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post #301 of 766 Old 12-24-2014, 04:51 AM
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Your complaint would be valid if URC's business model was selling remotes to end users. However, they sell through dealers only similar to buying a car. So URC won't be selling you a remote without software since they won't be selling you a remote at all. The dealer you buy it from has the option to provide you with the software.

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Your complaint would be valid if URC's business model was selling remotes to end users. However, they sell through dealers only similar to buying a car. So URC won't be selling you a remote without software since they won't be selling you a remote at all. The dealer you buy it from has the option to provide you with the software.
You're right about that part.

But I'll guess URC is in the business of selling remotes not making dealers rich. All the people that will go to Logitech instead can't be a great business. And there's a huge difference between a car and a remote, let's not kid each other. BTW I bought my MX 900 online and programmed it myself. The software was a bit clunky but not rocket science to figure out. I'm pretty sure it came with the remote (although it's been a few years so don't remember). If I had to go looking for a dealer - I wouldn't have bought one.

To me someone who will buy $500 remote and not be able to change anything on it without paying more $100s to a dealer is off his rocker. If you have to incur that kind of cost every time you change blu-ray player or projector or a TV - that's just crazy. But hey - it's a free country.

Ok, I'll stop these posts - they don't add anything to the thread at this point.
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That's not what I meant about the car. You can't go to Honda and buy a car. You go to a Honda dealer. Good luck with your Harmony. It can work well for most people.

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I'll provide a different perspective...

I have a Harmony remote that I've used for years. Works absolutely awesome for me. I'm planning on relocating my receiver in a enclosure that is out of sight, so I picked up the MX-780 and MRF-260. I tried out the programming application and it's not an easy task, especially to have it maintain state like the Logitech does (knows what components are on). I have relocated my receiver so I haven't programmed it yet, but I'll have to devote a good amount of time some day to figure it out. The Harmony setup is very simple (because it's not as flexible), which makes it a better consumer remote. I can only imagine the support calls that Universal would have to deal with if they expected average consumers to be able to program these.

Also, people that are spending $500 on a remote are usually the ones that have another company install their very expensive A/V system. And for DIY'ers like us, we can access the software and have the skill to be able to program it, so what's the issue here?
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If your devices have discreet codes I would use those versus logic remembering power states. I haven't ever used or programmed a Harmony remote so not sure how difficult they are. But with the CCP the first time is the hardest. Then it becomes easier.
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In CCP, is there any way to replace a graphic / icon you used for a device with a new graphic without having to recreate the device from scratch? I know when you press delete for a button, it asks if you want to delete everything or just certain parts. I can't seem to find a way to copy a new graphic over an existing one.

I have a macro recorded, and I don't want to overwrite it.
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In CCP, is there any way to replace a graphic / icon you used for a device with a new graphic without having to recreate the device from scratch? I know when you press delete for a button, it asks if you want to delete everything or just certain parts. I can't seem to find a way to copy a new graphic over an existing one.

I have a macro recorded, and I don't want to overwrite it.
I went to the device menu and dragged a new image over an existing one.

Here is the dialog:
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I went to the device menu and dragged a new image over an existing one.

Here is the dialog:
Okay, that works for some of the devices/actions, but for some of them (especially the ones I'm interested in with macros), the new graphic just pops in and overwrites the entire device. The dialog box asking if you want to overwrite everything or just the icon never pops up. I tested it with a couple of them, and two of them are almost entirely identical (one to watch/use Net Radio one to watch/use the Wii) and on one the dialog comes up, the other it doesn't.
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Hi,

I'm a new owner of a MX-780 and have some problems.
I'm in Germany and my Sony TV and Sat-Receiver are not in the database - so i learn the code from the original remote.
The problem is the repeating. Sony remotes work by design in the way that they send the code 3 times if you press a button.
I have "Repeat: 3" and "Repeat while button is pressed" checked - but pressing volume up does not turn the volume up as long as i press.
I have to press consecutively to turn up the volume.

There is one button that sends as long as i press and that is "down". But the settings are the same as all the other buttons.
I can't figure out why this button works and the others not.
The buttons for my Sat-Receiver send all the time as long as i press and have the same setting...

