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I would like to bring light to some of Prestige Audio’s posts.

While I did not agree with some of what he was saying at first, he did have some very good points as I was talking with him today.

The FV15HP’s are ever so slightly overkill. I think a better choice would be the FVX15’s which are $300 less each but the output is very close, negligible even. Even better would be two VTF3’s by HSU. All will have insane output for your theater but as you spend more and more of your budget on the subwoofers you take away from the speakers as prestige has said. You have multiple seating positions and a large viewing distance. You need very high caliber mains for this. I will suggest PSA speakers at this point. A 7.0 system with 210T’s for the LCR and 110’s as surrounds will put you at $6000. This leaves $4000 for receiver and subwoofers. How you go about this is up to you. You could do a Denon X4400H + 4 VTF3’s for $4000 or X6400H with two FVX15’s for $4000.

You can squeeze in the X6400H + PSA 7.0 + 2 FV15HP’s under $12000 which was the top of your range, but IMO that extra $2000 spent really won’t improve the sound all that much.

Diminishing returns appears much closer than most think.

But good luck. I hope this post everyone can agree on. And I hope the OP can sort through this thread to find the “Good Info”.

And the RSL in-ceilings are a good pick. Highly regarded on AVS. I myself do not have them, but talked with plenty of happy owners.

Russdawg, interesting point on the FVX vs FV15HP. I know lots of folks here prefer the big subs, but for 2.5db less output and $600 less per pair, is it a worth "downgrade" to consider given the size of my room?
 

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Russdawg, interesting point on the FVX vs FV15HP. I know lots of folks here prefer the big subs, but for 2.5db less output and $600 less per pair, is it a worth "downgrade" to consider given the size of my room?

I would say so. The 2.5 dB increase is minuscule in the 120dB+ output you’ll get out of either pair of subs when you put them in the corner.
 

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Russdawg, interesting point on the FVX vs FV15HP. I know lots of folks here prefer the big subs, but for 2.5db less output and $600 less per pair, is it a worth "downgrade" to consider given the size of my room?
These can occasionally be found with an e-bay discount code between 10-15% but are regularly $1250 shipped (if you buy two):

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24458

The box is bigger and it has a bigger amp than the FV15HP and they are performance monsters. If you want to save a little cash on the FV15HPs, maybe consider these.
 

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Thank you Greg. Which Paradigm model do you have for LCR? I would love to demo the PSA 210Ts... I see they have a 60 day policy, but if I do that with 3 or 4 sets, it will end up costing me a ton in shipping these back.....
I have Paradigm monitor towers and as mentioned for music they are so perfect and accurate that they make your heart smile and you tingle on the inside. I also have access to a pair of Paradigm Premiers (I don't own them) that I would guess are 7'ish years old and in the theater they also lose that "smooth cherry on top" sound/feeling when compared to the DIY1099. (I'm certain many on this forum are calling 911 after reading that last statement). So that's why I'm trying to chase down a non DIY speaker that sounds like the 1099 or just stays on top of things during the movie. It all really comes down to having to listen to what speakers interest you in your setting because everyone's opinion is quite useless to you.
 

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I have Paradigm monitor towers and as mentioned for music they are so perfect and accurate that they make your heart smile and you tingle on the inside. I also have access to a pair of Paradigm Premiers (I don't own them) that I would guess are 7'ish years old and in the theater they also lose that "smooth cherry on top" sound/feeling when compared to the DIY1099. (I'm certain many on this forum are calling 911 after reading that last statement). So that's why I'm trying to chase down a non DIY speaker that sounds like the 1099 or just stays on top of things during the movie. It all really comes down to having to listen to what speakers interest you in your setting because everyone's opinion is quite useless to you.
Absolutely correct.

Speaker preferences are one of the most subjective things on the planet. What our ears hear is all different to a degree. On the flipside of that, is the room. A fantastic pair of speakers can sound like total crap in a bad room.
 

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Not sure I agree.

While the owners of Ascend, Philharmonic Audio, PSA and Selah are reasonably active on here I really don't see any of them pushing anyone one here towards their products; it seems to be their customers that do that.

I don't own any of their products but those that have bought them seem more often than not genuinely pleased and PSAs would seem the only one of those brands that might meet the OPs needs unless the industiral look of the speakers is off putting.

