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2007 laser based tv to challenge plasma?

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I like that it has a wider color gamut, and uses less power. The Pocket Projector system reminds me of R2D2 projecting Princess Leah.

http://www.iwantmyess.com/wp-content...ion120x175.jpg http://www.novalux.com/assets/images...projection.jpg
Now that sounds more promising than anything yet.. Makes me not want to buy a new lcd now but, I need one.
Amazing! Hopefully the manufacturers are able to stick to the 12/2007 release dates unlike the SED technology which has been pushed back a number of times already
If they can really make the projector that small, they will no doubt have them incorporated into cell phones in no time. Forget the built in MP3 player, you can have a full blown projector
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I like that it has a wider color gamut, and uses less power. The Pocket Projector system reminds me of R2D2 projecting Princess Leah.
LOL... Too funny!


Justin
Rear projection displays historically have lacked depth and "thereness" so typical of plasmas, not to mention serious problems with off-center viewing. This technology sounds promising but I will want to see it for myself before hopping on the bandwagon. At least it does not appear to have so many manufacturing potholes that SED has encountered. It should come to market on schedule I suspect.
It looks like this is more geared towards the RP market and they still have a few issues to resolve. Based on the following comments I would not expect to see this by the end of next year.

http://proav.pubdyn.com/2006_June/Ju...rallaxView.htm


"So it’s all positive, right? Not exactly. The price we pay for the tightly focused coherent light from a laser is speckle, a shifting, grain-like optical interference pattern that’s the signature of a laser light source. If you’ve ever been to a laser light show at a planetarium, or seen laser text and images projected, you know what speckle is and how distracting it can be.


To successfully implement a laser light engine, we’ve got to eliminate as much speckle as possible. It’s even more of a problem with rear-projection TVs, as their screens already have a grain-like micro lens structure that creates optical beat frequencies with the ever-shifting speckle from the laser.


Sure enough, the Mitsubishi demo projector had plenty of speckle, particularly when saturated colors such as green were being shown. Several members of the press standing near me at the demo noticed the combination of grain and speckle and commented on how soft the HD images looked, as well as the unearthly shades of red and green solid colors that were seen.


How do you get rid of speckle? By diffusing the laser’s beam as much as possible. Of course, it’s no longer coherent as a result, which means the light output drops off considerably. (You can’t get something for nothing!)


Back in 1998, I took a trip to Portsmouth, NH, to visit the offices of the Corporation for Optical Laser Research (COLOR), a company that, at the time, had a subsidy from Sony to develop a practical light engine for a cinema-grade projector. The lasers would work in conjunction with a light modulator known as the grating light valve, or GLV. (Remember the GLV?)


I was shown, among other things, a room with a 9- by 12-foot optical bench, loaded with diffusers and mirrors, focusing red, green, and blue laser beams into the combining prism of a Sony XGA-resolution LCD projector. By the time the image got to the screen, it was largely free of speckle, had saturated colors — and wasn’t terribly bright.


Not all that impressive, considering the wall of 6-foot-tall rack units powering and controlling the lasers. (Remember, I said laser illumination for projectors was possible back then, not necessarily practical.) Effectively, the COLOR engineers had created the world’s largest portable LCD projector.


The Mitsubishi line show demo, if nothing else, generated lots of good PR for the company. As to its claim that the product would be at retail by the fourth quarter of 2007, I’d have to be pretty skeptical. Aside from the speckle issue, lasers are considered hazardous because their coherent light can literally cook your retina if you stare directly at them.


That means the laser imaging assembly would have to be completely sealed and accessible only by the factory. Considering the power supply and lasers for the Mitsubishi demo weren’t even inside the ultra-slim 10-inch RPTV cabinet, but located below it in a large black box with numerous cooling fans, there are other packaging issues to be addressed before this product is marketable.


Novalux isn’t the only company showing demonstrations of laser engines. Photonics giant Coherent Inc. recently exhibited at the UDSC-Needham Investment Conference in New York City in March, and had hacked together a laser projection engine for a Samsung 52-inch DLP RPTV. The green laser was a straight diode design, while the red and blue lasers were pumped. It, too, took up the insides of a large support chassis with cooling fans positioned under the TV.


The Coherent/Samsung demo did away with the standard multi-segment color wheel, which also removed the single-chip DLP rainbow artifact I find so distracting. I didn’t see the rainbow during the Mitsubishi demo either, and am guessing it was also using sequential laser color illumination with a fast refresh rate, as its presentation slides illustrated.


One other issue with laser color: Both of these demonstrations talked about the laser’s ability to far exceed the NTSC color gamut. In fact, the green, red, and blue coordinates of lasers at 620, 530, and 460 nanometers create a color space almost equal to the visible color gamut! All fine and dandy, except that the program material being displayed on these TVs is coded into specific color spaces that are much smaller, such as REC 709 and SMPTE-C.


