82" 3 chip LCOS...24k
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2006 Mitsu line
Does any one know anything about the new Mits Displays? Would like to see 1080 p Triple chip in a 62-70" set.
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Hi irishrulze,
Since you seem to know what Mitsubishi is going to do with their 2005 models, do you have any insight as to IF Mitsubishi is going to have the 73" CRT RPTV in its new model line-up, and, if so, in what series will the 73" be in the new model year.
For the present year, as I am sure you know, they only had the 73" in the "600" series, ie, the 73615. I am really thinking hard about getting "One last CRT RPTV", but I was hoping Mitsubishi would come out with a new current version of the 73" in the 700 or 800 series. Any light you could shed on the next model year of the 73" would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
| Originally posted by irishrulze 82" 3 chip LCOS...24k |
Since you seem to know what Mitsubishi is going to do with their 2005 models, do you have any insight as to IF Mitsubishi is going to have the 73" CRT RPTV in its new model line-up, and, if so, in what series will the 73" be in the new model year.
For the present year, as I am sure you know, they only had the 73" in the "600" series, ie, the 73615. I am really thinking hard about getting "One last CRT RPTV", but I was hoping Mitsubishi would come out with a new current version of the 73" in the 700 or 800 series. Any light you could shed on the next model year of the 73" would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
I have been inquiring about this as well.( I think it may be axed from the product line) But, Mits is like Fort Knox until they have their product road show for dealers only. I have heard that there may only be 2 lines in the CRT-RP this year which would not be hard to believe since seeing the way the industry is going. I plan on seeing an entry level and a Diamond line this year only. Which honestly is a breath of fresh air, having 6 different RPTV's with little changes between them is frustrating to the consumer to say the least. Let me check with some sources and I will get back to you.
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Thanks, Irishrulze. I appreciate it. Remember, I am only interested in the the 73" line of the CRTs, and they only had one series of them this last year (the 73615). What I am hoping against hope is that Mitsubishi will do one Last Hurrah for the 73", and will come out with a 738xx one last time.
Again, Thanks.
| Originally posted by irishrulze Let me check with some sources and I will get back to you. |
Again, Thanks.
Ok, hot off the press...Mits will only have one CRT line this coming product year. It will probably be a Medallion line and they will have a 73" set. Ther are some other goodies coming out from Mits as well...Can't tell ya what but look for a 72" as well...(not CRT)
ps-Got info from my Mits rep.
ps-Got info from my Mits rep.
I don't remember where, but I read somewhere that Mits will only have 2 lines of CRT this year...most likely a 31x series and either a 61x or a Diamond series. I would imagine the 73" will be in limited production again this year...It seems that Mits has been trying to kill it for the last two seasons.
If they make it (I'm sure this TV is more trouble to make then the rest, what with mylar and the 9" CRT's and the rest) it'll most likely be a one series shot....but who knows, Mits has suprised in the past. A "Best 73" Ever) line would be pretty cool, but probobly not practical
What I do know, is that we will see Mits make the proverbial "shift" from a CRT-big screen specialist to a company that is focused on microdisplay for the long haul. I would wager they will make more models of DLP than CRT...probobly at least double the # if not even more.
Just my thoughts....
If they make it (I'm sure this TV is more trouble to make then the rest, what with mylar and the 9" CRT's and the rest) it'll most likely be a one series shot....but who knows, Mits has suprised in the past. A "Best 73" Ever) line would be pretty cool, but probobly not practical
What I do know, is that we will see Mits make the proverbial "shift" from a CRT-big screen specialist to a company that is focused on microdisplay for the long haul. I would wager they will make more models of DLP than CRT...probobly at least double the # if not even more.
Just my thoughts....
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Hi Irishrulze,
I just heard from another source that the ONLY 73" 2005 Mits (x17 series) will be in the Gold, rather than the Medallion series (ie, it will be a 73517, rather than a 73617 [or 717 or 817]).
The Mits site isn't very clear. Can anyone tell me the difference between a 5xx and a 6xx (Gold series verses Medallion series)?
