color. The "rods" see shade, like black, white and grey. Cones only work when enough light passes through. So while I see the fabric as white, someone else may see it as blue because my cones aren't responding to the dim lighting. My rods see it as a shade (white).

There's three cones: small, medium and large. They are blue sensitive, green sensitive, and red sensitive.

As for the black bit (which I see as gold), it's called additive mixing. Blue, green and red are the main colors for additive mixing. This is where it gets really tricky. Subtractive mixing, such as with paint, means the more colors you add the murkier it gets until its black. ADDITIVE mixing, when you add the three colors the eyes see best, red, green and blue, (not to be confused with primary colors red, blue and yellow) it makes pure white.

Blue and Black: In conclusion, your retina's cones are more high functioning, and this results in your eyes doing subtractive mixing.

White and Gold: our eyes don't work well in dim light so our retinas rods see white, and this makes them less light sensitive, causing additive mixing, (that of green and red), to make gold."

And this user says he turned his phone's brightness from low to high and saw the colors switching.

So give that a shot, maybe.
Those who see White and Gold should color grade, paint, or any activity that demands color accuracy, work in a well lit environment (and brighter displays) to see the real color.
Those who see Blue and Black you'll do well in any condition.

Good scientific reason and I'm done with this thread.


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Check your Cones with this test by x-rite: TEST
I scored 4 (place errors) which is prefect.
And the dress is black and blue.

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1. Left: White with gold (light brown) trim.
2. Center: Very light blue tint with gold (light brown) trim.
3. Right: Blue (royal) with black trim.

* Anyone else sees differently?
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Here is what a pro says about it:
Those who see White and Gold should color grade, paint, or any activity that demands color accuracy, work in a well lit environment (and brighter displays) to see the real color.
Those who see Blue and Black you'll do well in any condition.

Good scientific reason and I'm done with this thread.
Sir, could you please tell me what you see in the above picture?

I just want to know which one of you or me, needs a root canal.
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March has been declared:

Official What Colors Do You See In The Dress Month!
Nope; DTS:X is going to wash all that out.
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Sir, could you please tell me what you see in the above picture?

I just want to know which one of you or me, needs a root canal.
Left is brown gold with pale blue like this forum page background.
Center Original, definitely Black (darker brown gold) and Blue.
Right ... White and Gold..... root canal.

Take the test I've posted.

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1. Left: White with gold (light brown) trim.
2. Center: Very light blue tint with gold (light brown) trim.
3. Right: Blue (royal) with black trim.

* Anyone else sees differently?
1. Left: very light blue (close to Periwinkle) and bronze with gold highlights
2. Middle: medium light blue (close to cornflower) and dark gray with bronze highlights
3. Deep blue (royal blue) and black with very dark yellowish gray highlights
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I disagree.
I know what you're saying, I really do, but I think you over estimate people in general to think everyone is answering it in the way you are. I think many people (I have seen it first hand) are answering a different question. We will have to agree to disagree.

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A great number of people (including myself) have reported seeing the image as a white dress with gold trim. (In my own case I do see a slight blue tinge but the tinge is so slight I am comfortable calling the colour white.)
On a totally different note - when people are answering as you are - that is fascinating. That different people really do see different things on the screen. I don't mean that facetiously, it really is.
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Why is blue and gold not an option?
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I see it as a lighter shade of blue with gold trim.
Agreeed & agreed.

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That would fall under the poll option "Something else".
Sure, and that would be correct, but I think if it were an option in the original poll you'd see some different answers.
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Left is brown gold with pale blue like this forum page background.
Center Original, definitely Black (darker brown gold) and Blue.
Right ... White and Gold..... root canal.

Take the test I've posted.
You're taking me for a ride!

Left, you are right, but center and right you are "different". ...I'm gone for a root canal now; seriously so too.
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Check your Cones with this test by x-rite: TEST
I scored 4 (place errors) which is prefect.
And the dress is black and blue.
This is a very cool test; I scored 57 ... but I did it quick.

My score is not "prefect" like yours but @ least I didn't make a typo.

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1. Left: very light blue (close to Periwinkle) and bronze with gold highlights
2. Middle: medium light blue (close to cornflower) and dark gray with bronze highlights
3. Deep blue (royal blue) and black with very dark yellowish gray highlights
Ok, you see about 91.85% of what I see. ...I consider you a "normal" person; more exactly with a good normal vision.

P.S. Did you wear sunglasses when you posted your results?
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I looks like a white and gold at the top of the dress, but with a blue light shining on it in the middle and down, which makes it look more blue, but I sure don't see any black. And the gold itself even looks more of a mustard color than a pure gold. I would have to go with the white and gold crowd though.

This is a good thing to discuss now that we are in the midst of REC 2020. Is this maybe the first example of Metamerism?
Observer metamerism occurs due to differences in the spectral sensitivity of photoreceptors. That is not the cause here. The shifting appearance of the dress is a perceptual effect induced by color constancy failure when viewing a poorly exposed photograph.

http://www.rit.edu/news/story.php?id=51266
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White with gold trim is all I see with the white having a push towards blue. Im referring to the first pic at beginning of thread. Pics above i see the black and blue in the right one.