The other thing is: How can i find out the behavior of the buttons of my original remote? Just with testing with my device?
It seams like the default is "Repeat: 3" and "Repeat while button is pressed" in CCP but thats not true for all buttons.
For example "Menu" - with this setting the menu opens and closes nonstop.
Does CCP not learn the right behavior from the original remote?
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^^^^^
It is very likely that there will be a Sony model in the database that can give you much of what you need. What is the model of the TV? What kind of Sat-Receiver are you working with?
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The receiver is a Smart Joy HD: http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2012/smart_joyhd.shtml
and the TV a Sony KDF-E50A11E.

But even if there is something similar in the database - why does "Repeat while button is pressed" not work?
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Seeking help with MX-890

I just bought an MX-890 for my home theater, as I'm going to move my MX-450 to the family room. I've read Donny Bahama's very helpful posts from back in August 2014 that started with "MX-780 is pretty robust" followed by "MX-780 Programming Best Practices" then "MACROS." Very helpful. However, I'm stuck on the first part! Despite being a very tech savvy database engineer by trade, it's driving me crazy that I cannot figure this first part out.

Donny,
In your BASIC SETUP section you describe creating two main screens "Activities" and "Devices." I see your screen shot. But my CCP (version 3.4.0106.1) looks a tad different in the Model Designer pane.

It lists my remote (MX-890), then "Main", then under that "Main Pages," beneath which are Page 1 and Page 2.

What I can't figure out though is how to add another "Main Page" to call "DEVICES" as in Step 1 of your best practices. Right-clicking on the Remote yields only "Rename" and "Event Timer" choices on the pop-up menu. Right-clicking on "Main", I can "Add Device" but it's always under "Main" (and it's a device, not a Main Page). Right-clicking on "Main Pages", I can add Pages, but of course they are under "Main Pages" and no manner of clicking and dragging will move then anywhere else.

So, am I missing something obvious, is your software older, or is there some magical keyboard shortcut that I cannot find on the Menus or Ribbon???

Again, I really appreciate all the help you've provided. If I can just get past this initial hurdle, I'm sure I will be able to move through the rest of your recommendations and get my MX-890 up and running using your tips --well, I already have it running at about the same level of functionality as the MX-450 it is replacing, but now I know, from YOUR TIPS, that I can make it BETTER! And the perfectionist in my wants more!

Many thanks in advance,
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In the CCP, after you highlight the mx-890, go to top and click Program, then Create & Name devices. To the left you see targets Main & Main2, highlight Main2, now fell with devices like you did with Main 1. And Save.
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In the CCP, after you highlight the mx-890, go to top and click Program, then Create & Name devices. To the left you see targets Main & Main2, highlight Main2, now fell with devices like you did with Main 1. And Save.
Hi Edmund,
Thanks for your reply. I created a new file, selected the MX-890 remote, went to the Program ribbon and clicked Create & Name Devices, and I've attached a screenshot of what I see. I'm still not seeing a Main 2 anywhere! What am I missing? Many thanks in advance.
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To let everybody know. The problem was that i did not hold the buttons long enough on the original remote.
After holding them until the learning window disappears everything works.
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Hi Edmund,
Thanks for your reply. I created a new file, selected the MX-890 remote, went to the Program ribbon and clicked Create & Name Devices, and I've attached a screenshot of what I see. I'm still not seeing a Main 2 anywhere! What am I missing? Many thanks in advance.
Edmund,
Just out of curiousity I decided to create a new file for an MX-780, and it looks just like you and Donny described. But when I create a new file for an MX-890, it doesn't have the "Main" and "Main 2" as the MX-780 does. So I guess that explains it!

Looks like I'll need to figure out how to adapt Donny's Best Practices for the MX-780 to the MX-890. Thanks again.
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Edmund,
Just out of curiousity I decided to create a new file for an MX-780, and it looks just like you and Donny described. But when I create a new file for an MX-890, it doesn't have the "Main" and "Main 2" as the MX-780 does. So I guess that explains it!

Looks like I'll need to figure out how to adapt Donny's Best Practices for the MX-780 to the MX-890. Thanks again.
Sorry, I never owned the mx-890, or programmed one.
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I just bought an MX-890 for my home theater, as I'm going to move my MX-450 to the family room. I've read Donny Bahama's very helpful posts from back in August 2014 that started with "MX-780 is pretty robust" followed by "MX-780 Programming Best Practices" then "MACROS." Very helpful. However, I'm stuck on the first part! Despite being a very tech savvy database engineer by trade, it's driving me crazy that I cannot figure this first part out.

