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I can spend up to maybe $7K but would prefer not to.
I have an 65" LG B7P that's nice but want to game in my theater room and of course a little 65" screen won't cut it.
I was really drawn to the epson 5040UB but it will not support the 4K output of the XB1X, just like it didn't for the XB1S.
Really a shame that they cheaped out with their HDMI chip - seems like a trend for manufactures to screw up great products to save a couple of dollars with a chipset that would future proof. I'm sure it's deliberate.
I'm fine with a unit that does the same kind of pixel shifting 'Faux-K' that the epson and I believe some of the JVC units do. It doesn't have to be native 4K.

Also, I have a 100" screen that I must be able to project to from between 14-17 ft with the location of my ceiling mount/wiring. So those short throw guys don't work.

With the new XB1X supporting the upcoming variable rate tech and HDMI 2.1 just around the corner, is it wise to wait and save money until new products come out that meet all the current failings in even they most expensive projectors?
I know not everyone games, but I've been an avid gamer for decades so it's at the top of my list



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I've got the 5040 and an XB1X on pre-order. What do you base your conclusion on, that the 5040 won't support 4K from the XB1X?
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I can spend up to maybe $7K but would prefer not to.
I have an 65" LG B7P that's nice but want to game in my theater room and of course a little 65" screen won't cut it.
I was really drawn to the epson 5040UB but it will not support the 4K output of the XB1X, just like it didn't for the XB1S.
Really a shame that they cheaped out with their HDMI chip - seems like a trend for manufactures to screw up great products to save a couple of dollars with a chipset that would future proof. I'm sure it's deliberate.
I'm fine with a unit that does the same kind of pixel shifting 'Faux-K' that the epson and I believe some of the JVC units do. It doesn't have to be native 4K.

Also, I have a 100" screen that I must be able to project to from between 14-17 ft with the location of my ceiling mount/wiring. So those short throw guys don't work.

With the new XB1X supporting the upcoming variable rate tech and HDMI 2.1 just around the corner, is it wise to wait and save money until new products come out that meet all the current failings in even they most expensive projectors?
I know not everyone games, but I've been an avid gamer for decades so it's at the top of my list



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I'm sure you've been looking at the 5040/6040 owner's thread but if I'm reading that thread right, the Xbox One S currently DOES output 4K to the 5040/6040. Now HDR is a bit more problematic with users having to do something else with HD Fury Linker etc.

I will say from personal experience that I hooked up the PS4 Slim (not the Pro) and was able to game in HDR w/ one of their game demos, Knack 2. Now you have me thinking I should fire up the demo again to check out what color space was being sent etc.

Also with my limited understanding of the issue, I wonder if the Xbox could output HDR to the Epson later via firmware update.

I game a lot and I'm in a similar place as you I think. It seems the consensus is that no projector (unless you're shilling out HIGH five figures) is going to do HDR decently because of the brightness problem. But even if I'm only getting 1080p upscaled on that thing, I'm happy - For me largely because of the lens memory and zooming for when I watch movies.
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I'm currently gaming with this projector and an original xbox one, and am very pleased with the results. I'm actually posting this message with the XB1 right now from my recliner in the HT. Video is going through an upscaling AVR that is sending a 4K 60Hz BT.709 SDR signal to the Epson 5040ube over wireless hdmi. Of course HDR on this projector is going to be limited to 24/30Hz. Don't yet know if that setting will be available on the XB1X in game mode, but I think I can live without HDR for gaming.

I find that HDR for movie watching is bright enough on the 5040 in a light controlled room to still make it my preferred viewing mode when available streaming or 4K bluray (currently delivered by a Sony UBP X800).
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With your price range, it looks like the newly announced JVCs might beg your attention too. 18Gbps chip, it looks like lens memory and shifting, and also low latency modes.
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I'm currently gaming with this projector and an original xbox one, and am very pleased with the results. I'm actually posting this message with the XB1 right now from my recliner in the HT. Video is going through an upscaling AVR that is sending a 4K 60Hz BT.709 SDR signal to the Epson 5040ube over wireless hdmi. Of course HDR on this projector is going to be limited to 24/30Hz. Don't yet know if that setting will be available on the XB1X in game mode, but I think I can live without HDR for gaming.

I find that HDR for movie watching is bright enough on the 5040 in a light controlled room to still make it my preferred viewing mode when available streaming or 4K bluray (currently delivered by a Sony UBP X800).
Just wanted to add my own followup... So I got my 6040 and my XB1S and watched Guardians Vol 2 UHD the other day and was able to get 4k/HDR BT.2020.
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With your price range, it looks like the newly announced JVCs might beg your attention too. 18Gbps chip, it looks like lens memory and shifting, and also low latency modes.
I second this. The new JVC's sound like exactly what you want. I personally have an Epson 5040ub. I debated getting the new JVC, but with the 5040ub only being $2,500, it was hard to justify the extra $1500+ just to get HDR gaming. It definitely outputs 4k though...not sure what your original concern is. Unless you are talking about full 4k/60/HDR gaming. You'll only be able to do 4k/60 gaming or 4k/24/HDR movie watching on it. Still a heck of a deal though, and I think it looks INCREDIBLE.