And, SECONDLY, since the 73615 already has HDMI, what advantage could a 73517 have over a 73615?
| Originally posted by irishrulze Ok, hot off the press...Mits will only have one CRT line this coming product year. It will probably be a Medallion line and they will have a 73" set. Ther are some other goodies coming out from Mits as well...Can't tell ya what but look for a 72" as well...(not CRT) ps-Got info from my Mits rep. |
I just heard from another source that the ONLY 73" 2005 Mits (x17 series) will be in the Gold, rather than the Medallion series (ie, it will be a 73517, rather than a 73617 [or 717 or 817]).
The Mits site isn't very clear. Can anyone tell me the difference between a 5xx and a 6xx (Gold series verses Medallion series)?
And, SECONDLY, since the 73615 already has HDMI, what advantage could a 73517 have over a 73615?
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Hi irishrulze,
No, that is not it. Both the xx615 and the xx515 have gray cabinets and CableCard slots.
So that doesn't explain the differences between the 5xx (Gold) and the 6xx (Medallion) models in general, nor does it suggest any possible real difference between the current 73615 and the upcoming 73517.
| Originally posted by irishrulze cable card compatibility??? |
No, that is not it. Both the xx615 and the xx515 have gray cabinets and CableCard slots.
So that doesn't explain the differences between the 5xx (Gold) and the 6xx (Medallion) models in general, nor does it suggest any possible real difference between the current 73615 and the upcoming 73517.
Are you looking at 04-05? Current models are 513,615,713.
05-06 models aren't out yet and when they do come out I have been told there will only be 1 73 inch and will fall into the Medallion series.
05-06 models aren't out yet and when they do come out I have been told there will only be 1 73 inch and will fall into the Medallion series.
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Hi Irishrulze,
No, the current (04-05) 73" falls into the Medallion series - the current 73615. I now have it from a good source that the 05-06 model will be a 73517, or Gold series. I can't help but think that there will be little, if any difference between the 04-05 Medallion (73615) that is currently out and a 05-06 Gold (73517), since both the Gold and Medallion have the gray cabinets and both the Current Gold and Medallion have HDMI and CableCard.
| Originally posted by irishrulze Are you looking at 04-05? Current models are 513,615,713. 05-06 models aren't out yet and when they do come out I have been told there will only be 1 73 inch and will fall into the Medallion series. |
No, the current (04-05) 73" falls into the Medallion series - the current 73615. I now have it from a good source that the 05-06 model will be a 73517, or Gold series. I can't help but think that there will be little, if any difference between the 04-05 Medallion (73615) that is currently out and a 05-06 Gold (73517), since both the Gold and Medallion have the gray cabinets and both the Current Gold and Medallion have HDMI and CableCard.
Just got email confirmation from Mitsubishi, there will only be one line of CRT from them this coming product model...it will be named the Medallion line with a 48-73" screen sizes. Hope that helps. Supposed to have CC, integrated, netcommand, quad field focus...think the cabinet will stay the same with the removable diamond shield.
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Hi Irishrulze,
Thanks for all our efforts to help me find out what is going to happen with the 05-06 73" Mits.
Since they are only going to have one series of CRTs for 05-06, and since I have it from a good source that the 05-06 73" is going to be the 73517, and since it appears that Mitsubishi isn't going to invest in further development of the CRT RPTVs (all of the features you mentioned are in the current 73615), I can see where that one line of CRTs for 05-06 could Be designated xx517s, Be called Medallion series, AND Have no further innovations from the current 73615.
Again, Thanks
| Originally posted by irishrulze Just got email confirmation from Mitsubishi, there will only be one line of CRT from them this coming product model...it will be named the Medallion line with a 48-73" screen sizes. Hope that helps. Supposed to have CC, integrated, netcommand, quad field focus...think the cabinet will stay the same with the removable diamond shield. |
Thanks for all our efforts to help me find out what is going to happen with the 05-06 73" Mits.
Since they are only going to have one series of CRTs for 05-06, and since I have it from a good source that the 05-06 73" is going to be the 73517, and since it appears that Mitsubishi isn't going to invest in further development of the CRT RPTVs (all of the features you mentioned are in the current 73615), I can see where that one line of CRTs for 05-06 could Be designated xx517s, Be called Medallion series, AND Have no further innovations from the current 73615.