So it doesn’t do any good to exceed the level of green by a magnitude of two or three, nor does it make much sense to push reds into candy-apple territory on such a TV. The smart move is to make sure all of the colors within a specific gamut (and that could include the new DCI cinema color space) are reproduced accurately, something that obviously wasn’t happening during the Mitsubishi demo.


So, is there a laser projection engine in your future? That depends. You’ll probably see LEDs pick up the slack sooner, as short-arc mercury lamps are phased out. It’s true that LEDs aren’t terribly energy-efficient, but they don’t suffer from speckle, and are naturally diffuse illuminants with specific color wavelengths. Four companies showed LED rear-projection TVs at CES 2006, and that’s four times as many that showed a laser product."
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This would be a real boon to projection, with DLP the having a bit more to gain than either LCD and Lcos, if it works as advertised. In DLP the laser lets you get rid of the colorwheel, the biggest reliability issue and the largest contributor to RBE. With continuous RGB light it allows a very high refresh rate, it should allow a refresh rate of 10x or greater colorwheel equivalent, as well as higer brightness. Good news for DLP. Increased lifespan, the laser emitters can run at 100% power for 1 million hours before reaching 80% output level. No more $400 bulb changes. Not to mention the DLP will be able to drop in price by a significant amount. The laser assembly is claimed to be 50% cheaper to produce than a lamp assembly, and DLP can drop the colorwheel and it's drive electronics.


More good news for Front Projections in general is twofold. There are several opportunities to improve ambient light rejection in Front projection screens.


1) First is pretty simple, since the laser generates polarized light, a screen with a simple polarizer aligned to the projector's polarized light orientation should reject over 50% or ambient light while reflecting close to 100% of the projected light. My polarizer assumptions may be 180 degrees out, or totally out in left field...


2) In addition, since the laser only lases at a very specific frequency... you can design a screen to reflect light in three very close wavelength windows. The screen will appear black until light of the the appropriate wavelength strikes it. Novalux laser emitts the following; blue (460-nm), green (532-nm) and red (620 to 635-nm), with a spectral width of 1-2 nm. design the screen to reflect blue from 458-462nm (4nm window) and do the same with green and red and you now have deep blacks and vivid projected colors.


Combine 1 and 2 for even deeper blacks...


Will this screen be expensive? YES! Will it produce a fantastic image at 100" when paired with a Laser driven front projector? ABSOLUTELY! Will it cost less than a 104" Plasma? Most definitely...


From reading the Novalux website, the only holdup is a 4 fold increase in Red laser emitter output. They are certain they can reach this milestone and be in production (they have their own small capacity 4 inch GaAs fab that can produce around 10,000 lasers a day) within a year. This is of course contingent on them executing to plan, and achieving both Red laser output and high wafer yields. Since I work in semiconductor myself, I know that doesn't always happen.


Very exciting times ahead for both flat panel and projection TV's


Take a look at Lasers in Projection Page 15 shows drawings comparing colorwheel/UHP DLP projection to Novalux DLP projection.

Displaysearch 2006

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Gregory Niven of Novalux discussed laser illumination, another technology being touted as a light source for PTVs though it's over a year away from commercial realization. Lasers, he argued, will last indefinitely with no change over time, may be designed with lumen output scalable to very high levels, including the 20,000 Lumens or higher needed for D-Cinema. It also boasts a wide viewing angle, high contrast, a wide color gamut, low power requirements, reduced weight, and, presumably in production quantities, lower cost. He predicted that 7-10 companies are likely to show laser display prototypes at the January 2007 CES, with commercial designs becoming available by the end of 2007.
They appear to be looking to replace the light source and path in DMD and 3LCD projection displays, this should be fairly quick to market.

Epson and Novalux

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Projection TVs using these new technologies will have the following advantages:

* High picture quality

High power and narrow illumination angles will deliver striking brightness and contrast. Superb images will become possible as the new technology will boast improved color reproduction compared to conventional UHP lamps currently used in projection TVs.

* Long life

Improved lifetime would eliminate the need for the lamp replacement that is the case with current projectors

* Wide color gamut

Considerably expanding the color space, as compared with UHP lamps, will achieve excellent expression with sharp colors.

*High responsiveness

Prompt turn-on and off capability, as compared with many other products currently available.

* Low cost

The new laser light source module will eliminate the need for polarizers and color filters, and will allow for a simplified optical structure to realize lower cost.
Novalux display applications

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AFFORDABLE

Our platform reduces light engine cost on several levels:


* Necsel light sources are more affordable than current pricing of UHP lamps.


* Our sources enable simpler, smaller, less costly light engines. With DLPâ„¢ systems, our technology eliminates the need for a color wheel, light tunnel and relay optics. For 3LCD engines, we eliminate the polarizers, color filters, turning mirrors and fly eye lenses.


