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I had been looking at installing a 110" Elite CineTension 2. I want to get the biggest possible screen I can. I've done the math and 110" fits very comfortably in my room. I was pricing screens and the 110" is a bit hard to get. The 120" is easy to get (it's on Amazon) and the price is cheaper than what I can currently find the 110" for. So am I crazy to attempt this? The projector is going to be the Epson 3010. The room is 17 1/2 feet long and 12 1/2 feet wide. The screen is going to drop down in front of my entertainment center. The entertainment center is out about 2 ft from the wall so the screen will be mounted about 6" in front of that. Throw distance looks OK in the Epson's manual. I figured the screen with the case and mounts could a minimum of 7" from the ceiling, and the bottom of the viewing area would be about 30" or so from the floor.


If I could pull this off it would be epic. This is my first projector setup and I want it to be awesome. Any words of wisdom from those with more experience than me would be much appreciated!
 

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I have a 120" wide 16:9 fixed screen.


What will your viewing distance be? That is the key. Check the angles etc.


To give you an idea, my ceiling is at 100" and my width is only 131" I think the bottom image is about 20" off the floor.


My ideal viewing distance is ~12' for 2D, closer for 3D.


I went from a 106" diagonal to this 138" diagonal (120" wide) when I wanted to get the AT screen. It is large... really large... and awesome. This is what I settled on while throwing various image sizes on the wall to determine size... that, and I can't physically fit a larger screen in the room!
 

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I'm a fan of Da-Lite's High Power material. Having some gain is especially welcome watching 3D since shutter glasses block most of the light. Images viewed on a standard matte white look dim & drab to my eye after viewing them on an HP. If you can accomodate the HP's requirement to keep the projector near eye level it's worth investigating. Contact the screen manufacturers you're considering & request fabric samples before you purchase.


AV Science carries Elite and Da-Lite screens. Once you've decided on a manufacturer and fabric, I recommend that you give Mike Garrett or one of the other AV Science sales folks a call to place your order. You'll get a good price and they'll go to bat for you with the manufacturer if your screen has problems.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/773065/high-power-a-review-part-1/0_40
https://shop.avscience.com/crm.asp?action=contactus
 

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The screen is 120" diagonal, 104.5 " wide. So optimal viewing distance is supposed to be 156" or 13'. I wouldn't mind being closer. We usually sit somewhat close to the screen in the theater, last row of the first section in our IMAX theater. I guess that's about row 10 or so. I don't mind moving my head a bit for the action. All theaters are a bit different. I can move the couch as far back as needed (I don't think the wife will care that much), well, up to 14' which would be up against the wall and under the pj. I've sort of been given the OK by the wife to do this. If it turns out awesome then she'll be thrilled. Angle is straight on. It's just the wife and I (no kids). We've thought about ditching the couch and getting 2 nice leather recliners. We do have some ambient light but it's been blocked and I can do more if I need to. We also don't really watch movies until dark.


The Epson 3010 is very bright, sometimes I see it called a light cannon in reviews. Even with 3D it's supposed to be bright.

The Da-Lite screens look nice but I didn't see any pull down screens from them. Plus they are a bit pricey. The 120" Elite screen has 1.1 gain and can be had for under $1000 from Amazon. The 110" will cost more than that.

I've thought about using the AV Science guys but that Amazon price seems hard to beat.


I'll have about 20" on either side of the screen for the front speakers, center will go below the screen.


This morning I noticed a used 3010 on B&H for around $1000. This would void Epson's warranty though. There's a place called Buy Squad that has a great price on the 3010. I've never heard or dealt with them before. Seller rating around the net looked OK though. Decisions, decisions...


EDIT- Grabbed the 3010 from B&H. It's a gamble but life is full of risks.
 

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120" with 8' ceiling crazy........hell no, I have a 7' ceiling with a 174".
 
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120" with 8' ceiling crazy........hell no, I have a 7' ceiling with a 174".



How do you have this set up?..?... or wait, better yet, pics? Is that it in your avy?
 

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Originally Posted by neveser  /t/1420431/120-screen-in-a-room-with-8ft-ceiling-crazy/0_40#post_22223420


The Da-Lite screens look nice but I didn't see any pull down screens from them. Plus they are a bit pricey. The 120" Elite screen has 1.1 gain and can be had for under $1000 from Amazon.


I've thought about using the AV Science guys but that Amazon price seems hard to beat.

Do a search for Da-Lite part number 79892. (Model C with CSR, 119 Inch Diag., High Power fabric) It's a manual pull down model and I'm guessing the AV Science folks would quote you a price well under the $1000 figure you're talking about. Whether you prefer the Da-Lite or an Elite, you won't know if AV Science can beat the Amazon price if you don't ask...
 

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Do a search for Da-Lite part number 79892. (Model C with CSR, 119 Inch Diag., High Power fabric) It's a manual pull down model and I'm guessing the AV Science folks would quote you a price well under the $1000 figure you're talking about. Whether you prefer the Da-Lite or an Elite, you won't know if AV Science can beat the Amazon price if you don't ask...

Wow, nice gain on that screen. From the description it doesn't sound like it would work out for me though. The projector will be ceiling mounted. It is certainly cheaper than the Eilte screen. I did some research and asked about the non-tensioned screens and what I found was that they will develop wrinkles at some point. The 2 year mark seemed to be the magic number. I did email Mike today and he told me was traveling at the moment but he'd check into it for me this evening.
 

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Most screens are vinyl and do benefit from tensioning. The HP screens are fiberglass and can't be tensioned.


Hope you find something that works out well for you. Good luck with your new home theater!
 