Again, Thanks
jimwa,
It looks like you should call around and check the internet for a 73713. It seems this will be the best 73" they will ever make. I have one, it is fabulous.
It looks like you should call around and check the internet for a 73713. It seems this will be the best 73" they will ever make. I have one, it is fabulous.
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Bill, besides the nicer cabinet, what does the 73713 have over the 73615?
The 73615 has CableCard, an HDMI input, and AMVP2 (as opposed to the original AMVP).
| Originally posted by Bill jimwa, It looks like you should call around and check the internet for a 73713. It seems this will be the best 73" they will ever make. I have one, it is fabulous. |
The 73615 has CableCard, an HDMI input, and AMVP2 (as opposed to the original AMVP).
It has "Tru-Focus" lenses, 9" "microfine" CRTs, native 480p display, yes amvp instead of amvp2 (I think this has to do with the 480p). All I can think of right now. I'm sure you can find the differences on Mits web site. It doesn't have cable card but you'll be getting a DVR anyway.
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Actually, Bill, the 73615 has all this stuff too, except it upconverts everything to 1080i, just as the 65" Diamond series (65815) does. I think it has to do with the x15 chassis. So, I don't think that the 73713 does have any advantages over the 73615, at least none that are apparent from the Mits web site
| Originally posted by Bill It has "Tru-Focus" lenses, 9" "microfine" CRTs, native 480p display, yes amvp instead of amvp2 (I think this has to do with the 480p). All I can think of right now. I'm sure you can find the differences on Mits web site. It doesn't have cable card but you'll be getting a DVR anyway. |
Compare the PDF "Product Specificatin" links. It has EDF lenses, not "Tru-Focus" lenses and not the Microfine 3" CRTs as stated on the 73713 specs. Not upconverting DVDs to 1080i is better in a lot of peoples opinions, and mine also. http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televisions/types.asp?id=6
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Hi Bill,
I think what you are observing is just the difference (and apparent decrease) in the amount of information Mitsubishi is presenting in their x13 (03-04) series and their x15 (04-05) series DATA SHEETS. Even the 73713 data sheet shows "Focus System...Electronic Dynamic" (ie, EDF). "Tru-focus" is only Mits marketing gobbly-****. The 65" Diamond series 65815 has the same chassis as the 73615, and the 65815's main page DOES say "tru-focus lenses", while neither the 65815 nor the 73615's data sheets do. Again, just look at the way Mitsubishi cut back in the amount of data laid out on all data sheets from the x13 (03-04) series to the newer x15 (04-05) series. They certainly did not change the 9" guns between the x13 and the x15 lines and put a lesser gun in the Diamond series. Again, they just cut back in the amount of data, in this case the "microfine" Marketing gobbly-****.
Unless someone knows actual facts better than I, I would state that ALL the 9" gun x13 chassis were the same, and ALL the 9" gun x15 chassis were the same, and that the real differences between the x13 and x15 chassis were that the x13 chassis had a DVI input, had AMVP1, and did 480p natively, while the x15 chassis had HDMI and CableCard inputs, had AMVP2, and upscaled everything to 1080i. The other differences you mentioned were really due to the change in style of the data sheets between model years.
It would be hard to say that HDMI, CableCard or AMVP2 were less desirable that their predecessors. As to whether not upconverting everything to 1080i is a determent or not, I will let others debate, but all the 9" guns chassis in the x15 model year do it, including the 65" Diamond series, so it sounds like Mitsubishi thought it was an advancement.
I really like the gloss black of the 8xx series and even the faux burl of the 7xx series, and I sort of hate the gray of the 6xx series, but I want to replace my old Toshiba 65" RPTV in my living room with one last big CRT (and a fp won't work), while I wait to see some more improvements in bigger RPTVs, and the gray of the 73615 will be mostly hidden by my rather large Rosewood ProAc Response 4 speakers and the 73615 will nicely hold my heavy Rosewood ATC 20 SL center channel, so I guess I can live with the gray. I can't find a 73713 locally, anyway, but I can get a good local package price on a 73615 that includes installation, setup, a 5-year extended warranty and annual ISF calibrations, so, since I can't see any performance advantages of the 73713 over the 73615, and I don't want the hassle of installing and keeping a 400 lb TV calibrated, I would rather have the one-stop local package.