* They enable less costly microdisplay panels. Our sources project all of their light onto even the smallest microdisplays without a reduction in coupling efficiency. Reducing microdisplay size reduces their cost.


* Our low étendue sources emit at narrow angles, allowing simpler, more affordable projection optics.
As with anything, time to market, price and side effects like screen door, rainbows, lumens on screen all affect the possibility of grabbing market share. There is a big difference working and becoming a commercial success; I'm sure this will work, but be successful? Who Knows... Either way, this looks pretty promising in thin RPTV as well as FP. Cool times we live in indeed.
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Looking at the info on Arasors tech, it looks like this doesn't use any other micro-device, it is a laser modulation system. It is not a mere light source, it is also the detail source as well. It will be very interesting to find out exactly how this works.
Not bad.


I have dumb question, though. Are these "laser" TV's basically RPT sets, but using lasers instead of bulbs or LEDs?
Nothing to see here folks, move on:


"The prototype showed in Sydney is basically a DLP TV with the laser technology replacing the light bulb - only minor tweaks had been done to account for the wider spectrum of the laser.


The DLP or rear projection TVs are big and clunky because the optoelectronics engine that drives them is made of discrete components including a huge high power lamp. The optical chips (used in Laser TV) simply integrate all those separate components together into a chip, and that takes out the manual labor, cost and bulk.


The laser doesn't make the TV any higher resolution, it’s main benefit are that it delivers twice as much colour as a plasma or LCD TV. The Laser TV gives you almost the full color spectrum that you see in real life, and the contrast in things like fleshtones, deep blues & reds, and also rich yellows really jump out at you because you've never seen them before on a TV. That's why it looks better and brighter than plasma or LCD. It’s twice the colour that gives the real life rich content experience.


Laser TVs won’t come onto the market for at least another year, if not slipping into 2008, and will initially be best suited for larger displays of 50- to 60-inches and up ... If the room you want to put your TV in isn’t large enough to fit a 50- or 60-inch screen comfortably, a Laser TV or any other TV at that size won’t be on your shopping list."
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Not bad.


I have dumb question, though. Are these "laser" TV's basically RPT sets, but using lasers instead of bulbs or LEDs?
Yep, like DLP, but much less bulky.
Possible Laser Scam Alert: Smarthouse.com has a news article dated Wed.10/18/2006. They cite Mitsubishi as saying that they were not invited to the Laser TV demo by Arasor in Sydney Australia, and despite a Mitsubishi panel being used, they do not know anything about the product. Arasor is trying to raise funding, but they did not allow anyone present to examine any of the internal workings of the Demo set. Larry Marshall, the Arasor honco has not responded to attempts to contact him about the Mitsubishi denial. Read the article folks: It looks like the demo might have been a sham, and that the people behind it might be just trying to pull off a financial flim-flam.
And then there was another... The vast majority of "announcements" out of are nothing more than attempts to raise financing.


This is disappointing, to say the least, but not surprising. The fact that on the one hand the laser might not be finished within a year and on the other hand Mits and Samsung were supposed to ship products next year (both statements of the Aussie company) seemed to add up poorly.
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To successfully implement a laser light engine, we’ve got to eliminate as much speckle as possible. It’s even more of a problem with rear-projection TVs, as their screens already have a grain-like micro lens structure that creates optical beat frequencies with the ever-shifting speckle from the laser.
Are they serious? Adding speckle to SSE to end up with beat frequencies between the "grain" structures? Talk about making a problem worse :confused: :confused: .
Folks: You are discussing a product that is probably just a scam. Mitsubishi is disavowing having any connection with Arasor, or the product. Arasor head, Marshall is not returning calls, to answer questions. Most of their listed offices appear to be shell operations.


You can read the entire article today at Smarthouse.com.
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Possible Laser Scam Alert: Smarthouse.com has a news article dated Wed.10/18/2006. They cite Mitsubishi as saying that they were not invited to the Laser TV demo by Arasor in Sydney Australia, and despite a Mitsubishi panel being used, they do not know anything about the product. Arasor is trying to raise funding, but they did not allow anyone present to examine any of the internal workings of the Demo set. Larry Marshall, the Arasor honco has not responded to attempts to contact him about the Mitsubishi denial. Read the article folks: It looks like the demo might have been a sham, and that the people behind it might be just trying to pull off a financial flim-flam.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding but Arasor provides only a component part of the Novalux developed laser.


Novalux is a US based company and reading this PR, they showed a demo unit at CES 2006.

http://www.novalux.com/company/press.php?release=5
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Folks: You are discussing a product that is probably just a scam. Mitsubishi is disavowing having any connection with Arasor, or the product. Arasor head, Marshall is not returning calls, to answer questions. Most of their listed offices appear to be shell operations.


You can read the entire article today at Smarthouse.com.
Can you post a link to that article,I could not turn anything up.


FWIW-a CNET article with more details....

http://cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250,339271573,00.htm
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