As to the very good Klipsch subs you are recommending my only concern was early amp failures reported by owners in the sub section.

Looking at high end theater rooms shown on AVS your recommendation for higher mounting when dealing with numerous rows of seats seems to be on point.
Thanks for your positive comment about us. Sometimes it can be difficult to determine whether a post is by an enthusiastic customer or hired shill. I had a particularly bad experience with the latter. When I challenged him on some claims that were made by the ID company he became very defensive and made every attempt to discredit me. Later on he showed up representing the same company at an audio show. Pathetic.
 
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Thanks for your positive comment about us. Sometimes it can be difficult to determine whether a post is by an enthusiastic customer or hired shill. I had a particularly bad experience with the latter. When I challenged him on some claims that were made by the ID company he became very defensive and made every attempt to discredit me. Later on he showed up representing the same company at an audio show. Pathetic.
You guys, (the ID brands I mentioned), seem to go out of your way NOT to pitch your products which I find refreshing and a reflection of high ethical standards.

I ran a small business with 11 brick and mortar locations and, sadly, most of my colleagues lacked ethical standards which, in the end, was to their detriment.

High ethical standard filter down to the "shop floor" which, IMHO, generally leads to a higher quality interface with the customer.
 

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Lots of good info here.

I think I have made the decision on the subs. Going with two FV15HPs. Found out today that the same coworker who recommended the Sierras has a pair of FV15HPs and I just listened to it tonight...Wow!! I cant compare it to anything else as I have never heard comparable types of Subs to compare this to. But I was very impressed. He had Salks for LCR, they sounded very nice too, but I was trying to focus on the subs.

I'm definitnely sold on those FV15HPs. Whether I ended up selecting 210Ts, Chanes, Sierra Towers, Triads or any of the similar price points LCRs fronts, would it make any difference on the type of Surrounds I use to complement any of those Front Mains? I like the idea of the in-walls KEF CIs (or any other Inwalls) for the 4 Surround speakers, but would those Uni-q drivers be a good match for any of the LCR fronts? Or would I be better served keeping it in the family (if 210Ts use PSA surrounds, if Sierra, use Ascent Ac surrounds, etc)?

And on the 4 in ceiling height speakers would those RSL C34E match as well? I like that price point on those...
Glad to see you'll soon be part of the Rythmik family. For towers, I'd highly recommend you look into Aperion Audio. You can have up to 60 days in-home trial and I used 3 Verus Grand towers to power my LCR
 

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Glad to see you'll soon be part of the Rythmik family. For towers, I'd highly recommend you look into Aperion Audio. You can have up to 60 days in-home trial and I used 3 Verus Grand towers to power my LCR
Your HT looks really nice! Congrats!!!

How do you like the Triad's Bronze in wall surrounds and in-ceilings with the Aperion LCR?

Are the surrounds Bipole or Dipole? I know Triad lets you choose.

Other than the Triads what else did you consider for Surround/Atmos speakers?
 

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Thank you Greg. Which Paradigm model do you have for LCR? I would love to demo the PSA 210Ts... I see they have a 60 day policy, but if I do that with 3 or 4 sets, it will end up costing me a ton in shipping these back.....
Would seriously doubt you would send the 210's back. I don't think there is a better speaker available for home theater/music combo for the price short of JTR, at which point the price isn't close anymore.
 

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Thank you Greg. Which Paradigm model do you have for LCR? I would love to demo the PSA 210Ts... I see they have a 60 day policy, but if I do that with 3 or 4 sets, it will end up costing me a ton in shipping these back.....
Would seriously doubt you would send the 210's back. I don't think there is a better speaker available for home theater/music combo for the price short of JTR, at which point the price isn't close anymore.
My problem with the PSA tower is its size.... i need to compromise on width/depth....

The PSA 210T is 11” W by 16” D.... i need a tower that is no wider than 8.5” or so and no deeper than 12” if i want to be able to move then inwards a little towards center and still be able to see the 2 side TVs.....

If they made a slimmer version it would be great....
 

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Would seriously doubt you would send the 210's back. I don't think there is a better speaker available for home theater/music combo for the price short of JTR, at which point the price isn't close anymore.