Donny,
In your BASIC SETUP section you describe creating two main screens "Activities" and "Devices." I see your screen shot. But my CCP (version 3.4.0106.1) looks a tad different in the Model Designer pane.

It lists my remote (MX-890), then "Main", then under that "Main Pages," beneath which are Page 1 and Page 2.

What I can't figure out though is how to add another "Main Page" to call "DEVICES" as in Step 1 of your best practices. Right-clicking on the Remote yields only "Rename" and "Event Timer" choices on the pop-up menu. Right-clicking on "Main", I can "Add Device" but it's always under "Main" (and it's a device, not a Main Page). Right-clicking on "Main Pages", I can add Pages, but of course they are under "Main Pages" and no manner of clicking and dragging will move then anywhere else.

So, am I missing something obvious, is your software older, or is there some magical keyboard shortcut that I cannot find on the Menus or Ribbon???

Again, I really appreciate all the help you've provided. If I can just get past this initial hurdle, I'm sure I will be able to move through the rest of your recommendations and get my MX-890 up and running using your tips --well, I already have it running at about the same level of functionality as the MX-450 it is replacing, but now I know, from YOUR TIPS, that I can make it BETTER! And the perfectionist in my wants more!

Many thanks in advance,
Terry
Hi Terry,


The MX-890 is a bit of a different animal than the 780 and it only has one set of main pages so you need to structure it a bit differently. For mine I use it to control four separate zones, the HT, an upstairs area for the wife (she also has a 780 up there structured as Donny recommended with Activities and Devices), some speakers in the garage, and zone for around the pool. I also use it to control some URC lighting. On the plus side - you can do a bit more with the programming logic and graphics on the 890!


I have a single "main" page where I can go to a power menu, a lighting menu, and each of the 4 zones. The power menu has three full width buttons for "all off" (self explanatory), Devices on opens another page where devices can be individually powered on, devices off the same, except for power off of course.


Each of the four zones contain "Activites" relevant for that zone, like DirecTV, Blu-Ray, etc. Those activities have all of the macro programming for tracking power state, bringing up appropriate devices for the activity, switching inputs, etc. The HT zone has a special button for "Manage Devices" which opens another menu with jumps to each individual device so they can be controlled directly. Anyway - this is where the "Devices" function that Donny recommended has gone for me.


Just as a note - I have found the variable functionality in the 890 to be handy for tracking what my last activity was, power states for the devices, etc. Use your imagination!


I am sure that doesn't make a lot of sense so I have included a few screenshots showing the single "main" page, and the first Activity page for the HT (with the Blu-Ray button selected so you can see the variable use in the macro).


Good Luck,
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Hi Terry,
I have a single "main" page where I can go to a power menu, a lighting menu, and each of the 4 zones. The power menu has three full width buttons for "all off" (self explanatory), Devices on opens another page where devices can be individually powered on, devices off the same, except for power off of course.
Thanks for the explanation Bill. The screenshots are very helpful indeed. I'll give it a go adapting Donny's best practices along with your example and let you know how it goes.

Thanks again!
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Thanks for the explanation Bill. The screenshots are very helpful indeed. I'll give it a go adapting Donny's best practices along with your example and let you know how it goes.

Thanks again!
Good luck. You have enough flexibility in what the MX-890 can do that you can set it up however YOU want. So if Activities and Devices don't make sense for you - go ahead and do something else
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URC 890 would appreciate basic help