One thing to keep in mind with your budget though, especially if you're new to the projector world, is you're going to need a lot more than just the projector unit. I don't know the rest of your set up, so this might not be an issue, but you're going to want dedicated speakers and probably a receiver. That easily can soak up another $3.5k+ when all is said and done.
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With your price range, it looks like the newly announced JVCs might beg your attention too. 18Gbps chip, it looks like lens memory and shifting, and also low latency modes.
Which new JVC projectors would be best for FPS's/quick moving games? Will they perform just as well as a direct view Plasma/LED/LCD/OLED panel?
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I second this. The new JVC's sound like exactly what you want. I personally have an Epson 5040ub. I debated getting the new JVC, but with the 5040ub only being $2,500, it was hard to justify the extra $1500+ just to get HDR gaming. It definitely outputs 4k though...not sure what your original concern is. Unless you are talking about full 4k/60/HDR gaming. You'll only be able to do 4k/60 gaming or 4k/24/HDR movie watching on it. Still a heck of a deal though, and I think it looks INCREDIBLE.

One thing to keep in mind with your budget though, especially if you're new to the projector world, is you're going to need a lot more than just the projector unit. I don't know the rest of your set up, so this might not be an issue, but you're going to want dedicated speakers and probably a receiver. That easily can soak up another $3.5k+ when all is said and done.

Thanks for the follow up.
I'm still in the market, just haven't found anything that is convincing enough.

When you were mentioning the 4k/60/HDR gaming were you talking about the new JVC or the 5040?
With my new XB1X I will need 4K/60/HDR so not sure what options that leaves when it's hard enough to find a projector that meets my throw distance requirements.

I've been into HT for years, just finished a complete basement remodel with home theater (hidden speakers, dedicated equipment room etc).
I 'could' get a new screen but I love my 100" Vutec Silverstar and it's a real shame to get rid of it when it's perfect for my space and I love the image it produces.

I have been looking at projector central and the calculator they offer seems like I can't find a projector that will fill the 100" diagonal screen from any more than about 11-13.5'? My mount can be absolute minimum 14-14.6'

Even the 5040 is saying the minimum throw distance has to be 13.4'.
I really liked the look of the new Optoma HD39Darbee but it's maximum for 100" diagonal is 12.6'

I really don't want to have plastic strip cable management running 3' along my ceiling to accommodate a short throw PJ

I am seriously tempted to just buy an 86" Samsung LED 4K TV that I saw the other day in Costco for just over $4K.
Sure, it's smaller, but when I built this space I wired the wall where the projector screen would be for power and with a 4K capable HDMI cable so I would have the option of projection of TV.

Really want to find the right projector but there's always an issue or limitation......

Thanks to all for the feedback.
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Thanks for the follow up.
I'm still in the market, just haven't found anything that is convincing enough.

When you were mentioning the 4k/60/HDR gaming were you talking about the new JVC or the 5040?
With my new XB1X I will need 4K/60/HDR so not sure what options that leaves when it's hard enough to find a projector that meets my throw distance requirements.

I've been into HT for years, just finished a complete basement remodel with home theater (hidden speakers, dedicated equipment room etc)................................

I am seriously tempted to just buy an 86" Samsung LED 4K TV that I saw the other day in Costco for just over $4K.
Sure, it's smaller, but when I built this space I wired the wall where the projector screen would be for power and with a 4K capable HDMI cable so I would have the option of projection of TV.

Really want to find the right projector but there's always an issue or limitation......

Thanks to all for the feedback.
Globespy, I'm a PS4Pro gamer in a similar enough boat I thought I'd post. I want to replace an 8 yr old 1080 PJ with a 4k HDR / WCG model for gaming.

I'm having similar thoughts about an LED for reasons of lag......and posted in the <$3000 PJ section here...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...600-gamer.html
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Thanks for the follow up.
I'm still in the market, just haven't found anything that is convincing enough.

When you were mentioning the 4k/60/HDR gaming were you talking about the new JVC or the 5040?
With my new XB1X I will need 4K/60/HDR so not sure what options that leaves when it's hard enough to find a projector that meets my throw distance requirements.

I've been into HT for years, just finished a complete basement remodel with home theater (hidden speakers, dedicated equipment room etc).
I 'could' get a new screen but I love my 100" Vutec Silverstar and it's a real shame to get rid of it when it's perfect for my space and I love the image it produces.

