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Congratulations on August-2015 HToM, your room looks amazing, including a mighty Huge screen!
and holy smokes that's a big room also, now it's clear why you have such a big screen
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I'm trying to see a plan view to grasp your layout better, can you post it here?

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tony congrats on HTOM. This is an amazing dedicated theater and I have had the pleasure experiencing it. Completely immersive in everyway. Excellent decision quality and execution. OCD can be a pain but it sure does pay off too! . Now when can I bring my NIN blu ray over. I missed that concert but this is my chance to go back in time!

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Very nice man! Congrats and great job!
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@SOWK , nice setup and congratulations!

A question for you...

Have you tried putting the using the wide speaker placement as your LR speakers, and perhaps using that current LR placement for something else (midpoints between center and LR for object audio only, rears, etc)?

Because the JTR 212s are capable of such focused imaging, I found I much preferred wide LR placement over using synthetic wide channels.

Although this doesn't provide room from the side walls to let the speaker "breathe," I have found that placing 212s against a wall with sufficient toe in gives equal if not better results, after EQ. It's just the middle ground that is problematic.

YMMV.
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WOW! WOW!

This is why I need 3 Jobs!

Amazing..Build..

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Great build - glad to see you using Frank's great work in Signal Cables - a true gentleman and quality craftsman in the world of name brand snake oil cable makers!
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@SOWK , nice setup and congratulations!

A question for you...

Have you tried putting the using the wide speaker placement as your LR speakers, and perhaps using that current LR placement for something else (midpoints between center and LR for object audio only, rears, etc)?

Because the JTR 212s are capable of such focused imaging, I found I much preferred wide LR placement over using synthetic wide channels.

Although this doesn't provide room from the side walls to let the speaker "breathe," I have found that placing 212s against a wall with sufficient toe in gives equal if not better results, after EQ. It's just the middle ground that is problematic.

YMMV.
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Perfectly fine build, but I would warn folks copying this concept. The "all black" is something many have done and have regretted. If you only use the room for movies and don't otherwise spend much time in the room, it will work great. If you like to hang out or listen to music for extended time frames, the black can make you very sleepy...

Also, without ultraviolet rays from sunlight, home theaters will run the risk of smelling musty from the inevitable bacterial and fungal overgrowth that can occur.

My motivation for the all black build in my last house was to get the "best picture and contrast possible while reducing all other distracting reflections". The black build will definitely accomplish this and is the least expensive way to accomplish this goal. Putting in windows, motorized shades, and having additional acoustic concerns that have to corrected is ... expensive.

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I forgot to add that I think it's a really cool build And good choice of equipment as well! With all those room treatments I bet it sounds great! It's probably the main reason your speakers are "aloud" to image as well as they do. Good speakers become amazing in a good room. I've tested my own speakers in many rooms and it's astonishing how much better the imaging is in a proper room. I'm also thinking about moving from my Panasonic plasma to a Sony Projector. I have been thinking about the Sony HW-40 or the HW-55. I haven't been able to see them side by side but the HW-40 looked very good when I saw it. Have you compared the HW-40 and HW-55? Since you have a black room it would be intersting to hear how big the difference is(my room will soon also be a batcave).
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My kind of home cinema. Very nice. Mine is quite similar except I use a 16:9 screen.
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HTOTM's are my favorite thing to browse and read. Thank you for sharing this on the FP, worthy goals to aspire to in many of our own HT's!! Congrats on a beautiful setup!
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I forgot to add that I think it's a really cool build And good choice of equipment as well! With all those room treatments I bet it sounds great! It's probably the main reason your speakers are "aloud" to image as well as they do. Good speakers become amazing in a good room. I've tested my own speakers in many rooms and it's astonishing how much better the imaging is in a proper room. I'm also thinking about moving from my Panasonic plasma to a Sony Projector. I have been thinking about the Sony HW-40 or the HW-55. I haven't been able to see them side by side but the HW-40 looked very good when I saw it. Have you compared the HW-40 and HW-55? Since you have a black room it would be intersting to hear how big the difference is(my room will soon also be a batcave).


I have seen both the HW-55 and the HW-40 in my room.


Because I am planning on going 4K soon"ish" I feel the 55 was not worth the increased cost over the 40, as I use it as a temporary projector in the interim.


For me the differences lead it self to black levels and slightly more POP in very dark scenes on the 55. But the 40 is good enough with no iris to not take you away from the experience of watching the movie and calling attention to itself.


Only you can decide if it is worth the extra money. You are 100% at the limit of diminishing returns with the 40ES though.

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@SOWK, nice setup and congratulations!

A question for you...

Have you tried putting the using the wide speaker placement as your LR speakers, and perhaps using that current LR placement for something else (midpoints between center and LR for object audio only, rears, etc)?

Because the JTR 212s are capable of such focused imaging, I found I much preferred wide LR placement over using synthetic wide channels.

Although this doesn't provide room from the side walls to let the speaker "breathe," I have found that placing 212s against a wall with sufficient toe in gives equal if not better results, after EQ. It's just the middle ground that is problematic.