I recently bought a new 890, got the software from the dealer. I have read 2 manuals I have found so far, one 60 pages, and one around 23 that I think is a revision. I have had a Pronto 7000 for 12 years and have programmed it to do everything I needed it to do until I got Xfinity X1. It will not work with it as far as I can tell. I have programming experience in Dbase, Powerbuilder, and C++. I would like to get at least one device working on this remote to understand the "flow" of how things are associated with each other. I don't need any macros yet, I just want to understand the basics and try to learn from there. I have a Yamaha amp, RX-V659 which I am trying to get to work, all by its self. One problem is there are 4 or 5 different ones with that model number in the database. How do you determine which one to use? Would anyone help me with the steps, or guide me to someones pre-written instruction guide for adding a simple device? I have read through Donnys posts on basic setup and a few others I found on the net, but none have explained how this is connected to this and this works with this, etc. I have looked at other peoples .ccp's and tried following the 2 manuals, but after the first couple steps, my screen doesn't look like theirs. I'm definitely missing something. Thank you for listening
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I recently bought a new 890, got the software from the dealer. I have read 2 manuals I have found so far, one 60 pages, and one around 23 that I think is a revision. I have had a Pronto 7000 for 12 years and have programmed it to do everything I needed it to do until I got Xfinity X1. It will not work with it as far as I can tell. I have programming experience in Dbase, Powerbuilder, and C++. I would like to get at least one device working on this remote to understand the "flow" of how things are associated with each other. I don't need any macros yet, I just want to understand the basics and try to learn from there. I have a Yamaha amp, RX-V659 which I am trying to get to work, all by its self. One problem is there are 4 or 5 different ones with that model number in the database. How do you determine which one to use? Would anyone help me with the steps, or guide me to someones pre-written instruction guide for adding a simple device? I have read through Donnys posts on basic setup and a few others I found on the net, but none have explained how this is connected to this and this works with this, etc. I have looked at other peoples .ccp's and tried following the 2 manuals, but after the first couple steps, my screen doesn't look like theirs. I'm definitely missing something. Thank you for listening
Looking at the IR DB Navigator for your RX-V659 there are indeed 7 individual entries for this device. If I were you, after you have your room setup (Program menu -> Configure Home) go to the the next step which is to "Create & Name Devices." Add a new device using the RX-V659 [MAIN] entry as the template for your new device. This will give you enough to actually control your device's main zone.

But here is where some of the other stuff comes in. If you look at the device you just created (I haven't tried this on this particular device, but this is how it generally works) the power on/off are likely both assigned to "SYSTEM POWER" which is a toggle. What you probably want is for your green power button to turn it on, and the red one to turn it off.

To get this to happen click on your green power button, then in the macro window hilight the command that is there and delete it with the yellow X in that window. Do the same for the red power button. Now select the DISCRETE#1 entry in the navigator. Scroll through the list of discrete commands until you find the MAIN POWER ON & MAIN POWER OFF entries. Assign those to the green and red buttons respectively.

If you are going to use Zone 2 on your Yamaha create another brand new separate device using the RX-V659 ZONE2 entry as the template for the new device and you will have a new device with commands relevant to zone 2!

If you will be using XM radio create a device for that; likewise if you use the iPod interface create a device for that also. Take a look at my screenshots from a few posts above and you will see I have 4 devices for my AVR Denon 4520ci - one for each of the zones. If the picture was a bit bigger you would see for 3 entries for my AVR Denon X3000: Main Zone, Zone 2, and Network!

In short - all of the supplied RX-V659 entries may be relevant. Familiarize yourself with the IR codes available in each of those entries. You can add pages and buttons on the pages for each of your devices pretty much as much as you want and each of those "soft" buttons can have any IR code assigned to it - it doesn't even have to be from any of the RX-V659 available codes. Also, as you have seen by changing the power buttons - any of the "hard" buttons can be assigned to any IR command also. You aren't limited to what URC supplies to you. Often there will be unused hard buttons once the device is created - these can all be utilized for some functionality or another

I use this type of functionality on each of my devices for my HT (Blu-Ray, DirecTV, Dune Media Player, etc.) where each device has two pages at the end that are identical for consistency between devices. My "page 9" has some AVR functionality for selecting surround modes (Move, Music, Game, Multi-Ch Stereo) in case I want to change those without having to go to my Denon-4520 device to do so. My "page 10" for each of those devices has some controls for my URC lighting (brighter, dimmer, on, off, etc.) as well as a button that links to my "All Power Off" macro to shut things down.

I know I ramble a bit, but hopefully this will be enough to get you started on your journey.