I have been looking at projector central and the calculator they offer seems like I can't find a projector that will fill the 100" diagonal screen from any more than about 11-13.5'? My mount can be absolute minimum 14-14.6'

Even the 5040 is saying the minimum throw distance has to be 13.4'.
I really liked the look of the new Optoma HD39Darbee but it's maximum for 100" diagonal is 12.6'

I really don't want to have plastic strip cable management running 3' along my ceiling to accommodate a short throw PJ

I am seriously tempted to just buy an 86" Samsung LED 4K TV that I saw the other day in Costco for just over $4K.
Sure, it's smaller, but when I built this space I wired the wall where the projector screen would be for power and with a 4K capable HDMI cable so I would have the option of projection of TV.

Really want to find the right projector but there's always an issue or limitation......

Thanks to all for the feedback.

Just to give you a little insight. I recently bought an Xbox One X and my family's home theater uses an Epson 5040UB on a 138 in diagonal 2:35 AR screen with a Marantz SR5010 AVR. When I hooked up my Xbox One X to my receiver, I checked the technical information specs. The Epson 5040UB can do 4K at 60Hz/FPS at YCbCr 4:2:0 at 8-bit, but not anything better, since it doesn't have the ability to receive a full 18Gbps HDMI signal. When I go to check my Xbox settings and look at my display details, most of the checkmarks don't get filled and instead have some red and yellow marks on them. It only checks the 4K at 60FPS/Hz box but not most of the others. I didn't take a picture so I can't show you this screen that I'm talking about. However, I have attached a chart to give you a better understanding. Anything colored in pink, the Epson 5040UB cannot do, unless maybe you use that HDFury Linker thing that's being talked about on the Epson 5040UB owners' thread. So, yeah, I think the JVC e-shift 5 projectors might be your best bet. Although you might have them throw distance issues, which I haven't looked into much.

Anyway, I've played some games on it and I have to say it's still overall a pretty good experience (4K @ 60FPS @ YCbCr 4:2:0 @ 8-bit) even though it's not optimal for the Xbox One X console's performance potential. But regardless, you might have different or more demanding desires for a projector.
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I would take a hard look at the JVC 440 and 540 which does 18gbps, HDR, 4K60p. Sound and Vision and Projectorreviews.com rate this product line very highly. The 5040 is a good option but the JVC has much less compromises for 4K gaming. I would have bought the 5040 if I was not gaming but I am so I didn’t. Lookup Mike Garrett with AV Science the company that started this forum. He’s highly recommended and I know why since just I bought my new 420 from him.

I would note however that an 85” LED TV will definitely look better but not enough in my opinion to warrant the size difference. There are some screen size comparison tools on the internet to see what you are missing out on size wise. Also I find that projectors don’t cause as much eye strain and I’ve been using them for over 13 years.
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Why isn't anyone talking about the Sony 285ES? That seems like a no brainer to me. Its NATIVE 4k and if you don't think you can tell the difference between that an a pixel shifting JVC or Epson which are just doubling pixels go to Magnolia Store and look at these in person (depends on screen size and seating distance of course). The 285 is $5000, has HDR, low input lag. With the Sony, 4k HDR 60hz material they do run @ 8 bit vs 30hz @ 10/12bit but you still cover at least 85-90% of WCG so its looks awesome. Naturally there could be some banding in specific scenes like looking at an HDR skyline. I have a huge library on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X (Gears will melt your face it looks so freaking good) and the Sony's are incredible. I have a 385 though. There also has been some development on HDR metadata being injected differently making crazy improvements for any type of banding\posturization someone could run into as well as huge gains with HDR image. I haven't tried yet but I can say the pic looking incredible as is. Just my .02.

For reference, I have a dedicated theater room that is completely treated, been gaming my entire life, mid 30's, 135 inch screen I sit about 8 feet from.

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Why isn't anyone talking about the Sony 285ES? That seems like a no brainer to me. Its NATIVE 4k and if you don't think you can tell the difference between that an a pixel shifting JVC or Epson which are just doubling pixels go to Magnolia Store and look at these in person (depends on screen size and seating distance of course). The 285 is $5000, has HDR, low input lag. With the Sony, 4k HDR 60hz material they do run @ 8 bit vs 30hz @ 10/12bit but you still cover at least 85-90% of WCG so its looks awesome. Naturally there could be some banding in specific scenes like looking at an HDR skyline. I have a huge library on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X (Gears will melt your face it looks so freaking good) and the Sony's are incredible. I have a 385 though. There also has been some development on HDR metadata being injected differently making crazy improvements for any type of banding\posturization someone could run into as well as huge gains with HDR image. I haven't tried yet but I can say the pic looking incredible as is. Just my .02.

For reference, I have a dedicated theater room that is completely treated, been gaming my entire life, mid 30's, 135 inch screen I sit about 8 feet from.

Hurry up PUBG!!
The Sony 285ES is great, with one exception. It cannot receive the full 18Gbps on its HDMI input, unlike the 885.
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The Sony 285ES is great, with one exception. It cannot receive the full 18Gbps on its HDMI input, unlike the 885.
Well, I believe OP mentioned $7000 was his limit, not $25,000 LOL. May as well go for the VW5000ES!
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