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I've heard that too. My wife hated that movie so I'm not sure how excited she'd be to rent it again. But I do know that if I'm going to be bothered by RBE, I want it to happen while I can still return it so I'll consider doing that.

"The Man Who Never Was" is another good movie to use. We watched "Sin City" and didn't see rainbows. My wife saw one rainbow when we watched "The Man Who Never Was".


In both cases we were using a "back light" and there was a dim light around the corner. A totally dark room isn't a good idea for other reasons.
 

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"The Man Who Never Was" is another good movie to use. We watched "Sin City" and didn't see rainbows. My wife saw one rainbow when we watched "The Man Who Never Was".


In both cases we were using a "back light" and there was a dim light around the corner. A totally dark room isn't a good idea for other reasons.

I live in AZ and the newer homes are very open and airy so there is a lot of ambient light floating around during the day. Hopefully that won't be a major issue. I'll have to check out that movie for testing purposes.


Are you using that 65k worklight from Walmart? If not, what are you using? I read that someone around here was using a light from Walmart with good results and I was considering picking it up if I knew what it was called.
 

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nice look'n TV... I like the streamlined case - finally a "smart" design - less is more!!

The form factor was very impressive. It is literally the anti-SXRD in terms of form factor.
 

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Nice get. I would really like to hear more about this TV. I've been on the fence for quite a while trying to decide on a TV around 60". I am torn between the Samsung 61" and the upcoming Sony 60A2000.


My priorities are: Picture Quality, 1080p input, somewhat reasonable price


Do you think the picture quality on this Mitsubishi is as good as the Samsung and/or the current Sony SXRD?
 

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Nice get. I would really like to hear more about this TV. I've been on the fence for quite a while trying to decide on a TV around 60". I am torn between the Samsung 61" and the upcoming Sony 60A2000.


My priorities are: Picture Quality, 1080p input, somewhat reasonable price


Do you think the picture quality on this Mitsubishi is as good as the Samsung and/or the current Sony SXRD?

Well, I only spent an hour or so with the TV. They didn't have a Sammy HLS set there to directly compare with. The Sony was on a HD feed that nothing else was on so it's really hard to know right now. All I know is that the SXRD had a horrible green blob problem and if that was my TV, I'd be irate. It looked like it should be in a dumpster somewhere.


The only fair comparison was the Mits with the JVC 1080p FH6197 (end of '05 model, fairly well reviewed). The JVC was on a HD feed. I watched that TV for a while and then stumbled into the Mits. I had them move the HD feed onto the Mits and I looked a good bit better to me than the JVC.


There is reason to believe that the Mits will have a better picture than the Sammy HLS. The Mits is a 12-bit while the Sammy is a 10 so there is hope that it is better. The other thing is that the Sammy (while can be calibrated really nice according to UMR) has horrible out of box settings. I didn't think the Mits looked nearly as noisy with the default settings than previous viewings of Sammy HLS sets.


I think the picture quality will be good. It has 2 1080p HDMI inputs (and a DVI-I for PCs, the only set that I know of that has this) and I paid less than half the price of a '06 60" Sony SXRD XBR set so I think it's a serious bargain unless it just don't have good quality and breaks (if it does, hopefully it does that within 30 days
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Just checked out the 57" 731 at Ultimate Electronics. I spent 30 minutes comparing it to a 70" Sony Qualia SXRD, and a 61" Samsung HLS-6187. All three of these TV's look very nice running the Mitsu HD feed. The 731 is very bright. Much brighter than the SXRD, and a bit brighter than the already bright Samsung. The SXRD has a bit of a softer picture. This "softness" seems to hide the granularity that you can see in all Microdisplays a bit better than the Samsung and Mitsu. However, it can only be seen if you are standing very close (like 2-3 ft away). They are all very simliar although it seemed that the Samsung had a bit of a sparkles issue. Ive heard this can be calibrated out. Im sold on the Mitsu.

I'm cancelling my powerbuy order for the 6187, and getting the 65" Mitsu 732 when it comes out. Not because the Mitsu blows the samsung away, but I prefer the cabinet of the Mitsu to the Samsung. I really dont thing you can go wrong with any of these sets. Of course, the 70" sony is about 3x the cost at $9999.
 

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Just checked out the 57" 731 at Ultimate Electronics. I spent 30 minutes comparing it to a 70" Sony Qualia SXRD, and a 61" Samsung HLS-6187. All three of these TV's look very nice running the Mitsu HD feed. The 731 is very bright. Much brighter than the SXRD, and a bit brighter than the already bright Samsung. The SXRD has a bit of a softer picture. This "softness" seems to hide the granularity that you can see in all Microdisplays a bit better than the Samsung and Mitsu. However, it can only be seen if you are standing very close (like 2-3 ft away). They are all very simliar although it seemed that the Samsung had a bit of a sparkles issue. Ive heard this can be calibrated out. Im sold on the Mitsu.

I'm cancelling my powerbuy order for the 6187, and getting the 65" Mitsu 732 when it comes out. Not because the Mitsu blows the samsung away, but I prefer the cabinet of the Mitsu to the Samsung. I really dont thing you can go wrong with any of these sets. Of course, the 70" sony is about 3x the cost at $9999.