Good Luck
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Thank you very much for the reply. It is nice to see someone take some of there time to help out a newbie for this type of remote. Although your answer was partly what I was asking for, it didn't quite answer my question. Perhaps my question wasn't worded correctly. As I said, I had been programming my Pronto TSU7000's for a dozen years, but this remote is a little different with what it can do, and the software layout is all together different. I was looking for the flow of the software, how this here effects this there, and how that over there effects this over here. etc. Thats what I didn't get out of the manuals. But after 10 hours yesterday I kept my nose to the computer screen and got 90% of the remote working. I have a green and red to turn on and off all my equipment, set the inputs on the amp and tv with one keystroke and jump to the device. I learned how to use macros with jumps and alias's and now have a pretty good idea of how the lay of the land is. I hope to write a "little" post of instructions for beginners, when I'm done with mine, to help other people that are having problems with the manuals, understand how basic things are tied together, and how to at least get their first device working. I am definitely not an expert yet, and may never be, but I enjoy helping people in my business of 39 years. I know the experts up here will have better ways of doing things, and maybe that will spark an interest in them to post the correct way to do a task.
My biggest challenge now is to get my pace X1 box working. My exact model PX001AMN. I haven't been able to find it in the ir database. There are some generics at the bottom I believe. I tried the first one so far, but it didn't work. My X1 is new to me but I don't know how long it has been out. If anyone can give me any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.


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Thank you very much for the reply. It is nice to see someone take some of there time to help out a newbie for this type of remote. Although your answer was partly what I was asking for, it didn't quite answer my question. Perhaps my question wasn't worded correctly. As I said, I had been programming my Pronto TSU7000's for a dozen years, but this remote is a little different with what it can do, and the software layout is all together different. I was looking for the flow of the software, how this here effects this there, and how that over there effects this over here. etc. Thats what I didn't get out of the manuals. But after 10 hours yesterday I kept my nose to the computer screen and got 90% of the remote working. I have a green and red to turn on and off all my equipment, set the inputs on the amp and tv with one keystroke and jump to the device. I learned how to use macros with jumps and alias's and now have a pretty good idea of how the lay of the land is. I hope to write a "little" post of instructions for beginners, when I'm done with mine, to help other people that are having problems with the manuals, understand how basic things are tied together, and how to at least get their first device working. I am definitely not an expert yet, and may never be, but I enjoy helping people in my business of 39 years. I know the experts up here will have better ways of doing things, and maybe that will spark an interest in them to post the correct way to do a task.
My biggest challenge now is to get my pace X1 box working. My exact model PX001AMN. I haven't been able to find it in the ir database. There are some generics at the bottom I believe. I tried the first one so far, but it didn't work. My X1 is new to me but I don't know how long it has been out. If anyone can give me any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.


Yamaha RX-V659
Sony RDR-HX715
Directv HR44-500
X1 PX001AMN
Mitsubishi WS-65411 (I wish would fail)
I am far from expert as my first experience was programming my own MX-890 and MX-780 to work with the MRX-2 base station and my URC lighting. This was all done last fall after much trial and error. I have never had a Pronto of any kind so won't be much help with that.


If none of the generic codes for your Pace work you can always learn the codes from your original remote, or if you can find the Pronto hex for it (remotecentral.com is a good resource) you can enter that directly into the program also. If you have a ccf file containing the codes from your Pronto, you can also use the universal browser to import codes.


Good Luck,
Bill

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For the X1 info try this link. http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...ght=Comcast|x1

I don't have a X1 personally to confirm so let us know if it works.
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Got it working , mostly on Generic (113) Pace 4. Still having problems with the Xfinity DVR button
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Did you try the 195, if controlling by ir, or 202, if your using a RF base station? Or did you try learning the signal?
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Did you try the 195, if controlling by ir, or 202, if your using a RF base station? Or did you try learning the signal?
I'm not sure how to do that yet. I changed to 195 in IR database navigator and Xfinity was there, so I tried it and it worked. I had been using 113.menu, which kinda worked, but you had to hit the button just right. Thank you. Now I'm trying to setup a favorites page and I'm having trouble getting the numbers to come up right. Like for 54, I get 55 or 555 and no 4. I have tried .5 , 1 and 2 second delays. Any ideas? Thanks again
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I'm not sure how to do that yet. I changed to 195 in IR database navigator and Xfinity was there, so I tried it and it worked. I had been using 113.menu, which kinda worked, but you had to hit the button just right. Thank you. Now I'm trying to setup a favorites page and I'm having trouble getting the numbers to come up right. Like for 54, I get 55 or 555 and no 4. I have tried .5 , 1 and 2 second delays. Any ideas? Thanks again
Your the man! 54 is working now. I put a 5, a .1 delay, and a 4 and it worked great. Am trying some others now Thank you
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Your the man! 54 is working now. I put a 5, a .1 delay, and a 4 and it worked great. Am trying some others now Thank you
Changed 870 and 39. Worked like a charm. Just went over all the hard keys and going out to check.
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