What about architectural speakers like in wall or professional speakers? You can get some killer Klipsch THX Custom Instal speakers that are the same price, some times cheaper if you find a nice dealer, just as dynamic, and way more flexible in placement since they aren’t huge friggen boxes, they just sit in your wall :p

Since his room is almost a fully dedicated theater it would seem like this would be the way to go since there’s virtually no WAF and I’m sure the OP would be glad to get his floorspace back ;)
 

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What about architectural speakers like in wall or professional speakers? You can get some killer Klipsch THX Custom Instal speakers that are the same price, some times cheaper if you find a nice dealer, just as dynamic, and way more flexible in placement since they aren’t huge friggen boxes, they just sit in your wall :p

Since his room is almost a fully dedicated theater it would seem like this would be the way to go since there’s virtually no WAF and I’m sure the OP would be glad to get his floorspace back ;)

With 2 x F15HPs there is no getting my floorspace back... :)
 

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With 2 x F15HPs there is no getting my floorspace back... :)

Very true, but you can try and give yourself a little back :p

You’d also save an extensive amount of money by going architectural since you don’t have to pay for a heavily braced 50 lb cabinet :D
 

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My problem with the PSA tower is its size.... i need to compromise on width/depth....

The PSA 210T is 11” W by 16” D.... i need a tower that is no wider than 8.5” or so and no deeper than 12” if i want to be able to move then inwards a little towards center and still be able to see the 2 side TVs.....

If they made a slimmer version it would be great....
Looks to me like the Chane A5.4 might be the solution for you.

The Klipsch towers are all too big other than the 2 way RP4000F which the 3 way Chane will handily outclass in terms of volume potential with its 3 way design and larger main drivers.
 

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Looks to me like the Chane A5.4 might be the solution for you.

The Klipsch towers are all too big other than the 2 way RP4000F which the 3 way Chane will handily outclass in terms of volume potential with its 3 way design and larger main drivers.
Right. The Chane 5.4, Sierra Towers, ML 40, possibly the Verus Grand Towers are all slimmer designs of 8" or less width.

The Chanes are by far the cheapest and possibly the best value? Sierra Towers/ ML 40s/ Verus Towers are all close to $1000/unit...
 

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Right. The Chane 5.4, Sierra Towers, ML 40, possibly the Verus Grand Towers are all slimmer designs of 8" or less width.

The Chanes are by far the cheapest and possibly the best value? Sierra Towers/ ML 40s/ Verus Towers are all close to $1000/unit...
While I love my Martin Logan LX16s I think the Chanes might be better.

The Martin Logan 40 measured very very poorly.

https://www.soundstage.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=834:nrc-measurements-martinlogan-motion-40-loudspeakers&catid=77:loudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=153

The Ascend Sierra 1 measure better as did the Aperion Verus bookshelf.

https://www.soundstage.com/measurements/speakers/ascend_sierra1/

https://www.soundstage.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=594:nrc-measurements-aperion-verus-grand-bookshelf-loudspeakers&catid=77&Itemid=153

But I still think based on AVS feeback that the Chane A5.4 might be the way to go.

Post in the Chane thread; some knowledgeable folks with a lot of prior quality speakers have stated the Chanes are the real deal.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1429229-official-chane-music-cinema-owner-s-thread.html

Very few pro reviews of Chanes out there, but this is an older one.

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-149-chane-a1rx-c-speaker-is-almost-too-good-to-be-true/
 

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Your HT looks really nice! Congrats!!!

How do you like the Triad's Bronze in wall surrounds and in-ceilings with the Aperion LCR?

Are the surrounds Bipole or Dipole? I know Triad lets you choose.

Other than the Triads what else did you consider for Surround/Atmos speakers?
Thank you sir! I really enjoy the space and love having an actual theater that has both the audio and video dialed in.

Regarding quality and how I like them...
-Aperion Verus Grands sound superb. I thought they sounded great before they were calibrated, however, after calibration with a miniDSP 10x10 for the LCR + subs, I couldn't believe the added audio clarity/quality. It helps that I have Outlaw amps powering them to really drive the kind of horsepower that allow them to play loud and clear.
-Triads (bipole) sound fantastic as well. I'm glad I didn't spend the additional dollars for the silvers as it would've been overkill for my space. They play plenty loud and clear.
-I was originally going to go with Aperion Audio inwall and inceling, however, since they were open baffle design, that wouldn't fit with my plans of decoupling the room and maximizing STC.
 
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