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Most screens are vinyl and do benefit from tensioning. The HP screens are fiberglass and can't be tensioned.
I'm not sure what the Elite screen is made from. All I do know is that it's CineWhite material with a 1.1 gain.

Do the fiberglass screens wrinkle with time?
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Hope you find something that works out well for you. Good luck with your new home theater!
Thank you! I need it.
 

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CineWhite is vinyl. I haven't had any wrinkle problems with my HP 2.4 (almost 2 years old). Some folks have reported seeing waves in their HP screens while the room lights are on, but this is rarely noticed during lights-off viewing due to the retro-reflective nature of the beast.
 

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How is your projector mounted? From reading the description of that Da-Lite screen, it made it sound like the projector needed to be mounted nearer the center of the screen. The 3010 has to be mounted on the ceiling or sitting on a table (which wouldn't work out well for a large screen size).


Why did you go with a screen that has such a high gain? Ambient light or the fact that it looks nice?
 

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For the HP it doesn't matter much where the pj is in relation to the screen. The pj should be mounted near your eyes. Light is sent back to the light source. If you read the first post of the High Power review link it explains the concept and mount limitations far better than I can.


The High-Power Screen Gain Calc in post 566 of this thread ( http://www.avsforum.com/t/1213577/da-lite-hi-power-new-or-old-what-did-you-get/560_40 ) will tell you precisely how much gain you can expect from an HP screen if you plug in your room info. IMO, even if your gain isn't optimal due to a poor mounting location it still may be worth going with an HP. If all your seating locations calculate out better than the 1.1 of the CineWhite, you're still getting some benefit from the HP. Later on if you upgrade to a projector with lens shift and can place the pj optimally, you'll get your plasma effect. PJ's come & go. A good screen will take care of your HT needs a lot longer.
 

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I exchanged a few emails with Mike and he thinks that I'll still get plenty of gain out of a Da-Lite HP even though the 3010 will be mounted up high.


I may go with an electric non-tensioned HP screen. Tensioned really drives the price up, out of my budget. Wife would kill me if I spent over $2000 on a screen!

I did read through a lot of posts from those that went that route. They really seem impressed by what the screen can do.
 

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^^^


excellent decision to talk with mike, i've bought several things from him, and as noted by another poster, if you have an issue, he will take care of it for you with the manufacturer...


unless you REALLY need an electric model, why not go for a manual one? it'll save you a pretty big chunk of change...


fwiw, i like my hp screen material a lot.... i also liked the hphc material i had before this, but unfortunately, it suffered "death by cat"...
at least the cat is the assumed perp...


question: where are your speakers going to go? keep in mind that they can't end up behind the screen...
 

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Congrats, neveser! Please update the thread with your viewing impressions after you've had a chance to check out your new screen.


Regarding your earlier question about why I got an HP, I have an RS60 & JVC pj's are a bit dim. I wanted enough brightness for 3D to be enjoyable. After viewing all the happy posts about the HP in the review thread I ordered samples of both the old 2.8 and the new 2.4 fabrics. (They were both available at the time I was debating the screen upgrade.) Both HP samples left images on my matte white looking drab in comparison. I chose the 2.4 because the material seemed more transparent. White looked pure white on the 2.4 while the 2.8 had a bit of a paisley effect, at least viewing right up close to the samples. The 2.4 also looked a bit better off-axis than the 2.8 to my eye so I went that route. I've been very happy with the material which is why I proselytize for it. I'm sure you'll be pleased, even with your non-optimal pj location.
 

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I am a big HP fan but I don't think your choice is optimal if you do not reposition your projector.

With it being ceiling mounted the HP is going to light up the ceiling. Light is sent back to where it came from with the retroreflective screen.. i.e. back at the projector ON THE CEILING.


The screen is great, but set up your projector properly.. yes it will work about the same as a utility gain screen with the projector on the ceiling.. Sort of defeats the purpose .. but at least you do have the option to fix it at a later date!!
 

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I am a big HP fan but I don't think your choice is optimal if you do not reposition your projector.

With it being ceiling mounted the HP is going to light up the ceiling. Light is sent back to where it came from with the retroreflective screen.. i.e. back at the projector ON THE CEILING.

The screen is great, but set up your projector properly.. yes it will work about the same as a utility gain screen with the projector on the ceiling.. Sort of defeats the purpose .. but at least you do have the option to fix it at a later date!!

I don't have much of a choice when it comes to the mounting location of the 3010. No lens shift. It has to be even with the bottom or the top of the screen. If I did tabletop, there's no way to fill a 120" screen, so it has to be ceiling.

If the light is thrown back at the ceiling... well... that would be bad. The ceiling is white.

Maybe I should call Da-Lite. I haven't heard from Mike today.


EDIT: it looks like what I need is either a reflective or diffusion type screen. HP mimics glass bead which is retroreflective.


2nd EDIT: I've found several posts from people who are using an HP screen with an Epson 3010. They seem to be loving it. However, I have found a few articles where the reviewer suggested that going HP with this projector is a bad idea... so much confusion! The projector will be here on Thursday. This screen selection process is turning out to be a real PIA!


I still need to order my new amp too. My current Onkyo doesn't support 3D.
 

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where are your speakers going to go? keep in mind that they can't end up behind the screen...
I have just enough room on the sides for the fronts, the center will go below the screen.
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unless you REALLY need an electric model, why not go for a manual one? it'll save you a pretty big chunk of change....
I've read that manual pulling down on the screen can contribute to waves, so I wanted to go electric to (hopefully) prevent that.
 
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