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2 x B&C 21" or 4 x Dayton Ultimax 18?

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Guys I need some help with deciding with which route to take re a new subwoofer project I have in mind.

Currently I have a single Dayton Ultimax 18 in a Mini Marty and whilst I have been happy with the output I get, I am after more :)

Unfortunately I can't really fit another Mini Marty in my room so I have decided to take a slightly different route.

Option 1: Buy 3 more additional Dayton Ultimax 18 inch subwoofer drivers and build 4 x sealed enclosures. 2 will be upfront and 2 will be behind my seating area. Boxes will be 23" tall, 20" wide and 20.75" deep

Option 2: Build 2 sealed boxes at 62cm x 62cm x 60cm deep for 2 x B&C 21 inch drivers DS115 or SW115. Both will be placed up front

Option 1 will give me 4 subs in different locations and Option 2 will give me 2 bigger subs (pro drivers) which will no doubt give me more mid bass slam that I like.

Would really appreciate your help and advice on this. Please find attached graph of both the B&C and the Dayton. The Dayton is black line and the B&C is the blue line.

Thank you in advance for all your help and advice


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Not sure what you need help with. You have the graphs and it seems as if you understand the pros and cons of each option. What is your question?
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Not sure what you need help with. You have the graphs and it seems as if you understand the pros and cons of each option. What is your question?
Went with the additional 3 x UM18s in the end as the boxes are much smaller and I will have better placement options with 4 subwoofers rather than two.

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Went with the additional 3 x UM18s in the end as the boxes are much smaller and I will have better placement options with 4 subwoofers rather than two.

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Uh oh :D. Have you used Multi Sub Optimizer before? How are you going to integrate them all (phase, distance etc.)?
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Guys I need some help with deciding with which route to take re a new subwoofer project I have in mind.

Currently I have a single Dayton Ultimax 18 in a Mini Marty and whilst I have been happy with the output I get, I am after more :)

Unfortunately I can't really fit another Mini Marty in my room so I have decided to take a slightly different route.

Option 1: Buy 3 more additional Dayton Ultimax 18 inch subwoofer drivers and build 4 x sealed enclosures. 2 will be upfront and 2 will be behind my seating area. Boxes will be 23" tall, 20" wide and 20.75" deep

Option 2: Build 2 sealed boxes at 62cm x 62cm x 60cm deep for 2 x B&C 21 inch drivers DS115 or SW115. Both will be placed up front

Option 1 will give me 4 subs in different locations and Option 2 will give me 2 bigger subs (pro drivers) which will no doubt give me more mid bass slam that I like.

Would really appreciate your help and advice on this. Please find attached graph of both the B&C and the Dayton. The Dayton is black line and the B&C is the blue line.

Thank you in advance for all your help and advice


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I like option 3 better, 4 sealed 21's :D
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Uh oh :D. Have you used Multi Sub Optimizer before? How are you going to integrate them all (phase, distance etc.)?
Well I have never used MSO before but wad hoping to do this with REW and then my room optimisation. Do you recommend MSO instead? Is there anywhere you cam direct me video or link to read regarding MSO? Thank you

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I like option 3 better, 4 sealed 21's :D
Ahahaha if only I could then that would have been my only option lol but I think 4 x 18s would be a very decent compromise.

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Quick question if any of the DIY guys can assist I would appreciate it. I was thinking of using pocket holes to join the top and bottom panels to the side panels and then all the panels to the bottom base of the sub woofer along with wood glue. Will this be OK? I mean will pocket hole and screws cause any issues? All the pocket holes and screws will all be internal so will be withing inside the subwoofer and gorilla wood glue will also be used on every joint. Thank you




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Quick question if any of the DIY guys can assist I would appreciate it. I was thinking of using pocket holes to join the top and bottom panels to the side panels and then all the panels to the bottom base of the sub woofer along with wood glue. Will this be OK? I mean will pocket hole and screws cause any issues? All the pocket holes and screws will all be internal so will be withing inside the subwoofer and gorilla wood glue will also be used on every joint. Thank you




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Pocket holes are awesome - proceed as planned. They make gluing up much easier and less stressful when you know the wood isn't going to slide in the clamps!
Just keep in mind where you are putting screws in case you want to do roundovers on the box as you don't want to do any roundovers where you have screws.
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Pocket holes are awesome - proceed as planned. They make gluing up much easier and less stressful when you know the wood isn't going to slide in the clamps!

Just keep in mind where you are putting screws in case you want to do roundovers on the box as you don't want to do any roundovers where you have screws.
Thank you the thing is I was actually going to do round over all over the box. So does that mean I shouldn't use pocket holes? I don't rally want to take any risks as I'm building 4 so it maybe best to play it safe and just use glue and clamps

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2 x B&C 21" or 4 x Dayton Ultimax 18?

Thank you the thing is I was actually going to do round over all over the box. So does that mean I shouldn't use pocket holes? I don't rally want to take any risks as I'm building 4 so it maybe best to play it safe and just use glue and clamps

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Depends on the size of the roundover.
If theres any question, run a test.
Put two scrap pieces together with 3 or 4 pocket holes and glue. Let dry and remove screws. Run roundover and see if you hit the screw holes.

I’m planning my first pocket hole build and will be running roundovers as well. I’ll only use a 1/2 or 3/8 roundover, so I’m not worried. Will run a test anyway.

Chris


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One thing to keep in mind when using pocket screws. 3/4" wood is rarely 3/4" thick, usually a little less. To avoid screw heads poking out, use settings/screws for 5/8" instead.
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