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But who's in the dress? And does she look good in it?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0302134235.htm

The other issue to take into account - what ages are people seeing what colours? I'm going on 70 - White and Gold.

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White with gold trim is all I see with the white having a push towards blue. Im referring to the first pic at beginning of thread. Pics above i see the black and blue in the right one.
Ignoring the third photo in the three side-by-side images, can you distinguish between the colors in the first and second photos or do they look identical to you? To me, there is as much difference between the colors in the first and second photos as there is between the colors in the second and third photos.
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@James Freeman , you're clearly observing the pics in a different color space than many of us. Maybe we should post our settings.
I'm using Windows and sRGB color space.
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Amazingly, some people see this dress as blue with black trim, while others see it as white with gold trim. How about you?

Last week, an interesting meme went viral across the Internet. A woman whose Tumblr screen name is swiked posted a photo of a dress and wrote, "guys please help me - is this dress white and gold, or blue and black? Me and my friends can't agree and we are freaking the f**k out." Despite her poor grammar and coarse language, her question is a fascinating one for those of us concerned with color perception, which includes all AVS members with even a passing interest in video.

It seems that different people see very different colors when they look at this particular photo—some see a blue dress with black trim, while others see a white dress with gold trim. How can this be? It is well known that the human visual system includes many processing steps that can vary between individuals, but I would have thought that differences in the perception of a given stimulus would be subtle, not as wildly different as in this particular example.

Since the photo first appeared, several explanations of this strange phenomenon have been posted; for example, see the articles on Wired.com and Slate.com. Basically, it seems to come down to the way the dress is illuminated in the photo, or alternatively, how the photo is white-balanced. Our brain determines—or, perhaps more accurately, guesses—the color of the light illuminating the object we are looking at. Using that information, the brain determines the color of the object, which becomes our conscious perception.

In this case, the color of the illumination (or the white balance of the photo) happens to be on a cognitive boundary where the brain can come to one of two very different conclusions about the color of the dress. Even more interesting, some people see it both ways, switching between them at different times.

The photo at the top of this thread is taken directly from swiked's Tumblr post, copied and repeated to end up with a horizontally oriented image. Do you see a blue dress with black trim, a white dress with gold trim, or something else? Or do you see it differently at different times?

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I see it as Blue with Gold trim.
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When my local news station showed it on tv I saw black and blue and now I'm seeing white and gold here.

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I took the pic Scott posted and only boosted the contrast a bit, results below.

If you have the contrast turned up on your screen you see blue and black.
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It changed on me. This morning with indirect sunlight in my room it was blue and black. Tonight with the LV lamps on, it looks gold and black.
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The reason why many people on here are seeing blue and gold or maybe even white and gold (when the dress is actually blue and black) is due to a white balance issue. This is an example of a camera probably being set to a daylight (5500K) or possibly even cloudy (6000-6500K depending on camera) setting while taking a picture of the dress probably in a tungsten-lit room. Tungsten is a much cooler light (3000K).

"Cooler" light on the Kelvin Scale is going to appear more yellow to the human eye (think street lights, 2500K usually). Since our interpretation of color is based on how our eyes/brain perceive light reflected from a surface (and correct for light temperature), even if someone was viewing this dress in a store, the blacks might not look truly black on a dress even in person, but due to the way the eyes/brain work, it would not be perceived as white/gold.

When you correct the white balance issue (by correcting for the color of the lights in the background to make them appear white, aka correct white balance), the dress is clearly blue and black. See my attached examples of correct vs incorrect white balance (manipulated in photoshop) and the effect on dress color. I've also attached a handy little kelvin chart. Enjoy!

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I took the pic Scott posted and only boosted the contrast a bit, results below.

If you have the contrast turned up on your screen you see blue and black.
That's it! ...Mystery solved. ...I knew I was right when I said that a bunch of people needed a good calibration.
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That's it! ...Mystery solved. ...I knew I was right when I said that a bunch of people needed a good calibration.
The reason why boosting contrast solves this problem is because it compresses the tonal ranges between white and black, therefore somewhat correcting the white balance issue here (since the white balance is not significantly off).

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Creepy my wife saw the dress and at first she saw blue and black but after few minutes I scroll the page to show just the brighter part on the top she freakout and she started to see the dress gold and white and she ask me if this is a different picture I told her is the same picture,she insisted that I change the picture she was seeing white and gold ,then after few minutes I scroll the page showing the blue bottom of the dress and she saw back the dress blue and black.


she is still seeing white and gold when I slowly scroll down from the brighter part of the dress and blue and black when I slowly scroll from bottom to top.

I see blue and black no matter if I scroll up and down.

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I scored 4 (place errors) which is prefect.
And the dress is black and blue.
I also scored 4. I see gold and white.
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