YMMV.

I have not tried that yet, but would be easy to do if I wanted to just plug in the current wide's (2015 212HT's) into the power amps speaker terminals for the left and right channel.

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I have not tried that yet, but would be easy to do if I wanted to just plug in the current wide's (2015 212HT's) into the power amps speaker terminals for the left and right channel.
That would be an interesting test.
I found I had to toe them in more for the imaging to really lock in, but YMMV.
Also, you might run into trouble using room EQ meant for a different speaker and placement, if you don't re-run room EQ. :\
Of course, using the HTRs would be ideal, but the HTs should at least give you an idea of whether you like the wider soundstage without "wide" processing, which IMO detracts from the soundstage.

In fact, I personally dislike any matrix mixing that involves the LCR signals. I feel like they all sacrifice clarity and imaging where it is most critical.
Wide placement doesn't have these problems.
Incidentally, object based audio is also free from needing to do any matrix mixing of LCR signals.
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That would be an interesting test.
I found I had to toe them in more for the imaging to really lock in, but YMMV.
Also, you might run into trouble using room EQ meant for a different speaker and placement, if you don't re-run room EQ. :\
Of course, using the HTRs would be ideal, but the HTs should at least give you an idea of whether you like the wider soundstage without "wide" processing, which IMO detracts from the soundstage.

In fact, I personally dislike any matrix mixing that involves the LCR signals. I feel like they all sacrifice clarity and imaging where it is most critical.
Wide placement doesn't have these problems.
Incidentally, object based audio is also free from needing to do any matrix mixing of LCR signals.
As anyone that knows me, knows the 212HT's are currently just for show until 9.2.4 DTS:X & 9.2.4 Atmos are in my theater.

AKA they are off, but ready for the future. I do not like the matrixed sound out of wide channels either.

In fact, AVS member Lbrown can tell you I had a small discussion at my mini GTG about it two Saturdays ago and why I don't use "wides" currently.

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I have seen both the HW-55 and the HW-40 in my room.


Because I am planning on going 4K soon"ish" I feel the 55 was not worth the increased cost over the 40, as I use it as a temporary projector in the interim.


For me the differences lead it self to black levels and slightly more POP in very dark scenes on the 55. But the 40 is good enough with no iris to not take you away from the experience of watching the movie and calling attention to itself.


Only you can decide if it is worth the extra money. You are 100% at the limit of diminishing returns with the 40ES though.
Thank you for your thoughts. I'm pretty much in the same boat and where I live it's hard to get a hw-55 demo. Probably buying a HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 capable receiver this fall but waiting a while until a cheaper 4k projector is introduced. The Sony hw40 is pretty much dead quiet as well which is a must for me.
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Awesome room and congrats to Home Theater of the Month!!!!
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Congratulations are in order!

I wish I had your budget. Mine is 1/3 of that.

Nice build.

Wish I could go all black on the colors like you did, but my WAF is forcing me to go as dark as I can with a neutral color.

Love those seats.

Which movies have you watched so far in it?
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Congratulations are in order!

I wish I had your budget. Mine is 1/3 of that.

Nice build.

Wish I could go all black on the colors like you did, but my WAF is forcing me to go as dark as I can with a neutral color.

Love those seats.

Which movies have you watched so far in it?
Since I got it back together after the long 1 year down time.

Full movies - Kingsmen, Big Hero 6, Maleficent, Guardians of the Galaxy.

Plus a ton of Demo Clips.
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My favorite theater of the month so far. Exactly what i would build (except i'd have a lot more DIY subwoofer action)
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I haven't seen too many all black theaters that I like, but this is really nice. Well done.
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I haven't seen too many all black theaters that I like, but this is really nice. Well done.
The key is different "black" Surfaces and materials.

It's still black, but allows you to still see details of the room itself.

If I would have wrapped everything in Black Velvet (large step up from what I did for performance) it would look very boring and I feel would suck the happiness out of some people quick like a dementor in Harry Potter.

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Sowk.

Great room. I'm actually on vacation but checking AVS while waiting for my wife and felt the need to let you know you have a great room I've liked for a long time. Congrats on the HTOTM.
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What a great looking room!! One of my favorite HTOM's so far.

I want to see more pics *off to check build/room thread*.
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Immaculate theater.......
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The defintion of a reference room I would say. Great job!
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Also, without ultraviolet rays from sunlight, home theaters will run the risk of smelling musty from the inevitable bacterial and fungal overgrowth that can occur.
I would say that although uv might play a role, I think moisture is a bigger factor in fungal and mold growth. Having a small room with multiple people and the door closed gets steamy pretty quickly.
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Awesome HT...a goal to shoot for...
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Fantastic theater, I love it!

Clicked on the link to the video to see more and it was even better. It just left me with one question though:

How do you put in a new disc into the Oppo since it's located behind the screen? Do you have to take the screen off every time you want to change a disc or did I miss something?

Again, congratulations on Home Theater of the Month!
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