Now we're rolling along! Glad that someone else has confirmed these sets are lookin' good.
May I ask why you want the 732? I had the store bring up the Internet so I could review the differences in the models (I really wasn't prepared for this purchase, just kind of happened). I didn't see a good reason to wait and pay more for the 732 series. Anyway, just curious.
 

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Conned sales guy to move the JVC branded HD to the WD-57731. WOW! Jaw dropped. Colors were bright and bold, no noise (I have resisted DLP thus far due to noise), no jagged edges. The JVC HD feed was very good, of an street in Italy. Funny to see the JVC logo on the screen while we watched! Anyway, my wife and I were very impressed. I actually was thinking of buying a Sammy today but I really liked this picture better (maybe b/c it's 12-bit?). Also really liked the menu for this set...[/url]

Congratulations phmpharmacist! We're all looking forward to your evaluation.


That's good to hear about the noise. I feel certain that my old Mits DLP-62725 was about on par with the SXRD for noise reduction and hopefully the new models are just as good. Not to mention, I'm sure the Mits' picture is sharper and brighter.


My main hope now is that the Mits has surpassed the SXRD and improved in black levels. And hopefully dark scene detail is close to the SXRD, if so, I'll definitely be wanting the Mits (likely the 65732 model).


i was also surprised to see the standard price of the 57731 being $XXXX rather than the listed MSRP or $3099. One Call listed the $XXXX price and they always list the price as MSRP and to get their price you mouse over the add to cart button. Not to mention, they never list a discount on Mitsubishi products. Hopefully the other models will go down in price too
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Congratulations phmpharmacist! We're all looking forward to your evaluation.


That's good to hear about the noise. I feel certain that my old Mits DLP-62725 was about on par with the SXRD for noise reduction and hopefully the new models are just as good. Not to mention, I'm sure the Mits' picture is sharper and brighter.


My main hope now is that the Mits has surpassed the SXRD and improved in black levels. And hopefully dark scene detail is close to the SXRD, if so, I'll definitely be wanting the Mits (likely the 65732 model).


i was also surprised to see the standard price of the 57731 being $2799 rather than the listed MSRP or $3099. One Call listed the $2799 price and they always list the price as MSRP and to get their price you mouse over the add to cart button. Not to mention, they never list a discount on Mitsubishi products. Hopefully the other models will go down in price too
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Yeah, I think it's going to be a nice set. Like the previous poster, you indicate that you want the 732 series. Any particular reason why?
 

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I wish theywould publish some more specs for it. For example, the contrast ratio is 10,000 to 1 on Samsung HLS. I wonder what it is for the new Mits. Also the wheel speed would be good to know to have a better feel that RBE is not going to be a problem. Samsung lists 14.4K RPM for their wheel. I think it has 1 fewer segmentthough.


any thoughts?
 

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I wish theywould publish some more specs for it. For example, the contrast ratio is 10,000 to 1 on Samsung HLS. I wonder what it is for the new Mits. Also the wheel speed would be good to know to have a better feel that RBE is not going to be a problem. Samsung lists 14.4K RPM for their wheel. I think it has 1 fewer segmentthough.


any thoughts?

Not sure. The specs aren't posted but there is a silver lining, at least when details are released they are accurate. The same can't be said for Samsung (their website info is more often erroneous than accurate it seems).
 

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Not sure. The specs aren't posted but there is a silver lining, at least when details are released they are accurate. The same can't be said for Samsung (their website info is more often erroneous than accurate it seems).

LOL that fer sure. Usually when the avoid stuff disclosing stuff like that though, they are usually not favorable comparisons.
 

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If you want to stress test the set (for RBE), I hear that watching Sin City in a darkened room is a great test. RBE would happen along the borders of extreme contrast (i.e. where black pixels are adjacent to white pixels). It is easier to see if the bright area of the screen is in motion. Please don't try this test if you don't want to learn how to see rainbows, but if you are curious like I am I'd appreciate any feedback you have on it.

I could even see RBE on my Pioneer CMX-503 plasma with Sin City, kind of a brownish tint RBE. Wierd, and totally took me by surprise with a plasma. First and only time I've seen it was with "Sin City".


So take it with a grain of salt if you see RBE with this movie... it's even apparent with a plasma...


Dr. Rings
 

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I could even see RBE on my Pioneer CMX-503 plasma with Sin City, kind of a brownish tint RBE. Wierd, and totally took me by surprise with a plasma. First and only time I've seen it was with "Sin City".


So take it with a grain of salt if you see RBE with this movie... it's even apparent with a plasma...


Dr. Rings

That's pretty weird... but that's not the first time I have heard that. What should I rent to check the black levels/detail?
 

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Congrats on the TV purchase. I hope tomorrow I can finally decide between the Mitsu and Sammy. Good Luck and looking forward to your view on this display.
 

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Well all the HDTV sets suck for SD so I'm not optimistic but really, I have no idea. The store standard feed was probably the worst I have ever seen. I bought based on the HD drive feed hooked up via HDMI. It was actually pulled off of the JVC 1080 FH6197 (?) set and it looked a lot better to me than the JVC set.

Agree, but Mits is marketing new "4D video noise reduction" technology so I think (hope) that should make some kind of difference.
 

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Agree, but Mits is marketing new "4D video noise reduction" technology so I think (hope) that should make some kind of difference.

Maybe it does make a difference outside of the store environment but the set didn't look any better than anything else on the bad store feed. This was the worst store feed I have ever seen so keep that in mind...
 
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