I do have a Sharp Aquos 37" LCD panel in my den and a Toshiba 62HM94 DLP in my bedroom, so I know the other technologies, and I did consider a Qualia 006 to replace my Toshiba CRT, but, at over $14,000 (with tax), the 006 is a bit much while these new technologies mature. A couple of years ago, Mitsubishi charged $13,000 for a Diamond series 73" with the external HD tuner. I could get THREE 73615s for that now. I think a 73615 will give me several years of good viewing, and by that time an IMPROVED Qualia or an SED or a three chip improved LARGE DLP probably could be had for less than the cost of the 006 today, even after adding in the cost of the 73615 now. I have spent most of my life on the "bleeding edge", and, for once, I think I will go the smarter route.
| Originally posted by Bill I don't see tru-focus lenses, it has EDF lenses, or microfine CRTs. Not upconverting DVDs to 1080i is better in a lot of peoples opinions, and mine also. |
I think what you are observing is just the difference (and apparent decrease) in the amount of information Mitsubishi is presenting in their x13 (03-04) series and their x15 (04-05) series DATA SHEETS. Even the 73713 data sheet shows "Focus System...Electronic Dynamic" (ie, EDF). "Tru-focus" is only Mits marketing gobbly-****. The 65" Diamond series 65815 has the same chassis as the 73615, and the 65815's main page DOES say "tru-focus lenses", while neither the 65815 nor the 73615's data sheets do. Again, just look at the way Mitsubishi cut back in the amount of data laid out on all data sheets from the x13 (03-04) series to the newer x15 (04-05) series. They certainly did not change the 9" guns between the x13 and the x15 lines and put a lesser gun in the Diamond series. Again, they just cut back in the amount of data, in this case the "microfine" Marketing gobbly-****.
Unless someone knows actual facts better than I, I would state that ALL the 9" gun x13 chassis were the same, and ALL the 9" gun x15 chassis were the same, and that the real differences between the x13 and x15 chassis were that the x13 chassis had a DVI input, had AMVP1, and did 480p natively, while the x15 chassis had HDMI and CableCard inputs, had AMVP2, and upscaled everything to 1080i. The other differences you mentioned were really due to the change in style of the data sheets between model years.
It would be hard to say that HDMI, CableCard or AMVP2 were less desirable that their predecessors. As to whether not upconverting everything to 1080i is a determent or not, I will let others debate, but all the 9" guns chassis in the x15 model year do it, including the 65" Diamond series, so it sounds like Mitsubishi thought it was an advancement.
I really like the gloss black of the 8xx series and even the faux burl of the 7xx series, and I sort of hate the gray of the 6xx series, but I want to replace my old Toshiba 65" RPTV in my living room with one last big CRT (and a fp won't work), while I wait to see some more improvements in bigger RPTVs, and the gray of the 73615 will be mostly hidden by my rather large Rosewood ProAc Response 4 speakers and the 73615 will nicely hold my heavy Rosewood ATC 20 SL center channel, so I guess I can live with the gray. I can't find a 73713 locally, anyway, but I can get a good local package price on a 73615 that includes installation, setup, a 5-year extended warranty and annual ISF calibrations, so, since I can't see any performance advantages of the 73713 over the 73615, and I don't want the hassle of installing and keeping a 400 lb TV calibrated, I would rather have the one-stop local package.
I do have a Sharp Aquos 37" LCD panel in my den and a Toshiba 62HM94 DLP in my bedroom, so I know the other technologies, and I did consider a Qualia 006 to replace my Toshiba CRT, but, at over $14,000 (with tax), the 006 is a bit much while these new technologies mature. A couple of years ago, Mitsubishi charged $13,000 for a Diamond series 73" with the external HD tuner. I could get THREE 73615s for that now. I think a 73615 will give me several years of good viewing, and by that time an IMPROVED Qualia or an SED or a three chip improved LARGE DLP probably could be had for less than the cost of the 006 today, even after adding in the cost of the 73615 now. I have spent most of my life on the "bleeding edge", and, for once, I think I will go the smarter route.
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